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What tendency/ideology do you best align with?

  • Anarchism

    Votes: 125 12.0%
  • Marxism

    Votes: 86 8.2%
  • Marxism-Leninism

    Votes: 79 7.6%
  • Left Communism

    Votes: 19 1.8%
  • Democratic Socialism

    Votes: 423 40.6%
  • Social Democracy

    Votes: 238 22.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 73 7.0%

  • Total voters
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Scottt

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From the LRB:

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To Jesse Karmazin, a startup founder and Stanford Medical School graduate, blood is the next big government-approved drug.

Roughly three years ago, Karmazin launched Ambrosia, a startup that fills the veins of older people with blood from younger donors, hoping the procedure would help conquer aging by rejuvenating the body's organs. As Business Insider previously reported, there's little to no evidence to suggest this would work.

The company is now up and running, Karmazin told Business Insider on Wednesday. Ambrosia recently revamped its website with a list of clinic locations and is now accepting payments for the procedure via PayPal. Two options are listed: 1 liter of young blood for $8,000, or 2 liters for $12,000.

https://www.businessinsider.com/you...epting-paypal-payments-cities-ambrosia-2019-1

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Death cannot and should not be eliminated. Death is a part of life, what we need to do is ensure that people don't die of preventable or foul sources.
 

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re: Death

https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1961/janitzio.htm


In the form of exchange, of money, and of class, the species' sense of permanence [perennità] disappears, and what is ignoble in the continued existence [perennità] of private property increases. This is translated into the immortality of the soul which contracts for happiness outside of nature with the usurer-god who runs this vile bank. In these societies which pretend to be raised from barbarism to civilization we live in dread of personal death and lie prostrate before mummies, like the mausoleum in Moscow, with its infamous history.

In communism, which has not yet happened but which remains a scientific certainty, the identity of the individual and his fate with their species is re-won, after destroying within it all the limits of family, race, and nation. This victory puts an end to all fear of personal death and with it every cult of the living and the dead, society being organized for the first time around well-being and joy and the reduction of sorrow, suffering, and sacrifice to a rational minimum, removing every mysterious and sinister character from the harmonious course of the succession of generations, a natural condition of the prosperity of the species.
 
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The Chinese economy slowed further in the fourth quarter, matching its lowest recorded reading, last reached during the global financial crisis in 2009.

The fourth quarter growth rate of 6.4 per cent, year on year, matched that of the first quarter of 2009, according to data released Monday by the National Bureau of Statistics.

That was the lowest growth rate since the Chinese government began publishing quarterly growth rates at the beginning of 1992. The 2009 reading occurred at the beginning of the global crash in markets, which sparked recessions throughout the West.

https://m.scmp.com/economy/china-ec...ws-further-matching-its-lowest-ever-quarterly
 

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Looking forward to "see communism does't work" takes when China inevitably drags us into super recession.
 
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AOC had a pretty great talk with Ta-Nehisi Coates. It's certainly not Marxist but I'm glad she finally started talking about demsoc in socialisty terms rather than just taxes and welfare. Towards the end she says that socialism is "introducing modes of democracy into the economy, such as worker co-ops" and even briefly alludes to the LTV.

 

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In the video, Yue -- who published an open letter in July 2018 calling for students at universities across China to support the workers at Shenzhen's Jasic Technology -- is alleged to say she has been influenced by "radical leftists" and now realizes her behavior is "illegal."

Lol that kind of framing always seems funny to me. "I now realize that what I was doing was illegal and bad. Also I wanted to overthrow the CCP, I guess I just realized that was illegal too"

Looking forward to "see communism does't work" takes when China inevitably drags us into super recession.

I'm interested to see what they do when hit with another downturn. While the party is undoubtedly mixed with business interests, it is also a cloistered political body. Unlike the United States or Europe, the party can see a benefit with the wider population from swiftly destroying big defaulters, punishing business owners and seizing their capital for being socially irresponsible or something like this. They have the means to hit the reset button and put people back to work with a lot more agility, because the interests of capital are still subordinate to the party's need for stability and economic progress. Unless they prove not to be, in which case there'd have to be austerity and further concentration of capital which would likely look far more directly repressive than ours given the different position of China.
 

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A source that watched the confession video described to CNN that the four graduates on screen looked dull and glassy, "apart from Yue Xin looked relatively sane, the other three people looked like they had totally changed into another person, maybe it's because their toughness and had suffered more." The source declined to be named due to the sensitivity of this matter.

 

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AOC had a pretty great talk with Ta-Nehisi Coates. It's certainly not Marxist but I'm glad she finally started talking about demsoc in socialisty terms rather than just taxes and welfare. Towards the end she says that socialism is "introducing modes of democracy into the economy, such as worker co-ops" and even briefly alludes to the LTV.



So, we are nearing a point in time when a member of the US congress will utter the words "workers controlling the means of production" and not with intent of evoking specters of the Red Scare- some years ago this seemed like an absolute impossibility (to me). It is pretty insane when looking at it from the historical perspective. Yes, AOC is a social democrat, but it would be interesting to see who she's surrounding herself with/or the books on her nightstand because her vocabulary is evolving and not necessarily in the wrong direction against most odds.

I also assume some (on this very forum) will not pay attention to her words and be very disappointed when she doesn't endorse Kamala the Cop.
 
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Let's hope for the people's sake that it is a fall and less of a push, considering the supporting players.

