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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
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I can't stop thinking about Rojava. The whole situation is fucked. The Turks are rolling in, there will be a shitshow between Erdogan and Assad, ISIS is coming back, and the Yazidis, Assyrians, and Kurds are going to get raped and slaughtered.

All because this giant fucking idiot in the White House.
 

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I can't stop thinking about Rojava. The whole situation is fucked. The Turks are rolling in, there will be a shitshow between Erdogan and Assad, ISIS is coming back, and the Kurds are going to get raped and slaughtered.

All because this giant fucking idiot in the White House.
the congress will not vote to keep the support to rojava?
 

Sibylus

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I can't stop thinking about Rojava. The whole situation is fucked. The Turks are rolling in, there will be a shitshow between Erdogan and Assad, ISIS is coming back, and the Yazidis, Assyrians, and Kurds are going to get raped and slaughtered.

All because this giant fucking idiot in the White House.
Fucking hell on earth. If I could call micrometeorites down...
 
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the congress will not vote to keep the support to rojava?

I'm not sure Congress can do anything about it - the president is the commander in chief of the military, so his decisions are final unless they are deemed to be illegal orders, which this isn't. Senator Graham (a neocon Republican) is putting up a bill to put sanctions on Turkey if they invade, but it looks like Turkish troops and allied militias are already on the march and ISIS has already begun carrying out new bombings.
 

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I'm not sure Congress can do anything about it - the president is the commander in chief of the military, so his decisions are final unless they are deemed to be illegal orders, which this isn't. Senator Graham (a neocon Republican) is putting up a bill to put sanctions on Turkey if they invade, but it looks like Turkish troops and allied militias are already on the march and ISIS has already begun carrying out new bombings.
it seems turkey started bombing villages

 

Pekola

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I see the bans are being handed down. Y'all you're gonna get banned outright if you start butting heads with "concerned and logical" individuals. So don't even engage, guys.

The problem I guess, is that they can't keep their political fan-fiction confined to PoliEra.

It's funny now, but it's going to get real nasty a few months in. Some members just don't have the emotional involvement in this and just want to feel smarter than others on the internet. Don't give them that pleasure.
 

Mekanos

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I see the bans are being handed down. Y'all you're gonna get banned outright if you start butting heads with "concerned and logical" individuals. So don't even engage, guys.

The problem I guess, is that they can't keep their political fan-fiction confined to PoliEra.

It's funny now, but it's going to get real nasty a few months in. Some members just don't have the emotional involvement in this and just want to feel smarter than others on the internet. Don't give them that pleasure.

What thread is this?

I got a warning for calling someone a bootlicker for writing a big sob story about Bush starting the Iraq War.
 

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Did we ever talk about this?

Credit where credit is due, American socialists have been killing it with their endorsements/promotion of Bernie Sanders, and are definitely a huge reason why Bernie's grassroots support is so wide-spread.
 

Pekola

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This is unconscionable.

Warning! the the Twitter thread has graphic imagery, click to twitter for full thread at your own risk.
 

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Nobody should be surprised at these developments, the US only cared about the Kurds because I guess they saw it as a way to establish political/economic control over Syria, but now with things stalemating and Assad's regime clearly not going anywhere, they view the Kurds as expendable.
 
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Jesus, this Tweet chain posted in Poliera is infuriating. The SDF is still sticking to their posts guarding ISIS prisoners because they don't understand what Trump is doing and are begging for help.


 

Sibylus

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Trump is, if anything, more honest about the caprices of empire to the point that it horrifies the other imperialists.
 

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Jesus, this Tweet chain posted in Poliera is infuriating. The SDF is still sticking to their posts guarding ISIS prisoners because they don't understand what Trump is doing and are begging for help.



I'm surprised they haven't just executed the prisoners, I assume that if the Turkish army advances far enough and prison breaks are more likely that they'll start doing that to prevent their escape.
 

TheHunter

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So... I feel pretty unwell right now thinking about Rojava and the Kurds.

Is there actually anything I can do to help at all.

I'm devastated right now. Those people have laid everything on the line to fight terror and facism and we hang them out to dry.

Fuck Trump and the GOP enablers.
 

Mekanos

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Can someone give me a good breakdown on what's going on in Syria and the recent history behind it? I'm not as well read as I should be.
 

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just sharing something i noticed, i started playing rise of tomb raider, and the game is very critical of the soviet union (its basically evil), but one thing took my attention its to take down the soviet union flags in the game, that isnt the first game i do something similar this gen, in mafia 3 you have a side quest of taking off communist posters in the streets, with some comments like traitors and etc.

like i get it the critic against the soviet union,cuba etc thats nothing new in the media, and i dont care, but this never got my attention at least in AAA games in the past, this type of red scare of incentivizing the player to take down communist stuff as a side quest in mainstream games,. Weird new thing.

i wonder why
 

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Strangely enough, I feel like some games have quite the socialist message that is not as widely spread as in movies, for instance. But that may be because I like indie games.
 

Xiaomi

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I swear some people would stop wearing pants if they heard Bernie Sanders talking about wearing them. "Lol shut up old man; I'm gonna cover my junk up with a burlap sack."
 

