When the revolution comes I'm gonna call the capitalists Yeerks and reactionaries controllers.
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That poster has constantly downplayed anyone who dares to be left of center. At least they got a ban for their bullshit rhetoric.
it's fairly obvious that referring to a certain thread by name in a pejorative fashion is treated as a bannable offense, so try not to do that
Times like these have made me formulate a hypothesis, that from what I've seen most politically revolutionary times produce three strata, each of which hates the others with mutual and devoted ferocity. The "left, right, and center" conception of these strata is a little bit misleading, because, as an example, in the Spanish revolution the anarchists and Trots represented what we'd identify as the "left" while the Stalin-backed communists represented the "center," primarily due to their attempts to reach out to the comfortable urban middle class in their regions as opposed to the radical programs of the anarchists. In the Russian revolution we have a similar thing going on in multiple phases. The "right" in that war is of course Franco. The Russian revolution I'm a little shakier on, but the middle class, the bourgeois element, were crucial in opposing the monarchist regime towards the beginning, and they obviously had problems with the harder left sector. Again we see the "left right and center" strata become a little bit inadequate to describe what's going on because the institutional power of the Soviet eventually turned against the anarchists but I think the general idea holds especially towards the beginning of revolutionary periods. Maybe someone who knows this stuff like sphagnum can comment on my hypothesis. Maybe it's just as easy as "socialist, capitalist, and reactionary" but the problem becomes compounded because labels change and as we've established, the capitalist class will always adapt to their present environment, which is how we get state capitalism from the Russian revolution. When one of the strata is defined by being chameleonic it becomes a little difficult, in the moment, to just use "capitalist"-- especially since plenty of bougies got liquidated in the Russian scenarios, but we ended up with a bougie ruling class anyways there. Especially in our case where we're presently trying to rehabilitate the image of socialism.
But anyways, my point with this is that the whole "neoliberal" thing is really just kind of a label describing a stratum of people-- the actual beliefs those people claim to profess can shift a lot, but their mutual contempt is what defines them. Consequently we see people dishing out such ludicrous horseshit as the present treatment of AOC. They certainly aren't in the reactionary camp, but they'll be motherfucked if they work with us before the reactionaries physically force them to do so on pain of death. The worst part is it typically takes two strata to destroy the third. It took the combined efforts of the socialists and the bourgeois to fight the royalists, it took the middle class and the left working together in Spain to produce a functional government-- but that mutual hatred means either they get wrecked, or they hold it together and then one group ends up triumphing over the other.
But anyways, my point with this is that the whole "neoliberal" thing is really just kind of a label describing a stratum of people-- the actual beliefs those people claim to profess can shift a lot, but their mutual contempt is what defines them. Consequently we see people dishing out such ludicrous horseshit as the present treatment of AOC. They certainly aren't in the reactionary camp, but they'll be motherfucked if they work with us before the reactionaries physically force them to do so on pain of death. The worst part is it typically takes two strata to destroy the third. It took the combined efforts of the socialists and the bourgeois to fight the royalists, it took the middle class and the left working together in Spain to produce a functional government-- but that mutual hatred means either they get wrecked, or they hold it together and then one group ends up triumphing over the other.
I'm not sure what thread you're referring to or what pejorative would be used?
Harry Potter was a cultural phenomenon that spanned during the formative years of many older/mid Millenials.
It was BIG.
I think they're referring to PoliEra.
Ohhhhh, the den of middle class white feminists.
Why didn't you just say that in the first place. LOL.
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it's in the same forum as this one and has a lot of people who don't like Bernie or leftists more generally. no idea what triggers the moderation
It's because several mods are a part of that community.
I love that his style hasn't changed at all since the days of The Young Ones.
Undoubtedly. Ultimately, even non-socialists like to hang out here just because ultimately we DO offer different kinds of political discussion. And political discussion on ERA is either constructive but highly specific, or unproductive and a general shitshow of vaguery. We have a bit more latitude than others do.
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The basis of the thread isn't, no, but if it keeps devolving into a place to air grievances about other posters and other communities then it might not be looked upon so kindly.
I would suggest that people try to keep that stuff to the discord.
