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Socialism |OT| The Dawn of a Red Era

Oct 25, 2017
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Revelation 3:15-16
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

AMEM!
 
Oct 27, 2017
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What publications do you guys read? I'd like to get a different perspective on current events, and you guys don't seem likely to recommend me stuff like apologia for oppressive autocrats or the ramblings of an aging discordian.
 
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Mar 4, 2018
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Revelation 3:15-16
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

AMEM!
James 5:1-6
Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.
People tend to forget Jesus was pretty socialist, and the early spread of Christianity can likely be attributed to its robust social safety net on top of its religious content. I tend to think of that as connected to keeping the faith.

It really is amazing and dismaying how much the marriage of religion to power across time have manage to obscure that.
 
Mar 4, 2018
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What publications do you guys read? I'd like to get a different perspective on current events, and you guys don't seem likely to recommend me stuff like apologia for oppressive autocrats or the ramblings of an aging discordian.
If you're OK with not just strict socialism, Abdullah Ocalan's work on democratic confederalism and Murray Bookchin's work on libertarian municipalism are things I'm always gonna recommend.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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So much for current events. You don't seem to be the blog/Jacobin kinda guy, though, I can tell. :P I've been putting off Sartre for a while, now. I can dig him up out've my backlog. Zizek is a guy that's so well known I've always figured he was some kind of pop-philosopher until I noticed Capitalist Realism referenced him heavily.

Once when I was a kid I read a dumbed down, child's version of Arthurian legends. I wonder if I can find Das Kapital for a similar age range... 🤔

If you're OK with not just strict socialism, Abdullah Ocalan's work on democratic confederalism and Murray Bookchin's work on libertarian municipalism are things I'm always gonna recommend.
Yeah, I'm pretty much down for anything. Libertarian socialism, anarchism, municipalism, whatever. As long as it's not too difficult of a read; I'm trying to work my way up.
 
Jan 15, 2018
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I posted a thread about this a few days ago that didn't get too much attention, but it seems like another revolutionary socialist group in the US of the Trotskyist denomination has collapsed due to allegations of a rape cover up in the national committee a few years ago,

https://socialistworker.org/2019/03/15/letter-to-the-iso-membership

As this letter was being drafted, the SC (as well as several members of the National Committee (NC) and several socialist feminist allies) received a document from a former member (FM from here forward) on March 11, detailing the ways in which the 2013 SC had badly mishandled an allegation of rape in 2013. Moreover, the document explained that the respondent in the allegation had recently been elected to our SC at this year’s convention. FM was on the National Disciplinary Committee (NDC) that originally heard the case. FM’s account has been corroborated by other members of the NDC at that time who remain active members of the organization. We are grateful to FM for having taken the time to write this and reach out to us. FM also copied on the e-mail allies outside of the ISO whom we have worked in socialist-feminist and queer activism.
Unless you live around a major college campus, you probably haven't interacted with the ISO, but in places like Columbus, Ohio they're one of the largest socialist groups in the city next to the DSA.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So much for current events. You don't seem to be the blog/Jacobin kinda guy, though, I can tell. :P I've been putting off Sartre for a while, now. I can dig him up out've my backlog. Zizek is a guy that's so well known I've always figured he was some kind of pop-philosopher until I noticed Capitalist Realism referenced him heavily.

Once when I was a kid I read a dumbed down, child's version of Arthurian legends. I wonder if I can find Das Kapital for a similar age range... 🤔


Yeah, I'm pretty much down for anything. Libertarian socialism, anarchism, municipalism, whatever. As long as it's not too difficult of a read; I'm trying to work my way up.
there's a full course on youtube of david harvey teaching the capital, but yeah its not an easy job

I posted a thread about this a few days ago that didn't get too much attention, but it seems like another revolutionary socialist group in the US of the Trotskyist denomination has collapsed due to allegations of a rape cover up in the national committee a few years ago,

https://socialistworker.org/2019/03/15/letter-to-the-iso-membership



Unless you live around a major college campus, you probably haven't interacted with the ISO, but in places like Columbus, Ohio they're one of the largest socialist groups in the city next to the DSA.
that sucks to hear, the group sucked though they deserved this collapse.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The only left blog I actually read is thenextrecession.com which is a Marxist economics blog. I enjoy economics a tad but it’s not for everyone. It doesn’t go deep into the ideology part of the movement but focuses on analyzing and critiquing capitalist economies and capitalist economic policy.
 
Why is Sartre preferred over Camus? Or is it just personal?
I don't agree with Camus' solipsistic outlook. Sartre's "anguish of man" still applies to a modern day setting. Camus didn't believe in revolutionary violence, Sartre did, to the point where he may have influenced the likes of Pol Pot. Camus made the same mistake of assuming that things like the Gulags and Terror were Revolutionary violence when in they were instead Institutional. Sartre was the opposite.

