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Depths

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did that and I had to scroll down quite far to find porn. If your search results immediately start showing you hardcore porn, maybe there's something wrong with your google searching behaviour. I recommend using private browsing if you google for porn in the future.

I did a search on google in a private window...what are you getting at?

My point is that the kink is tied to the fandom. There's a reason so many here bring it up. Keep it up with your not so subtle jabs at me though.

"Sexual attraction to furry characters is a polarizing issue met with vehement opposition within the fandom; in one survey with 4300 furry respondents, 37% answered that sexual attraction is important in their furry activities, 38% were ambivalent, and 24% answered that it has little or nothing to do with their furry activities.[40]"
 

Virtu Al

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would argue anime is worse because it's an industry that lacks the ability to self-reflect because the dregs are the ones keeping it financially afloat at this point. The corporately-produced fan service and infantilization of women up to and including professionally-produced cartoon porn of human children, along with the fervent defense and normalization of this kind of fan service in the anime (and by extension gaming) communities on the disingenuous basis of "artistic integrity!!!" makes it a far more uncomfortable fandom to associate myself with. Like, surely it has to be having some effect on the views of women and their media representation of the people that indulge in it to any significant degree. I find all of that more disturbing and frustrating than some guy at home doodling dragon porn within a very specific online subculture, whose work isn't being given any kind of widespread media attention or blessing by the likes of Disney or something.

Oh hey, you kinda nailed my problem with modern anime!

I love animation in general, including anime, but yes, this is defenitely a problem that didn't get better in recent years.

I think japanese writers and artists have this insane creative drive and potential that let them make even the craziest concepts an interesting one, but when they happen to force heavy fanservice in them just to cater to the horny desires of their audience, everything falls apart.

mind you, not every anime is like this, but I saw so many potentially great shows being ruined by this. The latest example being Darling in the Franxx, the only super robot show we got in years and they flunked everything good it had going with a certain "horny choice" in the design department.

I think artists drawing adult, kinky art in private, human or furry, shouldn't be shamed, as that is a way of venting and expression as well. Heck, I'm ok with sensuality used in animation, when executed well it can really be interesting. But there has to be a limit, otherwise it's just porn disguised as a show for general audiences.

Sorry for the OT post!
 

Red Arremer

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
12,259
I did a search on google in a private window...what are you getting at?

My point is that the kink is tied to the fandom. There's a reason so many here bring it up. Keep it up with your not so subtle jabs at me though.

"Sexual attraction to furry characters is a polarizing issue met with vehement opposition within the fandom; in one survey with 4300 furry respondents, 37% answered that sexual attraction is important in their furry activities, 38% were ambivalent, and 24% answered that it has little or nothing to do with their furry activities.[40]"

Oh thanks for a wikipedia quote.
Nobody among the furries here is denying that there is sexual aspects to the fandom, at all. You are the one who keeps trying tell us that we should get off to it and makes sweeping generalizations.

You'll also find that in your quote roughly 2/3 of the surveyed furries didn't care or said that sex has nothing to do with their activities. That's quite a majority for something that's "only a kink", and definitely not a community.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I think it's super weird but I'm not gonna kinkshame. As long as it's consensual, they can do whatever they want. Still creeps me out though so yeah...
 

Kito

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Nov 6, 2017
3,157
I'm of the opinion that many Furries, Bronies, etc., may not be in those camps because they legitimately affiliate with the culture, but rather because they're looking for a warm, welcoming community that doesn't judge or discriminate.

I have a friend who is on the spectrum, and became a Brony not because he loved MLP, but because it's one of the few communities comprised by people he meshes with, many also being on the spectrum. He pretty much forced a love for MLP on himself just to "get in," if you will.
 
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Nepenthe

When the music hits, you feel no pain.
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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh hey, you kinda nailed my problem with modern anime!

I love animation in general, including anime, but yes, this is defenitely a problem that didn't get better in recent years.

