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Socialism |OT| The Dawn of a Red Era

What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 43 14.8%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 25 8.6%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 12 4.1%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 7 2.4%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 112 38.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 75 25.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 16 5.5%

  • Total voters
    290

thepotatoman

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,617
Denver
Voluntary unpaid labor is very late stage capitalism, but it's also proof that you don't need to threaten people with starvation and homelessness to get people to do work.

 
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Rupetta

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,015
Boston/Helsinki
We’re on track for indentured servitude
Actually it's worse brother. Before we get luxury space communism we need to go through this:
probably a fake but in line with where we need to go first:´...
 

Mekanos

Member
Oct 17, 2018
15,457
Actually it's worse brother. Before we get luxury space communism we need to go through this:
probably a fake but in line with where we need to go first:´...
Marx did say we would need capitalism to transition to communism, but man they're really dragging this capitalism part out.
 
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sphagnum

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,799
Bernie in the lead in the most recent Iowa poll, AOC refusing to give the DCCC money.

A good day!
 

Televator

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
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Psychoward

Member
Nov 7, 2017
23,160

TheHunter

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,812
I'm gonna laugh if the GOP/Trump try to get Sanders nominated and they Hillary themselves and Bernie wins.

Karma. Pure and unfiltered.
 
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sphagnum

Member
Oct 25, 2017
11,799
As we all know, Trump is terrible at learning lessons, so Bill Clinton encouraging him to jump into the race in 2015 will be lost on him.
 

Hawkster

Member
Mar 23, 2019
1,297
So... this is the famed SocialismERA, eh? I suppose its time to make myself cozy and introduce myself to the thread before I get to reading and learning the basis of Socialism as a whole.
 

Deffers

Banned
Mar 4, 2018
2,043
Well, welcome! If there's something in particular you're interested in, don't hesitate to let us know.

The basis of socialism is just the idea that people should be able to work together as a community to help each other out. The goal is a stateless, classless society of equals and the entire movement has, from well before Marx up until now, been the study and practice of getting us there.

Marx's Capital is a good start if you don't mind lots and lots of pages of reading. The Manifesto might be a little bit easier on the eyes otherwise. If you want less pages of reading from a more anarchist perspective, the works of Peter Kropotkin are a different, but better start-- specifically, the Conquest of Bread. From there, you could go into the works of Murray Bookchin-- he's the one that I believe in the most as a shot for a complete society.
 

Snowy

Member
Nov 11, 2017
1,130
While I've stopped listening to Chapo for a while now, I do appreciate Matt and Virgil a lot and their appearance on this libcentrist wonk podcast is pretty fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsRlqBywKeQ

Cool to know the hosts are completely in the dark about realist IR theory re the question on Iran having a nuke.
Matt and Virgil could launch a splinter podcast and lose a good deal of the Chapo baggage (most of which I think is totally manufactured and silly, other than some of the Amber stuff). Matt’s solo history podcasts and appearances on The Antifada are especially rad.
 

Rupetta

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,015
Boston/Helsinki
Just read this and figured some people here would get a kick out of reading this hilariously passive aggressive interview with Sanders from the NYT.
I thought it was OK until the wage and exploitation question, then it became an overt hunt for the gotcha moment. I think it is good that they press him on gun issue and it is also good that they press him. Also glad to know he is not an Amazon Prime member...

edit: somehow managed to read the Steyer interview they did as well - the format is similar, it is a very uniteresting interview so scroll to the end when the NYT folks get mighty angry at the end when Steyer calls NYT a fancy newspaper for fancy people, lol.
 
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GiantBreadbug

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,645
Pretty interesting that the breakdown of the Sanders-Warren Unspoken Alliance of 2020 is beginning to disintegrate under the conditions of

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increasingly desperate smear jobs and back-alley staffer-media hitjobs whose contents absolutely reek of Obama-Clinton era nastiness. Warren ought to have kept anybody associated with either of those two well and far away from her presidential bid. Why their inanity has any remaining political purchase in the beltway, I would have no guess other than that it's basically a culture that doesn't exist without their ilk.
 

DrSlek

Member
Oct 29, 2017
4,741
I just came across a very interesting story of anti-fascism and solidarity in Australia just before World War 2.

I came across this video on youtube.


Track #4 is Pig Iron Bob, which was apparently the nickname given to Robert Menzies, our longest serving PM and a member of the Liberal (conservative) party.

It's about the 1938 Dalfram dispute.

In November 1938 wharf labourers, members of the Waterside Workers' Federation of Australia, refused to load pig iron onto the steamship SS Dalfram headed for Japan. The ship was chartered by Mitsui to supply the Japan Steel Works Ltd in Kobe, a part of a contract for 300,000 tons of pig-iron. The Japan Steel Works was producing military materials for the undeclared war in China.

The dispute followed Japan's invasion of Nanking in 1937 with Japan's military expansion into China.

The Australian Council of Trade Unions in October 1937 called for a boycott of Japanese goods and an embargo on the export of iron to Japan in response to the Japanese aggression. Trade unions and many workers argued that the pig iron would be used in bombs and munitions in the invasion of China and articulated that they may also be used against Australia.

The Dalfram wasn't the first protest against Japanese militarism. In Newcastle during October 1937 Chinese crew deserted the British steamer, SS Silksworth, in protest against the Japanese seizure of all major seaports in China. Sanctuary was given to the Chinese seamen by labour activists. After their successful protest they returned to the ship only when they were promised disembarkation at Singapore. During 1937 the slogan ’No Scrap for the Jap’ started appearing on wharves and union offices around Australia.

Fremantle waterside workers refused to load supplies on a Japanese whaling vessel in September 1937. In October 1937 Sydney waterside workers walked off the Tamon Maru when they learned that scrap iron was on board and destined for Japan. That month the Waterside Workers' Federation were successful in getting support from the ACTU in organising an embargo or boycott of Japanese imports and exports. Other bans were applied in Port Adelaide, Hobart and Brisbane.
The dispute dragged on for 10 weeks and 2 days and received financial support from around Australia, particularly from the Australian Labour movement, but also from Chinese immigrant community in Sydney who supplied truckloads of produce to help the families of the striking workers.
 
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Nov 14, 2017
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I just came across a very interesting story of anti-fascism and solidarity in Australia just before World War 2.

I came across this video on youtube.


Track #4 is Pig Iron Bob, which was apparently the nickname given to Robert Menzies, our longest serving PM and a member of the Liberal (conservative) party.

It's about the 1938 Dalfram dispute.
There was a documentary about this a made a few years ago, but I don't think it's available online unfortunately. What's worth stressing about the whole thing imo, beyond Menzies' sympathising to fascism, was the role of basically what is now known as "sovereign risk" in some arguments against the strike. Australia couldn't withhold the shipment because it would be breaking a contract, and that's a violation of how markets should work.
 

Doop

Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
187
hello, are you folks still inviting people to the discord? if so I'd like to join.
edit: thank you!
 
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Mekanos

Member
Oct 17, 2018
15,457

Gio

Member
Oct 28, 2017
457
Manila
I’d like an invite to the discord as well please. I’ve lurked here since I joined the forum and it’s been a safe space for me even though I haven’t really participated.