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Start with the Communist Manifesto. Capital is Marx's magnum opus and it's a straight analysis of capitalism, while the Manifesto is the thing meant to ease you in and explain the basics.
The Communist Manifesto -> Wage Labour and Capital -> Value Price and Profit -> Capital was the trajectory suggested to me, I'm actually curious to ask, I've only read the first three of those myself, and I've seen it said elsewhere that it might be a good idea to read more modern critiques of capitalism before getting into Marx's Capital? Specifically Anwar Shaikh's book. Does anyone have any opinions on that?
Years before Daou too!
Edit got curious and checked his Twitter, he's still a comrade.
Yeah, that's why I can never take seriously these people that love to talk about the death tolls of the Soviet Union or Mao's China. I mean, they did some horrific things, and that shouldn't be overlooked, but people will always try to distance all the bad things surrounding capitalism and slavery along with killing off Natives and kicking them off their land is another. Historian Edward Baptist of Cornell University talks about how the North benefited quite a bit from slavery and just how economically motivated slavery was. I read recently that the value of the 4 million people in slavery was roughly 3 billion dollars by 1860, it was extremely lucrative because cotton was considered the oil of the 1800s.
The way cotton is grown, it destroys the soil after a couple yields so plantation owners constantly had to expand into new land in order to fulfill the demand. So that came with military expansion into areas where natives were living and then slaves had to do brutal work preparing this land to be farmed.
This doesn't get into how Western Imperialism and Capitalism are closely tied today. An estimated 20-30 million have died since WWII, in which the United States is at least partially responsible for and largely for capital interests.
20-30 million sounds like an understatement tbh. Always love when people bring up the communism death toll shit and then just ignore all the deaths due to capitalism from artificial poverty. For example a study here found that austerity caused atleast 180k preventable deaths. In the 5th richest country in the fucking world...
That's the estimate I've read but you are right that the estimated lives lost from artificial poverty is often completely overlooked.
I mean how many Africans died for nothing more than the almighty dollar. How much African history culture and heritage have been destroyed due to the almighty dollar no one will truly know but probably a whole hell of a lot.
"caretaker government".
Like in every other right wing American backed Latin American coup, western media is pretty much universally complicit.
I'm not following the account of the supposed "voting irregularity". So it pauses @ 84%. Then when it starts again it's @ 95%. What was the implication of that?
Because the Internet for GAMERSTM goes something like this:
[-Left wing-|--Center--|---------------------------------------RIGHT WING, SJWS TAKING MY GAMES--------------------------------------------------------------]
A lot of people can't even withstand the centrist level of moderation.
the allegation was that they frauded there during that pause some way , because evo showed as winning in 1st turn and not before the pause.
Every day I discover this fact anew, it really is quite reliable in that way lol.
I'm confused myself. The supposed 'Left' here are mostly liberals.
I guess it also has to do with the fact that the US-center is just so ridiculously far right compared to most other places...
bernie would be someone from the the traditional social democratic left in europe, but in US he's far left.
Liberal = left-wing to like 99% of Americans.
Being left-wing here means supporting diversity, gay marriage, abortion, and maybe a token condemnation of an isolated case of police brutality.
Actual left-wing economic policy is not popular in America and will get you accused of being a commie. The red scare and Reagan royally fucked us.
Deep down liberals still believe in bootstrap theory and that if they work hard they can make enough money to be wealthy. Either that or they believe capitalism is a necessary evil and see hierarchy as a natural state for society, and that there are good and bad politicians/billionaires who should steer society into a better position with their power.
(Why do you think liberals love superheroes so much?)
Oh god I hate the I'm not a bigot therefore I'm left wing crap.
Seriously, I have that argument like twice a bloody week with liberals here..
There is no social justice without God damn economic justice. You're just changing who gets to wear the boot on people's neck without it.
Edit I swear, if poverty was demographically equal they'd think it was job done.
Seriously, I have that argument like twice a bloody week with liberals here..
There is no social justice without God damn economic justice. You're just changing who gets to wear the boot on people's neck without it.