I think japanese writers and artists have this insane creative drive and potential that let them make even the craziest concepts an interesting one, but when they happen to force heavy fanservice in them just to cater to the horny desires of their audience, everything falls apart.

mind you, not every anime is like this, but I saw so many potentially great shows being ruined by this. The latest example being Darling in the Franxx, the only super robot show we got in years and they flunked everything good it had going with a certain "horny choice" in the design department.

I think artists drawing adult, kinky art in private, human or furry, shouldn't be shamed, as that is a way of venting and expression as well. Heck, I'm ok with sensuality used in animation, when executed well it can really be interesting. But there has to be a limit, otherwise it's just porn disguised as a show for general audiences.

Sorry for the OT post!
I agree! I got into anime because it was the first subgenre of animation that introduced me to the idea that animation wasn't just for children, that it was a medium with as much potential- if not more so- as live action to explore interesting ideas, hobbies, and concepts regarding the human condition in ways that were only limited by the imagination. I know there's anime out there that doesn't succumb to the whims of fanservice, as it's the stuff I seek out. But the more the genre gets commodified, the more it becomes subject to the whims of consumers willing to pay the most for it, and the people who pay the most for it apparently get off on big eyed women who look like minors. I don't blame the artists, really. You do what you gotta do to survive (and they're barely surviving, which is another moral issue for another time). I blame the fandom for getting us to this point of this moe/loli/light novel/"oh look I tripped and ended up in this sexually compromising position, I'm so clumsy" bullshit. I blame the fandom for being so inhospitable to the critiques from women and for dressing up the low-brow smut as a noble expression of artistic integrity. Anime just pisses me off for how it and the fandom around it have evolved since I've known about it.

But yeah, fursuits are super creepy.
 

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You'd honestly be surprised at how 1) totally chill the average fursuiter is and 2) how completely normal most of us are

Also we throw legendarily good parties that make the average college beer pong get-together look like a mormon church service.

I'm sure. I'm not trying to put anyone on the defensive. How "normal" is tailgating? It's socially accepted but standing out in the cold, at 9 am, pounding miller lights? Its normal to do wacky things.

Honestly just not comfortable with the attention that cosplaying and fursuites come with. Where ever there are large gatherings of people, I stick to the edge of the room and escape to be with myself once every few hours.
 

RM8

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Oct 28, 2017
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I don't think of it as wrong or harmful, that should go without saying. But I'm sure it'll always be super weird to me.
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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While we're on the subject of fursuits, I guess I should post mine. Now, maybe my perception is completely off, but I don't think it's very creepy.

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vs what I look like irl:

 

Van Bur3n

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Oct 27, 2017
26,089
I would argue anime is worse because it's an industry that lacks the ability to self-reflect because the dregs are the ones keeping it financially afloat at this point. The corporately-produced fan service and infantilization of women up to and including professionally-produced cartoon porn of human children, along with the fervent defense and normalization of this kind of fan service in the anime (and by extension gaming) communities on the disingenuous basis of "artistic integrity!!!" makes it a far more uncomfortable fandom to associate myself with. Like, surely it has to be having some effect on the views of women and their media representation of the people that indulge in it to any significant degree. I find all of that more disturbing and frustrating than some guy at home doodling dragon porn within a very specific online subculture, whose work isn't being given any kind of widespread media attention or blessing by the likes of Disney or something.

Despite finding furry stuff weird, I have to agree with this. A lot worse have sprouted from anime. Especially in regards to how much it can warp the minds of those who overly indulge in it.
 

MrKlaw

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Oct 25, 2017
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is it really any different from people liking dressing in up latex from head to toe and being led around on a leash? Or getting off on auto asphyxiation?

Are they looked down on because of an assumption of an association with a particular group or the less socially skilled? Is a smart banker less weird for dressing up like a French Maid and being spanked just because he might be more socially outgoing?
 

Relix

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, it's their life. They can do whatever they want and if they aren't harming anybody and enjoying themselves then... Perfect. Enjoy the ride! Still, Weird as fuck though, weird enough that I wouldn't want to be associated with anyone like that. Just creeps me out a bit.
 