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I don't get this either. Maybe because I'm old? I watched the films and they didn't make much of an impression on me. I also don't care for JK Rowlings and her TERF leanings.
tbh Harry Potter is a mediocre book series and the most interesting book (and the only good one) is the one that has the least to do with Harry
Ahh yes. I do try not to get specific about more Liberal posters.
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I don't know how old you are but I'm 28 and I can say the books were an absolute phenomenon when I was a kid, everyone was reading them, and the movies only intensified that. It was basically Star Wars for my generation in terms of impact. (I wasn't in love with them either.)
My best friend used to slavishly defend the books and JK Rowling but then it turns out realized they were trans (and became more left-wing in general) and it became a lot harder for her to enjoy them. So yeah, Rowling sucks.
Good, unfortunately many (especially here in the UK) are quite happy to turn a blind eye to that.
Yeah I've been VERY irritated with some of the more radical elements of the DSA that have no intent to play nice. Warren CLEARLY is not Hillary nor conservative, and those that would rather have Trump than cast a vote for Warren in the general, really have me questioning if they actually care about what the future holds. If we can't have Bernie (which I'm not even close to willing to concede right now) then Warren is as good of a second choice as you can get in mainstream American politics.
Hard agree.
I suspect those members of the DSA are probably all talk, though--at the rate this carnival of horrors is going, Trump's going to re-enact a particular Goya painting with Barron or some such heinous shit. Past a certain point the man just keeps piling on atrocities like one of those drinking game towers but, when it falls, instead of taking a shot you have to vote to stop the greatest existential threat to the human race at this time.
I don't post here, but I lurk often because of this. Era in general is a shitshow when it comes to discussing anything, from trivial stuff like anime, comics and video games (stuff I like) to important issues like race and gender and politics. I'm glad this thread exists so I can at least check it out and get some good articles/videos and get interesting viewpoints on topics. Even if I don't agree with them.
I wouldn't consider myself a true socialists, I'm not educated enough to say that, but this thread, along with general readings from other places, made me realize I align pretty close with socialism when it comes to my views.
It's a children book series. That's not a bad thing at all, I liked the books a lot as child. And it's ok to be an adult and like things marketed towards children, especially for nostalgia reasons. I bought a Snorlax costume today for Halloween. But when people wanna try to act like Harry Potter is Sense and Sensibility or something, I gotta check out.
Didn't expect this thread to go in such a HP direction lol. Agreed on all the above stuff re: Warren and not getting the thread nuked
JK Rowling fucking sucks though, but all that came out way after the series ended and all the millenials like myself aren't going to un-grow up with the series.
The movies are way, way worse than the books which hold up extremely well after the first imo. The main plot line involving Harry is less compelling than the overall world building which is why people got so attached to the Houses, Quidditch, etc.
JK Rowling fucking sucks though, but all that came out way after the series ended and all the millenials like myself aren't going to un-grow up with the series.
who are these people who "would rather have Trump than Warren in the general," exactly? That isn't a sentiment I've heard from anyone associated with DSA, and I hope no one is interpreting their decision not to endorse a non-socialist candidate in the general election that way.
if that's just a hyperbolic way of saying that some of the criticism of Warren from the left is overblown, then fair enough, I won't really disagree there
if that's just a hyperbolic way of saying that some of the criticism of Warren from the left is overblown, then fair enough, I won't really disagree there
Well the DSA coming out before the primary is even over and saying "we're only here for Bernie lol" isn't good optics or politicking.
And it's my biggest criticism of leftists. Terrible at building bridges and eager to tell allies you told them so. Hence why I love AOC. She gets it.
I read that more as a mood than a statement of intent. I think it's like saying one will 'move to Canada'. It's bad optics but I feel somewhat permissive of it on the basis that there are probably finite ways of articulating one's personal limited band of political non-disenfranchisement.
Yeah, that's a pretty bad mischaracterization of the resolution the DSA passed at the convention, unless you think it makes sense for a socialist organization to endorse a non-socialist candidate in the general election just because he/she isn't Trump.
You tend to get more bees with honey not vinager. And more bees means more supports.