That said, Camus' position on what constitutes absolute freedom is what I agree with.

But ultimately, as mentioned above, the ideas of Sartre apply heavily today, especially with the concept of crafting identity to give ourselves more significance and the concept of oppression.

Camus is too hot and monopolizes the ladies.
FWIW, Sartre was also apparently a god damn sex maniac.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I don't mind talking about Brexit. I'm an outsider but I've been following for a while now as best I can.
ok, so far from what i undestand
- May tried to vote her deal for the third time, then she got blocked to do vote.
- May tried to postpone and EU talked she needed a deal.
- Then something happened that pissed off people, i think May called the IG and corbyn to talk, and somehow people are more angry against him for quitting because of the IG.

So my questions:
what can be done since you can't vote a deal, will something be done to stop brexit, what are the options? Why people are angry to corbyn when the conservatives have the majority and controls the parliament its the usual corbyn hatters? i understand tha corbyn is pro brexit, but i remember to read that labour and himself would propose to vote for remain a week ago, what happened? What is the likely outcome of all this?
 
Oct 26, 2017
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what can be done since you can't vote a deal, will something be done to stop brexit, what are the options?
Flaff about until no deal Brexit happens by default. They can always call the whole thing off (Revoking Article 50). They most likely won't because it's political suicide.
Why people are angry to corbyn when the conservatives have the majority and controls the parliament its the usual corbyn hatters?
Corbyn has been a long-time bogeyman of British politics. Tory hates him because he's a socialist. Blairites (the center-left branch of Labour) hates him because he's a socialist. Remain backers and non-Blairite Labour are mad at him because they feel he didn't push for Remain strong enough, that he should've been the one to fight for Remain. They looked to him for leadership on this and they feel he let them down (because Labour is about half Leavers I think?)
i understand tha corbyn is pro brexit
Corbyn is a "euroskeptic" because he sees the EU as a neoliberal institution and in a sense he's right, but his perspective on this is about 2 decades out of date. Right now he probably knows Brexit is a bad idea because it would be ruinous for Britons.
but i remember to read that labour and himself would propose to vote for remain a week ago, what happened?
I don't remember this but he's probably still working on it.

FT says they're still pushing for it though: https://www.ft.com/content/996085ee-49a3-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc62
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https://www.ft.com/content/996085ee-49a3-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc62

Jeremy Corbyn is expected to throw his weight in the coming days behind a proposal to hold a referendum on the UK government’s Brexit deal. The Labour leader is backing an amendment by two of his party’s MPs that would put any deal to the public for a “confirmatory referendum” after it is approved by parliament. The move by Mr Corbyn, a Eurosceptic of long standing, is in large part an attempt to mollify his party’s mainly pro-EU members.
What is the likely outcome of all this?
I would only bet money on no-deal Brexit but I do have hope that it can be averted.

Article 50, total unconditional Brexit, triggers automatically on the 29th, so it's coming down to the wire, basically.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Flaff about until no deal Brexit happens by default. They can always call the whole thing off (Revoking Article 50). They most likely won't because it's political suicide.

Corbyn has been a long-time bogeyman of British politics. Tory hates him because he's a socialist. Blairites (the center-left branch of Labour) hates him because he's a socialist. Remain backers and non-Blairite Labour are made at him because they feel he didn't push for Remain strong enough, that he should've been the one to fight for Remain. They looked to him for leadership on this and they feel he let them down (because Labour is about half Leavers I think?)

Corbyn is a "euroskeptic" because he sees the EU as a neoliberal institution and in a sense he's right, but his perspective on this is about 2 decades out of date. Right now he probably knows Brexit is a bad idea because it would be ruinous for Britons.

I don't remember this but he's probably still working on it.

FT says they're still pushing for it though: https://www.ft.com/content/996085ee-49a3-11e9-bbc9-6917dce3dc62


I would only bet money on no-deal Brexit but I do have hope that it can be averted.

Article 50, total unconditional Brexit, triggers automatically on the 29th, so it's coming down to the wire, basically.
thx samoyed
 
It’s a total fucking shitshow is what it is. Somehow it’s managed to find the perfect combination of conflicting factors that there are a whole bunch of different factions who all separate and overlap in different ways juuuuust so that there is no one coalition that can form enough support to get something through parliament. So long as Brexit isn’t resolved, our political system is frozen in place, unable to get anything done. And this just around the corner from the next big recession.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The best part of that clip is when they bust out the manga adaptation of Capital because some youth are unfamiliar with the kanji used in the formal translation of Capital.

An honest reflection of the reality of modern teaching about Marx.