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So what's up with people in the Star Wars universe not knowing about the Jedi or the Force or thinking it's stuff of legends when they should know?
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Why would people believe stories about a religion? They got space travel ain't no one got time for myths
Eeeeh. This is a larger problem than that.
Lucas' idea were that the Jedi went mostly extinct like 40 years ago which isn't that much of an improvement on 20 years ago.
Realistically they would have known about midichlorians, why on earth hasn't this been mentioned yet? It's the science behind the force
When would midichlorians have come up in the OT? If anything though, they were probably a well kept secret used to recruit into the Inquisitorius and Project Harvester.
Just like how half the people in the real world seem to be dumb/ignorant of most things.
Look at the US, you have millions that think that Trump sexually assaulting women, or that he doesn't actually have christian values, or that he bragged about abusing women in his pageants, or that he slept with porn stars, or that he refused to pay immigrants that worked on his building and then threatened to deport them and was sued by them, is all "FAKE NEWS" or "myths". They literally believe it's all completely false and/or made up.
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Star Wars isn't poorly written or not believable in this case...it's 100% accurate.
Look at the US, you have millions that think that Trump sexually assaulting women, or that he doesn't actually have christian values, or that he bragged about abusing women in his pageants, or that he slept with porn stars, or that he refused to pay immigrants that worked on his building and then threatened to deport them and was sued by them, is all "FAKE NEWS" or "myths". They literally believe it's all completely false and/or made up.
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Star Wars isn't poorly written or not believable in this case...it's 100% accurate.
Forget that, Sabine and Rebels including the Jedi Kanan and Ezra helped them like a year before ANH. It's ridiculous. Their most treasured idol is a lightsaber.
Does the SW galaxy even have a tv network, news channel etc?
I've probably missed it but it seems like a disconnected vast galaxy.
I've probably missed it but it seems like a disconnected vast galaxy.
Also just because people knew who the Jedi were doesn't mean they understood what the Force was and what it could do.
Using the force doesn't make you a Jedi. So people could even know what the Force was in essence but not know that it was part of the Jedi religion.
So even if they had heard the name Jedi in a historical sense a person might not connect "lifting a rhino with magic" to Jedi....
Using the force doesn't make you a Jedi. So people could even know what the Force was in essence but not know that it was part of the Jedi religion.
So even if they had heard the name Jedi in a historical sense a person might not connect "lifting a rhino with magic" to Jedi....
Ok, so I get people logically explaining that because there were so few Jedi in the galaxy and how limited their presence really was, it would make sense for there to be large swathes of the galaxy to not know what Jedi are or their abilities.
But, like, in any of the prequel material (movies, shows, comics) haven't we seen Jedi go to plenty of backwater planets in the Outer Rim and they are basically always recognized for what they are? I can't really recall any examples in the prequel era where Jedi are involved and the beings they meet are either incredulous or completely ignorant of the existence of the Jedi. Anakin, a slave, and his Toydarian slaver on a backwater planet where Republic credits are't universally recognized as meaningful currency were well aware of the Jedi and what they could do.
For the argument to work, that the Jedi were small enough to not be universally known, we should see numerous examples in places like the Outer Rim where the Jedi in prequel material aren't recognized by the people they are working with or fighting, especially afaik most of the galactic civil war fighting took place in the Outer Rim. I'm not sure if that's the case. Maybe in the comics or later seasons of the Clone Wars series?
But, like, in any of the prequel material (movies, shows, comics) haven't we seen Jedi go to plenty of backwater planets in the Outer Rim and they are basically always recognized for what they are? I can't really recall any examples in the prequel era where Jedi are involved and the beings they meet are either incredulous or completely ignorant of the existence of the Jedi. Anakin, a slave, and his Toydarian slaver on a backwater planet where Republic credits are't universally recognized as meaningful currency were well aware of the Jedi and what they could do.
For the argument to work, that the Jedi were small enough to not be universally known, we should see numerous examples in places like the Outer Rim where the Jedi in prequel material aren't recognized by the people they are working with or fighting, especially afaik most of the galactic civil war fighting took place in the Outer Rim. I'm not sure if that's the case. Maybe in the comics or later seasons of the Clone Wars series?
Yep. I like the Mandalorian a lot, but it's particularly bad about conveying the scale of the galaxy. 1 planet=1 biome/city/village, with travel between planets seeming like it's a 10 minute drive to the store
So much this. On one hand, everyone is related and reunited by accident. Even how rey and han just happen to meet in outer space.
On the otherhand, no one knows about the Jedis, because it happened so far away
That seems to be the exact scale of the Star Wars galaxy based on every single movie that has been made in Star Wars.
People try to rationalize it, but even those attempts are pretty shaky with the information that the movies present to us.
really it's a dumb thing but doesn't bother me much at all though I do agree with those who say it's particularly hard to ignore when it comes to the Mandalorian.
really it's a dumb thing but doesn't bother me much at all though I do agree with those who say it's particularly hard to ignore when it comes to the Mandalorian.
lol a part of me likes to think this is by design, because any planet with more than 100 people gets blown up by a fucking Death Star.