Yeah, I think the only positive endgame would have been a Hungary 1956 scenario where the people rise up against the PSUV to institute actual socialism, but Maduro has the support of the military and the opposition has the support of foreign powers. Since the PSUV has messed up so badly even regardless of whatever the US may be up to behind the scenes, that just pushes the desperate populace more over to the opposition as it is.

There are no good outcomes, but if the government is toppled then we have to be honest about why it happened.
 

Skaterboy

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My question about the 'possible' coup that's in the works is, what's the best possible scenario.
If Maduro does fall and the opposition comes to power with foreign backing won't Venezuela just return to the pre-Maduro years of U.S endorsed neoliberalism.
 
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My question about the 'possible' coup that's in the works is, what's the best possible scenario.
If Maduro does fall and the opposition comes to power with foreign backing won't Venezuela just return to the pre-Maduro years of U.S endorsed neoliberalism.

Yes, but at the same time the country is pretty much a wasteland right now. You're just shifting from one type of capitalism (a badly run social democracy) to another. It frankly would probably do better due to the international support.
 

Vela

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There are no good outcomes, but if the government is toppled then we have to be honest about why it happened.

If we have to be honest, then the reasons why it's happened is in no small part thanks to US imperialism along with the fascist power in Latin America. Sure, there is plenty to criticize Maduro for, but any form of revolution should be at the will of the people, and not some foreign-backed right-winged compradore who's suddenly open to foreign business investors and exploitation of Venezuelans.
 
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If we have to be honest, then the reasons why it's happened is in no small part thanks to US imperialism along with the fascist power in Latin America. Sure, there is plenty to criticize Maduro for, but any form of revolution should be at the will of the people, and not some foreign-backed right-winged compradore who's suddenly open to foreign business investors and exploitation of Venezuelans.

Of course, the Bolivarian revolutoknnever would have happened if there wasn't mass support for it. But what annoys me the most is the types who refuse to accept that the PSUV is bad at all. It's the same sort who whitewash everything about the USSR or China.
 

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Of course, the Bolivarian revolutoknnever would have happened if there wasn't mass support for it. But what annoys me the most is the types who refuse to accept that the PSUV is bad at all. It's the same sort who whitewash everything about the USSR or China.

I have never whitewashed Maduro, and I haven't seen it either by people who are critical of what's going on right now. I think that's something that people automatically attribute anti-imperialists. That somehow when you criticize the "foreign intervention" strategy of the Global North, some people somehow think that means a defense of the horrors committed by the invaded country's leader when that is far from the case.

It's a silencing tactic that automatically makes it a difficult position for us to argue our case for anti-imperialism. That we have to automatically align with US imperialism and their fascists currently in power because the leaders are shitheads.

That being said, and I'm not whitewashing Maduro at all, we also have to balance an acknowledgement of the role that foreign interventions like sanctions and coup attempts and destabilization efforts from the imperialist powers have on such countries and their leadership. It's difficult as hell, but we have to do it to be truthful and critical about how today's international politics work in the interest of capitalism
 

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It's mostly people on Reddit and other sites who treat Telesur as a anything other than state propaganda.

At the same time, I think it's crucial that we do not downplay or effectively obscure the central role of US imperialism and place hugely disproportionate blame on a government that is subject to unremitting pressure, economic warfare & demonisation.
 

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Well, Hungary is an apt but sad comparison. It wasn't really a socialist uprising. Proletarian, to much of a degree, sure.

But the result was the re-Stalinization of the Party, state terror, and gulags for the next ten years. Eventually followed by reforms and collapse.

For Venezuela I find that old Hoxha quote to be apt: "This year will be harder than last year. On the other hand, it will be easier than next year."
 

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Venezuela is an enthusiastic member of OPEC and international Capital. If the US cut back on its own oil production and offered Maduro a fat check for some oil reserves he'd knock over his own mother to reach out and grab it, then proceed to embezzle it, continue to grossly mismanage the industry that props up his tin can dictatorship and then continue to pay off his cops to repress Venezuelans with state terror.

The best way to keep Venezuela from completely collapsing would be for Maduro to dismantle the state police and step down. Let the Venezuelan people figure it out. The US should stay out of it.

thanks to US imperialism along with the fascist power in Latin America

"US Imperialism" isn't responsible for the PSUV being full of embezzlers and Maduro being a moron.
 
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Vela

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I don't think that point gets through to many people, sphagnum. :(

So many imperialists on this forum, it's unbearable.
 
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These past few days remind me of me when I was younger, yelling at other kids at school "Are you saying you DONT want Iraqis to have freedom?!" and then me when I was slightly older yelling "Are you saying the soviets WEREN'T democratic?!"
 

Vela

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We must support Comrade Saddam Hussain in his struggle against American Imperialism!

funny, that sounds just like the strawman that the warhawks were putting up back in 2002 and 2003. Just like that other thread here on Maduro.

And look at Iraq now (and Afghanistan for that matter or the rest of the countries affected by imperialism ) - it's clear that US/Western imperialism must be stopped.
 

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funny, that sounds just like the strawman that the warhawks were putting up back in 2002 and 2003. Just like that other thread here on Maduro.

And look at Iraq now (and Afghanistan for that matter or the rest of the countries affected by imperialism ) - it's clear that US/Western imperialism must be stopped.

You should think about my sarcastic shit post a little bit longer.
 
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