Edit I swear, if poverty was demographically equal they'd think it was job done.
most people simply don't understand that they're both two sides of the same coin. Or have a incentive not to change too much. Aka the rich white liberal syndrome
Because every other gaming site on the web is a right-wing hellscape, so here is "left" by default despite that not being true.
Kinda like American politics!
That said I think there are more left-wing people on this site than it appears. Even if they don't have the language for socialism or a willingness to identify with the label, lots of people here are happy to post things like ACAB and eat the rich lol. Lots of "capitalism sucks" posts too.
The loudest posters are not necessarily representative of all of the forum. I do wish we had an out and out socialist on the mod team though, just to feel a little more represented.
The loudest posters are not necessarily representative of all of the forum. I do wish we had an out and out socialist on the mod team though, just to feel a little more represented.
This is true. Those people are the winnable sort that just need a nudge I think, although some of it will just be memes lol
Yeah, I agree but tbh I've no clue who the majority of mods are, seems like I notice a new one every day.
My impression has always been that it's for the general public, and potential allies....and in some ways they can serve the same function as political cartoons in biting at and wearing down the opponent.
the public and the owner. If the strike gets attention, its bad for the company/place image.
Thanks, that's what I assumed but wanted to make sure.
I bring it up because I saw on local news Sysco drivers striking over performance standards, and when searching online about it, there's not that much about it other than a basic Facebook post and press release from the Teamster union.
Usually social media is good at generating outrage and bad pr, so I feel there's wasted potential here, though I'm not yet sure how to address it, not for this one strike but in general.
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When people here support the strikers they will hit their horn going by, and people like me will go up to them to learn more. I'll throw up a fist if I'm in a hurry, they are looking for coverage and solidarity.
Edit sorry just noticed it's been answered!
As someone who only recently discovered this (Socialist OT) space, I think a lot of people who just instinctively hate capitalism / lean hard left due to the lived experience of toiling and suffering under the system don't know about this thread or the idea of a community for them. They may just be disinclined to posting in Etc OTs though.
I myself used to just kind of skim the Etc threads looking for political stuff. It became a kind of poisonous feedback loop of butting up against the same posters over and over and trying to find some kind of solidarity with others who felt the same as me, but the results were usually just me getting entirely too angry and feeling kinda gross. My rhetoric absolutely sank to childishly inflamed levels at times, and I'm not proud of the posts I made in some heated threads. I can at the very least say that coming here has been great for my use of this forum, even if I don't post very often.
I agree that it would be nice to have someone like us on the mod team. It would certainly go a long way in making me feel like this particular community had a voice on the site.
Hey, comrades, if you want to show solidarity to our trans brothers and sisters, just swing on by the Trans Awareness week thread in the pinned section of the EtCetera forum! It's easy to miss, but allies would be very, very, very appreciated right now, for reasons that will become very obvious to you the second you click in on the latest couple pages.
I don't wanna respond without knowing the story but the gist of it is ketkat was banned because she spoke out against the power trip mods and their double standards?
if so that's fucked up
Well, Ketkat's insinuation was that someone had posted acephobic shit. Then a mod comes in there, Royalan, specifically, trying to defend the decision in part by talking a whole bunch of shit about how bad the job is. Another mod comes in saying they have no acephobic members on staff. Leaving aside the question of why they didn't just ban Ketkat for lying if that were the case, After a little bit of searching, wouldn't you fucking know it, a NeoGAF thread from 2017:
I wonder if someone's on PoliERA doing something similar. I hope so.
Thank you for getting me up to speedWell, Ketkat's insinuation was that someone had posted acephobic shit. Then a mod comes in there, Royalan, specifically, trying to defend the decision in part by talking a whole bunch of shit about how bad the job is. Another mod comes in saying they have no acephobic members on staff. Leaving aside the question of why they didn't just ban Ketkat for lying if that were the case, After a little bit of searching, wouldn't you fucking know it, a NeoGAF thread from 2017:
Now we get confirmation via Ketkat's girlfriend that Royalan isn't even the mod they were talking about. The problem is, of course, a pinned thread gets minimal exposure. Now I'm here, talking to you all.
I wonder if someone's on PoliERA doing something similar. I hope so.