"Spread yourselves thin so the latest Death Star doesn't kill us all!!"
I'd say yes but i wouldn't be sure if it's something thats wide spread. The bar on Coruscant in AoTC had tv screens, one of which was showing a sports game and i think another was showing pod racing too? Could be misremembering.
Literally the most widespread exploration of a planet in Star Wars is probably Naboo.
You had the gungan area and the human area
"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before the Empire."
"Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort—"
"The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion"
"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny."
Not much need for the Empire to "hunt down" the Jedi if they're all in a temple on Coruscant. And apparently Han didn't fly there? The Jedi should have been an unofficial band of nomadic heroes, spread few and far between in the immediate years before the Empire. Not a bureaucratic, magical police force entrenched in all the galaxy's affairs. No official monk uniform, youngling training school or mandated lightsaber. That way, it would be easy to imagine them becoming forgotten or regarded as mythical just a few decades later.
"Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort—"
"The Jedi are extinct, their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion"
"Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny."
Not much need for the Empire to "hunt down" the Jedi if they're all in a temple on Coruscant. And apparently Han didn't fly there? The Jedi should have been an unofficial band of nomadic heroes, spread few and far between in the immediate years before the Empire. Not a bureaucratic, magical police force entrenched in all the galaxy's affairs. No official monk uniform, youngling training school or mandated lightsaber. That way, it would be easy to imagine them becoming forgotten or regarded as mythical just a few decades later.
I mean, A. The Empire worked to erase all knowledge and mention of the Jedi, and even if they were part of the government, it's not like they were so commonly seen using the Force and Lightsabers and shit out in public except on wartorn battlefields in the Clone Wars.
B. The Force is literally magic. There's nothing like it in the universe and aside from Force Lightning, you can't see it.
Honestly, given Point A, between the destruction and erasure of any mention of the Jedi, and the fact that it's not like they just used the Force all the fucking time in public, and then taking into account that it's something you can't even really see, is it all that strange that many people of the galaxy have trouble believing in these space wizards that can choke people to death with unseen magic and can influence thoughts and actions of the weak willed? Maybe during the Clone Wars, but certainly not by the time the Sequel Trilogy occurs.
B. The Force is literally magic. There's nothing like it in the universe and aside from Force Lightning, you can't see it.
Honestly, given Point A, between the destruction and erasure of any mention of the Jedi, and the fact that it's not like they just used the Force all the fucking time in public, and then taking into account that it's something you can't even really see, is it all that strange that many people of the galaxy have trouble believing in these space wizards that can choke people to death with unseen magic and can influence thoughts and actions of the weak willed? Maybe during the Clone Wars, but certainly not by the time the Sequel Trilogy occurs.
It makes sense in TFA, since there is an entire generation or more that never grew up with Jedi.
In A New Hope it feels like a major continuity error. The generals on the death star and Han Solo being skeptical of the force even existing, coming so soon after ROTJ, in which they all would have been alive and been adults is a timeline error the prequels introduced.
In A New Hope it feels like a major continuity error. The generals on the death star and Han Solo being skeptical of the force even existing, coming so soon after ROTJ, in which they all would have been alive and been adults is a timeline error the prequels introduced.
We as the viewer see Jedi all the time. In-universe they're just a small cult of weirdos who take way too long to decide anything and you wouldn't really see any of them ever as a normal SW citizen. Why would they care about the Jedi when there's lasers and other planets out there?
I chalk it up to years of Imperial propaganda to erase and discredit anything related to the Force or the Jedi.
Most Americans probably can't pick China out on a map
People believe all sorts of bullshit like Jesus Christ being a white man because of propaganda
of all the things in Star Wars that are stupid, this isn't one
People believe all sorts of bullshit like Jesus Christ being a white man because of propaganda
of all the things in Star Wars that are stupid, this isn't one
I'd assume the Emperor had a lot of it scrubbed, and it could easily account for why Jedi were seen as legends or myth. Mandalorian is tougher for me.
Seeing as how the Dark Saber pops up at the end of the season, Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons showed that it had major cultural influence on it's people, and they knew it came from the first Mandalorian Jedi.
Also the myth is told in pieces so it's not surprising there are holes.
I've always seen it as a matter of numbers - the Jedi Order comprises about 10,000 members around the time of The Phantom Menace. The number of inhabited systems in the galaxy in Star Wars is 50 million. Them being prominent generals in the Clone Wars messes with that a bit but the numbers still make sense. A lot of Jedi died during the Clone Wars so it follows that their appearances would be very rare and passed down as only half-believed stories. By the time of Han Solo and his skepticism the Jedi have been gone for decades and survive in the minds of the general population throughout the entire galaxy as mythical figures able to perform superhuman feats that nobody else has been able to since. It makes sense that they'd pass into legends.
Basically the Jedi and Sith are like ghost stories, everyone gets to hear a bunch growing up but they don't believe it because come on....stories. There's no basis in reality to believe in such things, unless you see or experience something for yourself.