Camwi

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Oct 27, 2017
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It has always seemed to have a sexual or kink aspect to it. People are saying "oh yeah, but that's every fandom." That isn't really true as you have to go out of your way to find that stuff.

The first time I encountered a furry irl probably had a big effect on my view of them too. I went to a boardgame night at some dudes house with a friend. When I excused myself to the bathroom I opened the wrong door. Good lord was I unprepared for the sight. Someone in a wolf outfit dressed like a 90's Saved by the Bell character. Holy hell though, he was going to town on that other squirrel/rabbit/idk I got out the fuck out of there.
That sounds hilarious.
 

Doorman

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Oct 25, 2017
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Eh, humans ascribing human-like qualities to animals (or animal-like qualities to humans) is something that's existed within culture for as long as we've known culture to exist. It's commonplace in storytelling, children's shows, tons of mythologies from world history, video games and everywhere else. To that extent, the "modern furries" may seem odd but it's hardly some new or outlandish idea. We've all grown up with various examples of it already, just now like many niche interests, the internet has made it easier to share and spread and actually talk about all this stuff.

As for the sexual side of it, eh. Some folks are into bondage, or feet, or giants, or knowingly getting cheated on, or cutting, or cars, or getting peed on, or pretending to be a baby, or all of the above and more. There's no end to the kinds of things that become kinks, so if it doesn't hurt anyone I don't think there's much room to judge. I certainly can't, given some of how my own other interests have turned out.
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
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That sounds hilarious.

I mean, we shouldn't joke about their experience, after all it traumatized them so much that they feel the need to go to an online forum and try to tell people that they're all sexual deviants, and their rich and colourful community is mainly sexual, because they observed costumed people fucking in a toilet by accident.

And of course they take offense when they're told that maybe THEY are a sexual deviant (as jest), but hey, hypocrisy is great, right?
 

Depths

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oh thanks for a wikipedia quote.
Nobody among the furries here is denying that there is sexual aspects to the fandom, at all. You are the one who keeps trying tell us that we should get off to it and makes sweeping generalizations.

You'll also find that in your quote roughly 2/3 of the surveyed furries didn't care or said that sex has nothing to do with their activities. That's quite a majority for something that's "only a kink", and definitely not a community.

I'm saying there is a reason so many people here are bringing up the kink aspect of it, because it is a major aspect. I'm not shaming it or anything, it's just a fact. You're into what you're into. I've also never said furries are deviants or insulted them.

"A survey at Furry Fiesta 2013 found that 96.3 percent of male respondents and 78.3 percent of female ones reported viewing furry pornography (which, it should be noted, is a broad category and typically quite similar to regular porn albeit with furry traits added); men reported looking at furry porn 41.5 times per month on average, while women reported looking 10.5 times per month."
 

Gundam

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Oct 25, 2017
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For me personally, they've been harmless.

However, I don't know that I'd hang around a group of them, and I'd almost certainly avoid places where there might be a convention of them.
Of the ones I know personally, they tend to have... Not as much social awareness, I guess? It's cool that they can be confident enough to do what they do in public, but sometimes that confidence is a tad overbearing.
It's stereotypical, of course, but of the ones I know personally, hygiene, sexism, and racism all seem to be an issue, which I find ironic, seeing how in many circles it seems to be a sexual fetish thing that you'd expect to be pretty inclusive.
 

Dream Machine

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Oct 25, 2017
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I would argue anime is worse because it's an industry that lacks the ability to self-reflect because the dregs are the ones keeping it financially afloat at this point. The corporately-produced fan service and infantilization of women up to and including professionally-produced cartoon porn of human children, along with the fervent defense and normalization of this kind of fan service in the anime (and by extension gaming) communities on the disingenuous basis of "artistic integrity!!!" makes it a far more uncomfortable fandom to associate myself with. Like, surely it has to be having some effect on the views of women and their media representation of the people that indulge in it to any significant degree. I find all of that more disturbing and frustrating than some guy at home doodling dragon porn within a very specific online subculture, whose work isn't being given any kind of widespread media attention or blessing by the likes of Disney or something.
I'm interested to see if Netflix financing more anime will sway the pendulum away from having to pander as much. It's pretty easy for me to watch a few anime shows and some movies in a year without having to deal with creepy fan service already, though.

