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They're a podcast and sort of a central point for a lot of what's considered the dirtbag left. Depending on who you talk to they're either a refreshing wildly irreverent voice and speak truth to power about miquetoast centrists and conservatives alike or they're a bunch of assholes with a bad history of ableism and what seems like an offputtingly cruel streak, or at least an irreverence that's indiscriminate
I don't like them
Over/under 50 posts before someone comes in with "BUT VENEZUELA"
I see, thank you.
From your description, i'm gonna say they sound like the latter.
Keep in mind, I don't like them. I mean, I think I have good reasons to. But research yourself if you want to and figure out what you think
Yeah, it's there the same old graph of capitalism saving people from poverty, and a random comparison to socialism.
No outright bootlicking, but lots of "if only the Democrats were in charge!" willful ignorance.
Whatever one's opinion of CTH, I think Amber is the only one who has any official role in DSA. I don't believe the other Chapos are that closely involved even in the NYC locals, AFAIK. But this isn't the first time Amber has pulled this sort of thing, so yeah, you have to seriously question why she's still there.
Sorry I should have been clearer: in a more general sense it feels like a specific social scene, in which the Chapo folks feature significantly, has quite a bit of influence over the national DSA. Rumblings on my Twitter last night were people talking about how their local chapters are sort of ignoring higher up stuff because they're sick of this which, if true, good for them
EDIT: My distaste for Chapo is known but honestly, in this whole kerfluffle, what's on my mind isn't really "damn those assholes at it again" but more specifically "shit like this keeps happening to progressive coalitions. We should really figure out why this keeps being a problem". Why is it so hard to build movements that are robustly inclusive? That's not sarcasm, swear to god, that is a problem before us
That's probably all true. I just haven't noticed much overlap between DSA Twitter drama and DSA IRL, but I can only really speak for my own experience, and Twitter drama still has an impact on how the organization is perceived.
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DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America, a broad socialist organization that's been around for decades but gained popularity after Bernie Sanders' run for the presidency by association, even though he's not a member. They're not a political party, so while someone in DSA can run for office they would do so either as an independent or as a member of some other party (usually as a Democrat). They allow pretty much anyone who calls themself a socialist in, so you've got a wide variety of members spanning from reformist Democrats to hardcore Marxist-Leninists.
It's a broad tent leftist organization where seemingly every member has a twitter account, of course they're constantly falling out
Eh, maybe. That's sort of a neat answer. Then again, maybe that's all it is. But its something I think about as I watch us try to gain ground...
Right, that's my point though we sort of need to figure out how to...not
Leftist ideologues and lifestylists are always fighting about who is the better and more correct and pure and pious Leftist.
But the proletariat itself is always unified.
I don't know much or care much for Chapo but I got a good laugh recently when one of them went to FB to complain about the creepy fetishization, lifestylism, and commodification-behavior of their supposed fanbase.
But the proletariat itself is always unified.
I don't know much or care much for Chapo but I got a good laugh recently when one of them went to FB to complain about the creepy fetishization, lifestylism, and commodification-behavior of their supposed fanbase.
Random rant: does it annoy anyone else how people never seem to notice or care about the slick shit Silicon Valley is always up to? Like we joke every once in a while about "Oh someone invented the bus again!", but those companies are always fully aware of that. Uber and Lyft and whoever know they're making shit that's been invented years ago. They want to privatize it so the poor can't use it. For everything! The fucking Juicero, that Bodega thing, it's all the same goal. Silicon Valley's "disrupting the industry" bullshit is just code for how they want to take every mundane and average thing that everyone uses everyday and privatize it so they can profit off basic utilities. It's disgusting and something needs to be done about it before it leads us to dystopia.
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I read a good article about this a while back.
The Uber Endgame by Matt Buchanan
Pittsburgh didn't see most of the benefits they expected from letting Uber test there.
The Uber Endgame by Matt Buchanan
Pittsburgh didn't see most of the benefits they expected from letting Uber test there.
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Unified in their conditions but not their beliefs.
And even then, different elements of the proletariat face different struggles due to their race, sex, etc.
Ideology and belief doesn't make revolution. The revolutionary democratic action by the workin class makes revolution.
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Yes, but I'm not addressing just that. That's in the future. I'm talking about the here and now, which your statement would apply to since you've said they're always unified.
Even if capitalism imploded completely tomorrow, I think we have substantial reason to believe that proletarians would not suddenly come to understand how their relation to production and to the capitalist class is the same across gender, racial, religious etc. divides and come together to establish socialism. We need to confront these other issues here and now not only because they are problems in their own right but because they prevent unity among the proletariat that is needed for socialism in the first place.
Even if capitalism imploded completely tomorrow, I think we have substantial reason to believe that proletarians would not suddenly come to understand how their relation to production and to the capitalist class is the same across gender, racial, religious etc. divides and come together to establish socialism. We need to confront these other issues here and now not only because they are problems in their own right but because they prevent unity among the proletariat that is needed for socialism in the first place.
I've said it before. No one knows their position to capital better than proletarians.
The popular conception that is "state capitalism" as presented by most "socialists" is unappealing to the proletariat and will continue to be so.
The popular conception that is "state capitalism" as presented by most "socialists" is unappealing to the proletariat and will continue to be so.
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Do you think working class people would just throw down their divisions if capitalism collapsed tomorrow? You don't think there would be a significant reactionary faction, particularly among whites, who would find some scapegoat to blame other than capitalists themselves?