Once again, I'll stress that you shouldn't think too hard about Star Wars. It's sci fi but it operates like a fantasy (Lord of the Rings) universe. No one is nitpicking the finer details of magic in those genres.
Stop treating Star Wars likes its some kind of hard sci fi like Star Trek. It's a mythical fantasy story dressed up in sci fi. Thats what makes the universe Lucas created so cool.
Stop treating Star Wars likes its some kind of hard sci fi like Star Trek. It's a mythical fantasy story dressed up in sci fi. Thats what makes the universe Lucas created so cool.
Even when the Jedi were alive, their abilities were just rumored or talked about.
I recall in the cartoons they mention a rumor about how one Jedi is equal in strength to thousands of warriors. Yoda trying to win someone over goes in with a small group of clones. And they decimated the droid army proving the Jedi's strength.
Jedi were the equivalent of hearing rumors of a knights tale. And the moment they died, those rumors became legends then myths.
I recall in the cartoons they mention a rumor about how one Jedi is equal in strength to thousands of warriors. Yoda trying to win someone over goes in with a small group of clones. And they decimated the droid army proving the Jedi's strength.
Jedi were the equivalent of hearing rumors of a knights tale. And the moment they died, those rumors became legends then myths.
You talked about how it was stupid in Rogue One. That's not an argument either unless you mean to say that since the first DS did not have a shield, no planet ever should, and that is not a realistic option since we know that shields exist in this universe. Planetary shields are much more important than ones for a mobile battle station though, because you cannot hyperjump out of a losing battle with a planet, so it makes sense that there is a priority to protect planets.
Again, these records were destroyed and/or replaced by propaganda. On to one of that, exactly WHO would Ben recording these events outside of the jedi order? The clone wars was fought between clones and droids. The masterminds of the droids were assassinated.
Even if they don't know a lot about the involvement in the Clone Wars, the most important treasure of Mandalore is a lightsaber that belonged to a Jedi. Did they forget that too the ten years between Rebels and The Mandalorian? The lightsaber was also in the posession of member of Death Watch for a long time.
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Why haven't Resitsnce used droids to fly ships into the Empire/First Order?
Why was this only done in The Last Jedi?
Seems like something someone would have tried decades ago, in that galaxy.
Why was this only done in The Last Jedi?
Seems like something someone would have tried decades ago, in that galaxy.
The kid was a foundling and too young to know any of this, and when Bo got it we don't know for how long and was no longer part of the DW which had long disbanded before the GCW. The Mandalorian likely knows of the darksaber, but it's significance had to be explained to the others in Rebels as well of how it related to the Jedi. Mando was a child and young during the purge likely and their culture is fractured. The saber itself likely lost
Most Americans didn't know about Black Wall Street within a few decades.
Well Luke was the only known Jedi not in hiding around the time of RoTJ so them not knowing about it in Mandalorian makes sense.
People may have heard of Luke the pilot and leader, but not Luke the jedi.
You also have to understand that the empire systematically tried to erase all knowledge of jedi and existence of Force. I mean they didn't even know that the emperor was ex Senator Palpatine, and few had even seen what he looked like. Which is so fuckin silly when you think of it !!
People may have heard of Luke the pilot and leader, but not Luke the jedi.
You also have to understand that the empire systematically tried to erase all knowledge of jedi and existence of Force. I mean they didn't even know that the emperor was ex Senator Palpatine, and few had even seen what he looked like. Which is so fuckin silly when you think of it !!
In the prequels people are ooOoo and ahhhh by the Jedi. Just the way they talk about them is in an almost legendary manner or mystical, but few have ever seen the force. This is shown many times in the Clone Wars as well with people being amazed at the force, doubting the jedi, acting like they are stuff of stories. This is at the height of the Jedi.
Nearly 30 years post a purge when they are all dead and you expect ppl everywhere to know them?
Nearly 30 years post a purge when they are all dead and you expect ppl everywhere to know them?
Jedi were the main peacekeeping force of the republic though.
Horrible comparison; that was one (of many similar) event, not an entire force of people that policed thousands of planets for centuries, while taking part in many events at least as large as the Tulsa race riots.
Also, they have the ability to transmit information across space and time nearly instantaneously.
I'm not going.
50 million planets with their own cultures, news, histories, and events within their own sphere. Imagine your social media and news channels somehow covering the events to encompass a universe of that many planets?
People on earth can't even be bothered to keep up with whats going on in their own cities.
And space twitter, I wonder what Sheev's tweets would be like...
We're going to build an army and the Trade Federation will pay for it
The Jedi, my best friends, attacked me in my office. SAD.
We're a going to build a second Death Star and the Ewoks will...
...Nevermind.
Exactly. We see the Jedi assisting on a TON of planets in TCW and I can't recall a time when the locals didn't know what a Jedi was or displayed genuine shock at their abilities. And some of these planets are complete backwaters.
It's one of the worst bits of world building in the saga and I think it would be best if future creatives didn't touch on it. It really rang false when brought up on The Mandalorian and I'm kind of surprised Filoni didn't object (or if he did maybe Favreau overruled).