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Not totally sure, but this partly reads like its more about the performative aspect, the appearance of happiness. It's absolutely true that trying to be cordial and not showing any emotion besides happiness is detrimental to satisfaction / actual happiness. Note the talk about "workplace positivity", this is about performative happiness, to the exclusion of dealing with negative emotions in the workplace. IMO it's much better for people to get sad/angry and work out their issues than if they try to hide their displeasure / unhappiness and try to solve their disagreements through purely cordial means, pretending to be unfazed and "happy" the whole time.
 
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The entire article should have focused on the statistics laid out in the third paragraph rather than the bullshit point in the title: "19% of criers sobbed over personal issues, like I did, 45% blamed tears on bosses and coworkers, 16% blamed their workloads, and 13% cited workplace bullying."

When 80+% of tears shed at work are linked to work in one way or another, and nearly half are directly linked to bosses and coworkers, your first reaction shouldn't be "people should cry in plain sight" but "hey, isn't that fucked up?" Maybe there's something wrong about our work culture or, dare I say it, the system that created that work culture. Ya know, capitalism.

Like, there is a point to be made that crying serves a function and people shouldn't be ashamed of crying when they need to (instead of hiding for fear of being perceived as weak), sure. I mean, I should know, I almost never cry even when I should - what can I say, I'm a broken little man -, but on the rare occasions I do, I do feel better afterwards. HOWEVER:
1) crying is a way to cope emotionally, not a way to solve or prevent a shitty situation. It's a symptom, not a cause; what prompted the crying should still be addressed
2) the broader subject of crying is a whole other conversation that shouldn't be explored through the specific lens of the workplace. If you're going to talk about work and crying, talk about what's so fucked up about work that it's the overwhelming reason why people cry at their desks.

[EDIT] emesve : yes, and the article briefly touches upon that when the author quotes Edcar Cabanas and Eva Illouz (whose book is precisely about the instrumentalization of happiness under capitalism)... I don't think the author's intention is to defend capitalism and bosses, etc., but their article and the title are poorly written in such a way that it becomes about how people are, supposedly, entitled and shouldn't be too happy instead.
 
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I fucking hate tankies, man. People wasting keyboard energy on defending China's government and claiming genocide is fake news. Solidarity with Hong Kong is western imperialism, etc. etc. I know it's like talking to a wall but man.
 
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Old_King_Coal

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So here's a question that I'd rather ask here than anywhere else on the forum. We are in an moment where climate change related civil disobedience is on the rise. And next year, the first part of the FF7 remake hits. One of the opening premises of the game, from the first scene (which is why I'm not spoiler tagging this) is the need for violent terrorism to prevent the death of the planet from industry. Whilst this is obviously not what Square were going for at the time, do you think that is gonna resonate more now? Can you see it generating a genuine conversation?
 

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So here's a question that I'd rather ask here than anywhere else on the forum. We are in an moment where climate change related civil disobedience is on the rise. And next year, the first part of the FF7 remake hits. One of the opening premises of the game, from the first scene (which is why I'm not spoiler tagging this) is the need for violent terrorism to prevent the death of the planet from industry. Whilst this is obviously not what Square were going for at the time, do you think that is gonna resonate more now? Can you see it generating a genuine conversation?

Oh, I don't know; "rational" people are telling me that good video games are and were never political, so I guess either FFVII is a good game, so it's not political, or a political game, so nobody will buy the remake.
 
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A post on Facebook from a volunteer in Rojava, Hevi Sores:

I originally wrote this during the last threats of invasion over Summer as a sort of 'last letter' and found it again yesterday while preparing to head out to my new work. Given the difficult situation we're in atm it was nice coming across a reminder of why I'm here and thought others might appreciate it.

An open letter to my friends

I didn't come to Kurdistan with the mindset of a revolutionary. In fact I never would have imagined myself as a revolutionary before I left. I came here expecting to dabble around the edges of a revolution, applying my material skills where they're needed for a year before returning home to my privileged life. I knew this attitude would be challenged but I didn't realise it would be challenged so much, for what I have witnessed here is not some experiment in democracy or temporarily occupied space, but the most important democratic upheaval in modern history. When you find yourself part of something so important, something that tens of thousands of people have shed their blood for, it is impossible to stand on the sidelines as an observer.

Comparisons are often made between this revolution and those before, like Catalonia in the 1930s. But unlike any time in the past, where the struggle was between freedom and domination, today the alternative to any measure of success is extinction. Humanity has created massive existential threats like climate change through our endless pursuit of capital growth. The people of Kurdistan understand these threats. They understand where they come from and that system change is needed to avert them. Ordinary people live and breathe an understanding of capitalism and the state in a way that is rare in Europe. The very fabric of society is built on this understanding and with internationalism at its core.

Given the vast sacrifice the Kurds have made for their own liberation from the occupying states of Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran, it would be reasonable for them to see this revolution entirely as their own, but they don't. They see this as a revolution for the world, building on ideas from international thinkers, taking strength and inspiration from international revolutionaries, and fighting in the mountains, plains and deserts for our freedom, shoulder-to-shoulder with internationals.

