Horseshoe theory is the liberal’s favorite conduit for gaslighting the left. They treat it like it’s fundamentally sound and objectively logical, but it’s actually patently reductive and maliciously slanderous. They want any means to compare us to those mass shooting racists to shut down leftist critique.
I got banned for posting a guillotine a while ago, lol. Really made me realize how liberal this place is.Sometimes I wonder if a General Strike is something that could even happen in Neo-Liberal countries like the US, UK and Australia anymore. The last time one happened in Australia was 102 years ago.
Edit: Lots of bans being handed out for guillotine references in a new anti-capitalism thread.
As I've mentioned before, I don't have confidence in popular uprisings being able to implement a stable form of socialism and I'm very much against capital punishment, but that said I don't think I'd have even a second of empathy if the Koch brothers were dragged out of their mansions and shot in the street.
As a young journalist Marx was writing about the enclosure of forest estates in Germany and the expulsion/prosecution of the peasantry who attempted to continue their traditional land use patterns; it's often seen as a sort of turning point in his career. What's important to stress however is what took place wasn't necessarily as direct as capitalists forcing people to become their wage labourers. Rather we see varied and gradual processes in a number of contexts creating conditions that enable the existence of a working class, but this is still distinct from the sort of teleological efficiency narrative you mentioned.New Atheism has its own sacrificial altars.
I have a bad habit of reading stuff out of order. :P I'd like to find more info, though. Most people assume our current system evolved because it was naturally more efficient and productive. I'd like to find more evidence that it was partially shaped by power structures acting in their interests at the expense of others.
Eh, it's only three bans and it's just for one week.This thread's probably gonna be moving slow because of it, that's how many people got banned. We really should caution people to... just not with the guillotine references. Way too easy to catch a ban, and honestly, it's probably just bad tactics/optics. The fash is ascendant and is looking for a reason to criminalize the left. It sounds ridiculous to think that clearly hyperbolic posts like these could be used as examples in a legislative crusade against the left... but it's not really any more stupid than trying to pretend antifa's a single group and then labeling that a hate group, now is it.
If you're a genuine revsoc or insurrectionist, the worst thing you can possibly do right now is post that kind of sentiment where just anybody can see it. You can talk shit about propaganda of the deed or praise it all day and night, but one thing's certain and that's the fact that it's significantly better than the propaganda of things we say we're going to do but probably don't intend to do but some of us might wish we could but probably never will. Especially given this venue. Reset "games could never exist under socialism" ERA might not be the place for that to be effective agitprop.
If you're NOT a genuine revsoc... the visual of the guillotine really shouldn't have any allure for you in the first place. The Terror fuckin' sucked.
See above, lol.
Fair enough. I'd say, given the context I've read it in, there's some people who are genuinely kinda thirsty for guillotines. We don't tolerate tankies here, so it's not as widespread here, but in places like r/LSC I've definitely seen a bunch of people going WAY beyond guillotines, especially before Reddit gave a shit about quarantines.Eh, it's only three bans and it's just for one week.
I don't think anybody is serious about guillotine posting, it's just a hyperbolic way for leftists to express their frustration at the ruling class. Liberals are however perfectly willing to sit around and wait while climate change and economic instability lead to a new age of fascism. The wealthy are just going to build superdomes or whatever while everyone else dies.
I got told "eat the rich" is okay but guillotine posting is not. I guess hyperbole is fine when people don't want to be reminded of the context of a 200 year old revolution.
Establishment religions can't be utopian, or at all opposed to the public order. Once Mormons found their place to live in peace most of the weirder things (bar polygamy, which fits into the patriarchal structure of wider society anyway) went by the wayside, and you're only left with quirks that are still somewhat mainstream (like temperance). Once you find your niche and a bit of political power to go with it, ambitious doctrine goes bye bye.To Joseph Smith's credit, copying Masonic rites (or establishing your own lodge) is kind of what you DID in the Nineteenth century if you had a new spiritual movement. The Rosicrucians did it. The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn did it. The Pansophers did it (inasmuch as they're even separate from the Rosicrucians). There are precedents into the eighteenth century for this vis a vis the Oculists, and holdovers into the Twentieth in Rudolph Steiner's lodges.
As I mentioned before in my little blurb on Fourierism, there's an odd connection between occultism and utopian socialism. And there's an odd connection between Joseph Smith and occultism as well. Did you know scrying was considered to be a normal and acceptable spiritual practice even for the lay-worshipper in the early Mormon church? They even have Joseph Smith's scrying stones in a Mormon museum somewhere. His methodology bears a resemblance to the one employed by Edward Kelley, John Dee's assistant, aside from the fact that Mormon scrying for some reason prefers opaque stones rather than reflective ones. That's no longer common Mormon practice.
It's really hard to judge Joseph Smith's authenticity or sincerity in producing Mormon doctrine. But I am perpetually fascinated by how Mormonism's roots had such distinct practices and strange attempts at really utopian ambitions... and then somehow that got kinda lost.
These days, property damage and obstruction of movement seems to be enough to strike fear in the hearts of the rich anyway. Not much need to go further until they escalate it.As I've mentioned before, I don't have confidence in popular uprisings being able to implement a stable form of socialism and I'm very much against capital punishment, but that said I don't think I'd have even a second of empathy if the Koch brothers were dragged out of their mansions and shot in the street.
Has definitely turned out better than I expected.
As opposed to the Bernie and biased media thread, yeah that one was cool. I like to see leftist era stretch their legs rather than have to play defense from a bunch of obtuse disingenuous posts.
There’s been times in history when union and socialist movements in America failed to form solidarity with minorities and hobbled themselves into inevitable failure and it’s because of dense folks like this.
Yeah I mean a lot of the people replying are full parentheses putting stefan molyneux, retweeting cunts that are hardly leftists. Not to say you can't be a leftist and also be a racist, white supremacist etc. but the replying people at least just seem to love shitting on minorities whatever the side.DSA has an intersectionality problem because about a quarter of it are minority leftists and 3/4ths it are white leftists. (Numbers from my ass)
Historically, white leftists have had a "race doesn't matter, only class" problem which is offputting to minorities. A lot of that still exists but it's gotten better in recent years. DSA being a big tent caucus means you have a lot of class purists alongside a lot of intersectional socialists.
Some leftists are also white supremacists/in denial about being white supremacists.
I got bamboozled!lol come on guys that’s Michael Peinovich aka ‘Mike Enoch’ one of the most recognized alt right and white supremacist voices in the US - he is not a member of DSA - https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/michael-enoch-peinovich