I mean, that scene is more a symptom than the disease.
Like Raz is a character study on how not to frame a protagonist.
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So why didn't you buy Valkyria Chronicles 4?
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Like Raz is a character study on how not to frame a protagonist.
Niche game. I did buy it. I even got the tank. But don't expect it to sell hugely. The franchise disappeared for 8 or so years and they also had a non numbered game before this that was not very good, so that may have caused confusion on what this titled was about.
I know it was reviewed well but the increase in characters and decrease in gameplay was not well received by some players so maybe that hurt word of mouth. Not even sure how this was marketed.
I do remember an interview with the director which would make me want to see another game because there are more things going on in this world that would even include things like naval combat.
Same as with the main character of Tales of the abyss. You can't have a redemption arc without a flawed character.
Charles Ingalls is a great character but not exactly redemption story arc material
The fact that you're trying to hand wave the concern because that type of joke is in countless anime makes it really hard to believe anything you say on the matter.
The real problem with that is that you also can't have a character redemption arc if no on eactually calls the character a bad person. Literally the consequence for all of Raz's bullsht in the game is people putting their hands on their hips and saying "OH YOU!!!"
Raz is a shitty dog that poops on your floor, instead of a borderline traitor.
Ok, I don't have an Xbox One. You're telling me they released this and Valkyria Revolution on XB1 but not the first game?
I'm fucking dying. That's so Sega it hurts.
After having played VC4 to its completion, nothing is as bad as say, Persona 5 where multiple times the female members of the Phantom Thieves were sent to coerce a target using their sexuality to either get information/item or stall for time, even after they vocally voiced their displeasure and unwillingness to do it. If Claude told Kai to use her feminine wiles to charm a guard or something she'd punch him in the face and get out her sniper rifle and shoot the guard instead.
That said, the first 6 or so chapters of VC4 are just awful. Especially the food fight. My goodness, that was just bad. But then the snow starts falling and the story ramps up into a pretty memorable one, although I liked the 'Nameless' unit's story better from VC3. It's still definitely worth playing and was well worth the money I spent on it. Even if it's the last VC game it had a solid run. At least it didn't end on that god awful Revolution.
That said, the first 6 or so chapters of VC4 are just awful. Especially the food fight. My goodness, that was just bad. But then the snow starts falling and the story ramps up into a pretty memorable one, although I liked the 'Nameless' unit's story better from VC3. It's still definitely worth playing and was well worth the money I spent on it. Even if it's the last VC game it had a solid run. At least it didn't end on that god awful Revolution.
No way. While I'm not a fan of the angle that VC2 went, 3 and 4 provide an incredibly serious tone once the shit hits the fan.
Again, that's also not true. Like multiple people have wrote here. Raz has a redemption arc.
Hmmm. And what is this redemption? Does his character reflect on his treatment towards women and then changed accordingly?
Really big spoiler:
He changes his way how he acts against women and sacrifices himself. You can recruit him again later in the post game but he doesn't come back to life
Hercule hahaha sorry I am not gonna quote you since to be frank, this game is something that I would like to buy but really, hearing about the Raz character basically killed my purchase decision.
However, if in the end the game treated his character arc respectfully especially in terms of how his sexism is concerned, then I would say that I am interested in trying it out, so no spoiler, haha, just a simple definitive yes or no is alright, I'll take your word for it (and anyone else, should they also agree with your interpretation)
However, if in the end the game treated his character arc respectfully especially in terms of how his sexism is concerned, then I would say that I am interested in trying it out, so no spoiler, haha, just a simple definitive yes or no is alright, I'll take your word for it (and anyone else, should they also agree with your interpretation)
This is my answer, plus the fact there are a million other games I want to play that are cheaper right now
I'll get to it, as I loved the first game, but there isn't much point buying it now when I probably won't have the time to play it for a few months (or even years)
Bought it and playing right now, having a blast with it.
The 'campaign' Squad E goes on is much cooler than VC1.
Gameplay is fun as always.
It's a shame there are still a lot of too anime-y tropes i kinda outgrew in recent years but whatever.