At the same time there is something like Devilman Crybaby which has sex and violence in it that doesn't feel like creepy fan service to me, and having cartoons that are okay with depicting sexuality and violence is a good thing in my opinion, so it's really more of an issue with appropriateness for the show and depiction that's the problem.
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm saying there is a reason so many people here are bringing up the kink aspect of it, because it is a major aspect. I'm not shaming it or anything, it's just a fact. You're into what you're into.

"A survey at Furry Fiesta 2013 found that 96.3 percent of male respondents and 78.3 percent of female ones reported viewing furry pornography (which, it should be noted, is a broad category and typically quite similar to regular porn albeit with furry traits added); men reported looking at furry porn 41.5 times per month on average, while women reported looking 10.5 times per month."

Yes, and nobody is denying that there's a sex aspect to it.
However, the point you were trying to make - and I can quote it again for you if you really want me to - is that it's much more prevalent among furries than it is in any other community, and that it's literally impossible to not see the hardcore porn.

But guess what? I have a very easy time not seeing the porn if I don't want to. You know what I have a really hard time with, though? Trying to look into discussions about anime, or find anime recommendations, without having people with creepy ass avatars talk about waifus and tell me how nice the fan service in that particular anime is, and it eventually degrades to posting pictures of girls that look very borderline underage at best, and comparing them.
I've been turned off of anime for nearly 10 years now because of the community surrounding it.
 

Akronis

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Yes, and nobody is denying that there's a sex aspect to it.
However, the point you were trying to make - and I can quote it again for you if you really want me to - is that it's much more prevalent among furries than it is in any other community, and that it's literally impossible to not see the hardcore porn.

But guess what? I have a very easy time not seeing the porn if I don't want to. You know what I have a really hard time with, though? Trying to look into discussions about anime, or find anime recommendations, without having people with creepy ass avatars talk about waifus and tell me how nice the fan service in that particular anime is, and it eventually degrades to posting pictures of girls that look very borderline underage at best, and comparing them.

let's not turn this into anime vs. furry please

both have shitty aspects, as all communities do
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
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let's not turn this into anime vs. furry please

both have shitty aspects, as all communities do

I don't give a shit about what anime fans are into. My point is that the claim that furries are SO MUCH MORE sexual than ANY OTHER community, and there's literally no way to avoid the porn is what I have an issue with, because it's simply not true.
 

Akronis

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I don't give a shit about what anime fans are into. My point is that the claim that furries are SO MUCH MORE sexual than ANY OTHER community, and there's literally no way to avoid the porn is what I have an issue with, because it's simply not true.

Then I agree with you. Just don't want this thread to turn into fandom wars.
 

Valkyr

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think what gets me about furries is that most(?) people who are into it seem to define themselves as a person around being a furry. It's not simply a fandom but a lifestyle. I think that's where it starts getting weird to me. I mean, I like wrestling but if someone tells me wrestling is stupid, it doesn't offend me on a personal level. I don't define myself as a person around 1 hobby or interest. When people start doing that for ANY hobby, I think it can be unhealthy and strange.
 

Cyanity

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think what gets me about furries is that most(?) people who are into it seem to define themselves as a person around being a furry. It's not simply a fandom but a lifestyle. I think that's where it starts getting weird to me. I mean, I like wrestling but if someone tells me wrestling is stupid, it doesn't offend me on a personal level. I don't define myself as a person around 1 hobby or interest. When people start doing that for ANY hobby, I think it can be unhealthy and strange.

I definitely consider myself to be an engineering student before a furry. And uh, I think most of my local friends in the fandom don't primarily define themselves by their involvement in the fandom either.