So to consider yourself an anti-capitalist and to not live and breathe this revolution is to lie to yourself. The Kurds have spent 40 years struggling against overwhelming adversity to bring this revolution to us -- the peaceful, egalitarian and stateless revolution we have all longed for -- and despite still taking losses every day they are standing here in Kurdistan with open arms, ready to welcome us with a cup of tea, to teach us, to care about us as a comrades, and with the utmost patience while we fumble through their language and customs.

Every structure required by society is built from the ground up on stateless, co-operative, and feminist principles. Schools design their curriculum around de-colonial understandings of the Middle East. The justice system aims to solve as many conflicts as possible with mediation, resorting to the courtroom only in serious cases, using prison only where there is no alternative, with prisons transformed into places of rehabilitation, education and restoration. The police have a long-term plan to abolish themselves, training ordinary people in conflict de-escalation, self defence, and neighbourhood watch. The political system has been radically overhauled, ensuring representation of every strata of society and every minority at every level, and even reactionary parties opposed to the very notion of revolution are afforded the same political rights and ability to express themselves as others.

It is almost impossible to fully convey to someone who has lived their entire lives in capitalist modernity what it is like to live in this kind of society. To not live under the suffocating weight of the nation state, to not have basic human interactions infected by transactional thinking, to really know and truly love your friends and neighbours. You have to come here and experience it for yourselves. To see how a new enthusiasm for democracy has infected every corner of life.

Rojava is far from utopia, but it's a start. It's the smouldering kindling of a fire that promises to eradicate the system of capital that has colonised every country and poisoned every human interaction in an unending hunger for profit. You can reach out to add some fuel to this fire at any time, and if each of us places just a small branch one day it will grow large enough to engulf the world.
 

Xiaomi

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So here's a question that I'd rather ask here than anywhere else on the forum. We are in an moment where climate change related civil disobedience is on the rise. And next year, the first part of the FF7 remake hits. One of the opening premises of the game, from the first scene (which is why I'm not spoiler tagging this) is the need for violent terrorism to prevent the death of the planet from industry. Whilst this is obviously not what Square were going for at the time, do you think that is gonna resonate more now? Can you see it generating a genuine conversation?

It's far enough removed (future dystopia with magic and robots) to not register as relevant for a lot of people. Seems like an easy thing to get behind in a world ruled by cartoon businessmen and soviet/nazi stand-ins vs. if there were a game about blowing up a coal power plant in rural Georgia.

A post on Facebook from a volunteer in Rojava, Hevi Sores:

Harrowing, thanks for posting. I've been reading a lot about the region this month; need to continue reading to find out more.
 

Mekanos

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It's far enough removed (future dystopia with magic and robots) to not register as relevant for a lot of people. Seems like an easy thing to get behind in a world ruled by cartoon businessmen and soviet/nazi stand-ins vs. if there were a game about blowing up a coal power plant in rural Georgia.

If you mean "cartoon" as in "exaggerated and over the top," well... it won't seem too exaggerated with Trump in office.
 

Old_King_Coal

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For those who know about military stuff, is there any hope at all that the Kurd's forces will be able to defend themselves? Or is Rojava all but dead at this point?
 

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For those who know about military stuff, is there any hope at all that the Kurd's forces will be able to defend themselves? Or is Rojava all but dead at this point?
Main problem is they lack air support compared to Turkey. If they had that I'd be less AFRAID of what happened and more FURIOUS. Lemme be clear, the YPG are hardened, disciplined fighters. They just don't have the war machine Turkey does.
 
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I fucking hate tankies, man. People wasting keyboard energy on defending China's government and claiming genocide is fake news. Solidarity with Hong Kong is western imperialism, etc. etc. I know it's like talking to a wall but man.


I came to the conclusion long ago, that tankie exist to remind people of what happens when you start supporting supposedly socialist countries with no fucking regards human rights.
 

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I came to the conclusion long ago, that tankie exist to remind people of what happens when you start supporting supposedly socialist countries with no fucking regards human rights.
I wonder, how do tankies even come to terms with inter-Eastern bloc conflicts? Like the Soviet Union had issues with Yugoslavia, Albania and China. If they were all under good intentions, why would they be fighting and accusing each other of corruption/straying from socialist ideals? I don't know how they justify the conflict between separate states.
 
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I wonder, how do tankies even come to terms with inter-Eastern bloc conflicts? Like the Soviet Union had issues with Yugoslavia, Albania and China. If they were all under good intentions, why would they be fighting and accusing each other of corruption/straying from socialist ideals? I don't know how they justify the conflict between separate states.

They pick whichever side they believe was the most anti-revisionist. Hence Stalinists, Titoists, Hoxhaists, etc.

It doesn't seem like there was ever a distinct self-identifying -ist nickname for the people who continued to support the USSR all the way through post-Stalin, but I guess that's because they just kept calling themselves Marxist-Leninists (the Stalinists of course referred to them as revisionists, Khruschevites etc.)
 

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I think a pretty interesting thing w/ the Warren thread is liberals unironically making the case for trickle down economics. it's pretty amazing