Now, why would i ever press on a BIG SPOILER button without javing finished the game 🤔
The 'campaign' Squad E goes on is much cooler than VC1.
Gameplay is fun as always.
It's a shame there are still a lot of too anime-y tropes i kinda outgrew in recent years but whatever.
Now, why would i ever press on a BIG SPOILER button without javing finished the game 🤔
1) I still have to play previous series first (got VC1, but dont have right mood for it, and busy with other long rpgs, which i need to finish before i start it)
2) more pricey in my region than when it used to be
this one was day 1 for me though
2) more pricey in my region than when it used to be
this one was day 1 for me though
Real talk, how many times does he literally put everyone in the squad in mortal damage because he wants to "kill some imps RAH!!!" is it 5? Is it 7?
Raz should have been arrested in the early game. And the squad lets it pass over and over and over. His redemptive arc is less redemptive and more "my plot armor has been removed". He's still a gigantic unapologetic asshole during his "repentance."
There is a difference between redemption and comeuppance.
See I purposely don't bring up the nuclear loli's because I think everyone should experience that for the first time on their own.
But making a nuke-tan, then agonizing over the process of using it while making her the mascot focal point of the back half of the game is not an incredibly serious tone. It's actual garbage.
But making a nuke-tan, then agonizing over the process of using it while making her the mascot focal point of the back half of the game is not an incredibly serious tone. It's actual garbage.
It's anime bullshit. And yes, there is in element of VC where they're basically fighting with magic, but even VC2 with it's killer magic loli manages to handle the concept of placing children on the battlefield better. VC4 uses the concept of wartime children as a cheap heartstrings puller that is never earned, especially in a game where an entire village ostracized a child to the brink of suicide for not allowing the town's prominent rich girl to run into a burning building so she could burn to death.
VC4's story is straight up dogshit.
Fun game to play though.
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Tried twice to get into VC1 for PS3 and the tank control movement was so bad and was harsh that you had one shot each time to move it or else your fuel would run out. Seemed cruel that you couldent move the tank around and then agree to commit to the move or not to get used to the controls. Completely turned me off from progressing in the game, especially if that is the first tank mission. I know tank controls are meant to be a little well tankish but still.
Yup, I'm glad we finally got it. Hopefully it did well enough to get a VC5 presumably once PS5 comes.
It was quite literal, it removed "invincibility" (not really invincibility) from his skill list!
... But yeah, people say Raz gets redeemed but it's part of the larger character arc of not being an idiot on the battlefield. Which is a redemption but not regarding assgrabbing because assgrabbing is just part of his BBB (bacon booze babes) personality quirk.
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For some reason Sega decided to not implement regional-pricing in our Steam store, so that's one of the reasons. I'll probably wait for it to hit a major discount before jumping into the game.
Loved most of VC1. Hoping this one has less of the anime tropes and associated cringe-worthy moments.
Loved most of VC1. Hoping this one has less of the anime tropes and associated cringe-worthy moments.
Fair critique, VC4 is very similar mechanically to VC1 though with a handful of niceties. Luckily the new campaign and broad new roster ends up being an ample reason to return to the unique SRPG play, and it actually did get several pieces of DLC released monthly after release, if that's what you meant by investment.
I was skeptical that an anime hot spring scene would be in favor of the women but I hadn't gotten that far in the game yet so I didnt want to say anything.
Now that I've finally seen it, I'm just confused why someone would get that impression.
The imperials loudly belittle the presence of the women, Minerva gets talked down and Riley exposes herself to everyone in her attempt to rebut them, just being such an emotional irrational woman that she forgot she was naked in her rush to deliver a lengthy tirade so all the men get a good long look. You aren't even meant to hear her arguments (which is mostly outraged insults) over the "comedy" music and the camera panning over her jokingly censored body.
I just Platinumed the game and this was what I ended up agonizing over. Like okay, it's only a small part of the game. But it's clearly not in favor of the women.
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As much as I loved the demo, Valkyria Chronicles did not have trophies so I passed on it. I only got a PS4 last year so I'll play 4 after I beat VC1 remastered.