Not that any of this matters in the long run. Because most furries also don't take the fandom super seriously...or at least not as seriously as outsiders looking in might think. It's all in good fun, overall.
 

Depths

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't give a shit about what anime fans are into. My point is that the claim that furries are SO MUCH MORE sexual than ANY OTHER community, and there's literally no way to avoid the porn is what I have an issue with, because it's simply not true.

I mean I posted a survey showing that 96% of male furries view furry porn. Also, please don't accuse me of calling people deviants. I never did that. You kind of accused me of being one in your post above but it's cool. I probably have kinks others would not be into.

Not interested in the anime topic as that's a whole 'nother can of worms and the medium is so varied I'd rather not get into it. It's also not the topic of this thread.
 

Nepenthe

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I don't mean to turn the thread into a fandom war, and I apologize for my part in the derailment in that regard. However, I think it's helpful when responding to people who have an automatic reversion to Furries to point out that there's similar behavior within the communities they probably belong to as a result of simply being on a gaming forum to illustrate the point that the only real difference between different nerd subcultures in regards to problematic behavior or sexual deviancy has simply been the arbitrary normalization of certain subcultures over others, which subsequently devalues the act of self-policing or addressing these issues.
 

Akronis

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I mean I posted a survey showing that shows 96% of male furries view furry porn. Also, please don't accuse me of calling people deviants. I never did that. You kind of accused me being one in your post above but it's cool. I probably have kinks others would not be into.

Not interested in the anime topic as that's a whole 'nother can of worms and the medium is so varied I'd rather not get into it. It's also not the topic of this thread.

At this point, why does it even matter? People look at porn they like, who gives a shit?

It honestly just feels like you're trying to prove a point that no one else really cares about. Who cares if a portion of the community are in it for the NSFW art?
 
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I definitely consider myself to be an engineering student before a furry. And uh, I think most of my local friends in the fandom don't primarily define themselves by their involvement in the fandom either.

Same. Most folks who know me see me as "That nerd who works as a gym instructor" and very few folks know I'm part of the fandom outside of a small handful of close friends. My interest and involvement in furry shit is more of an aside than the core of who I am. Having your whole identity and life revolve around a fandom is just plain unhealthy.
 

Akronis

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I don't give a shit what porn you get off too. I'm just stating my point if you were following the discussion.

It's just getting tiring. No shit part of the community is in it for the kink. Who cares?

I'm just not sure what point you're trying to make here.
 

a stray cat

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Nov 13, 2017
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I mean I posted a survey showing that 96% of male furries view furry porn. Also, please don't accuse me of calling people deviants. I never did that. You kind of accused me of being one in your post above but it's cool. I probably have kinks others would not be into.

Not interested in the anime topic as that's a whole 'nother can of worms and the medium is so varied I'd rather not get into it. It's also not the topic of this thread.
I do wonder what the global norm is for males viewing porn. It can't be that much lower.

Edit: my google-fu seems to be weak, I can only find bible thumping anti porn sites when I look for this statistic lol.
 

Red Arremer

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean I posted a survey showing that shows 96% of male furries view furry porn. Also, please don't accuse me of calling people deviants. I never did that. You kind of accused me being one in your post above but it's cool. I probably have kinks others would not be into.

Not interested in the anime topic as that's a whole 'nother can of worms and the medium is so varied I'd rather not get into it. It's also not the topic of this thread.

96% males out of 455 people surveyed at a furry convention with an attendance of less than 1500 people.
Also, if you cared to, you know, look at the actual survey report, you'll find this statistic and even a handy interpretation for you:
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The definition of "looking at pornography" also is extremely loose. Is it specifically seeking it out, or is it following artists on furaffinity that also post pornographic artwork? What constitutes as pornography? Does erotic art or poses count, even though there's no explicit content?
 