It's just not compatible with the way people actually interact with each other in this country to assume that they would, or already do, view themselves in relation to others primarily through a class lens.
It's just not compatible with the way people actually interact with each other in this country to assume that they would, or already do, view themselves in relation to others primarily through a class lens.
Except they're too busy constantly voting against their own self interests, by voting for the Republicans. (and the Tories over here)
Basically what Uber has is the app, which is something that governments really should have just replicated by now. Maybe some cities do a better job, but finding routes and schedules is far harder than it should be, never mind being able to see where busses are. And if people could pay for bus fare through the app and not have to worry about carrying cash that'd be really nice too (or maybe just let people ride the bus for free). It's the sort of thing the local Uni's CS department could get it's students to make an 80% functional version of in a few months. Or a larger open-source effort among many participating municipalities could put together a really nice and polished app. It could materially increase usage of public transit, reducing emissions and congestions, for really very little money in the grand scheme of things.
gov.uk is open source, and really all public service code should be. (Or maybe just all software should be open source.)
gov.uk is open source, and really all public service code should be. (Or maybe just all software should be open source.)
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Uber and other companies like it are fucking scum.
They're just unlicensed mini cabs companies. But because mini cabs don't exist in the US (to my knowledge) everyone loses their shit thinking it's the second coming.
They're just unlicensed mini cabs companies. But because mini cabs don't exist in the US (to my knowledge) everyone loses their shit thinking it's the second coming.
All that stuff already exists in the UK.
I completely agree with all software being open source.
To make matters worse, Wall Street turns riders and MTA workers against each other.
#NoFareHikes
Not Another Fare Hike - Tax Wall Street Not the People #SwipeItForward
The unaffordable fares are feeding the mass incarceration system and deportation machine. In 2015, the NYPD issued over 120,000 summons and made nearly 30,000 arrests for fare evasion. Since 2013, more than 10,000 arrests have been made just for "swipe-begging." Black and Latino people have been overwhelmingly targeted.
I'm okay with letting people pay their fares via app as long paying with physical money is still possible. One of the major arguments against free public transportation is that it'll let more homeless people on.
"Instead of addressing poverty, how about we isolate the poor even further!"
#NoFareHikes
Not Another Fare Hike - Tax Wall Street Not the People #SwipeItForward
The unaffordable fares are feeding the mass incarceration system and deportation machine. In 2015, the NYPD issued over 120,000 summons and made nearly 30,000 arrests for fare evasion. Since 2013, more than 10,000 arrests have been made just for "swipe-begging." Black and Latino people have been overwhelmingly targeted.
I'm okay with letting people pay their fares via app as long paying with physical money is still possible. One of the major arguments against free public transportation is that it'll let more homeless people on.
"Instead of addressing poverty, how about we isolate the poor even further!"
Wait this wasn't the default? Wow. Minneapolis public transit is like unlimited rides for three hours for one fare payment, and even Chicago is, I believe, "two rides after the first within two hours of the first"
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Well, I meant tizzy in a bad way, like they're steaming mad (the being shocked part was sarcastic).
I have conflicted feelings about Manning but I think she did the best with what she could at the time and I'm excited to see her do this, no matter how it goes
EDIT: I feel like we all should have been responsible for figuring out how much of a shitheel Assange was much earlier
EDIT: I feel like we all should have been responsible for figuring out how much of a shitheel Assange was much earlier
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He didn't make it obvious until his exile started, so I don't think anyone deserves any blame for that.
Sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet sometimes. But that is pretty much why many Americans don't like her.
People who use the term "traitor" unironically in reference to a country founded on racism and genocide astound me.
I legit love the idea of someone who's done as much time in prison (solitary too) as her getting elected. Way too many politicians spout "tough on crime" bullshit having no idea what it's like on the other side.
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She betrayed our country!
*carries out war nobody wants*
It was illegal!
*commits war crimes*
Innocent people could have died!
*blows up wedding*
Agreed, and there would be no cowing her either. She would be one of the most outspoken people in the government.
Acceptable to libs: murdering hundreds of thousands of people
Unacceptable to libs: exposing war crimes
Ah, but the United States would never do something as terrible as interfere in elections or start illegal wars and occupy land indefinitely like Vladimir "Global Supervillain" Putin so it would be justified in that case.
I'm so frustrated with (US) liberals. At least conservatives/republicans/fascists are honest about their ideology and their self-perception, but US liberals spout progressiveness, humility, and empathy, yet they don't give two shits about the poor and bombing brown folks. And then there's the fixation on Trump as if he's the only problem and not US society as a whole. They have such lack of self-awareness about the shit their own country does and it's totally okay as long as it's their team that's in charge of extrajudicial murder, mass surveillance, mass incarceration, voter disenfranchisement, NoDAPL, apartheid, bombing other countries, neoliberal economic policies, defense of capitalism, etc.
A recent example in 'liberal' circles is also the fixation on Chinese mass-surveillance and how it's framed as this Eastern totalitarian state, while the US and UK are land of the free and brave. Basically:
About surveilance Its strange, snowden exposed the surveilance that US do in all the World, but that China thing is totalitarist.
Like really? If China is orwellian what US used to be before snowden? And for some snowden IS a traitor...
Like really? If China is orwellian what US used to be before snowden? And for some snowden IS a traitor...