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No problems with them at all. In fact, they seem like a pretty damn cool group of people, and I wish them the best. ;) But then again, I might be a bit biased there~

But like... it's weird for me. I go back and forth on whether I'd actually consider myself a furry or not, since I'm not really involved in the community anyway whatsoever. Like, not only do I not go to conventions or anything, but I don't even follow any artists or anything. So it feels weird to describe myself that way, even though I would love to go to conventions and have my own suit commissioned (probably something based around a Pokemon like Krokorok or Tyrantrum in my case, if that type of thing actually counts, hahaha xD). Just seems like a bunch of fun to me, really, so I'd love to get involved, someday. But for the time being at least, I'm not really involved in any way whatsoever, so it feels weird to actually describe myself that way.

But yeah, that aside, absolutely no problems with them and it just saddens me how many misconceptions there seem to be around the entire idea and how convinced so many people seem to be that the whole thing is just one giant fetish or all about sex, when the reality is that that's really just a small part of it. I mean, I'm sure it happens. Ain't going to deny that. It definitely does, and there's nothing wrong with that. But that's far from the main focus or appeal for most people, and is not much different from any other conventions in that type of way: it happens, but not really more or less than anywhere else or in any other type of community.

Just from what I've gathered just by listening to those who are involved, furry conventions and the like really don't sound that much different from stuff like say PAX or whatever--just a bunch of people hanging out who happen to have some interests in common, with some in costume, but most not due to the cost/difficulty of a good suit which is naturally going to be out of reach for most people (same with the most intricate and detailed cosplays in video game and anime conventions--most people don't actually go to conventions like PAX in full cosplay and of those that due, those with fully decked out costumes that have the most work put into them are in the minority due to how expensive and time consuming those are to make. Most people are just there to hang out.

And I mean, I can't blame people for being ignorant of that. But it does make me wonder how those stereotypes of everything involving furries somehow involving sex or fetishes got started to begin with. That, and it's one thing to be mistaken about things you genuinely have no clue about. But if you genuinely have no idea about something or some community or another, wouldn't that be reason to ask questions instead of assuming the worst about them all just being weird perverts with some weird fetish and having terrible social skills, and the like. That's what I really don't get. If people don't know anything. That's fine, you don't know what you don't know. But why assume the worst anyway in that case instead of trying to find out what the deal is exactly and do your best to try to come into the discussion with as little baggage as possible? That's what always just kind of bothers me about these discussions. I know most people probably don't actually mean to much by it, and I want to assume the best of their intentions and that it really is just due to having no idea what is and is not true, but still.

In any case, either way, yeah, no problems here and I wish anyone who considers themselves to be one the absolute best. ^__^
I think what gets me about furries is that most(?) people who are into it seem to define themselves as a person around being a furry. It's not simply a fandom but a lifestyle. I think that's where it starts getting weird to me. I mean, I like wrestling but if someone tells me wrestling is stupid, it doesn't offend me on a personal level. I don't define myself as a person around 1 hobby or interest. When people start doing that for ANY hobby, I think it can be unhealthy and strange.
Yeah, I don't think that's very accurate at all. It's really, really not a lifestyle for most furries at all. Just a fun hobby to indulge in at times, at that's all. It no more defines them than video games define gamers, anime defines anime fans, or any other form of entertainment. It's just a hobby for most, that's all. Those who that thoroughly and completely define themselves by it are definitely in the minority, like any other hobby.

While we're on the subject of fursuits, I guess I should post mine. Now, maybe my perception is completely off, but I don't think it's very creepy.

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vs what I look like irl:


Just wanted to say, your suit looks great. Really like it. ^_^
 

Valkyr

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Yeah, I don't think that's very accurate at all. It's really, really not a lifestyle for most furries at all. Just a fun hobby to indulge in at times, at that's all. It no more defines them than video games define gamers, anime defines anime fans, or any other form of entertainment. It's just a hobby for most, that's all. Those who that thoroughly and completely define themselves by it are definitely in the minority, like any other hobby.

Fair enough. My view is admittedly colored by the fact that my only exposure to it is from the internet.
 
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