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Revolutionary socialists aren't in favor of the Second Amendment. They're in favor of arming the proletariat specifically. The bourgeoisie would not have the right to weapons under the dictatorship of the proletariat, I suspect.
Or to put it another way, I've seen it said: "I support gun control, if by that you mean giving communists control of the guns."
Or to put it another way, I've seen it said: "I support gun control, if by that you mean giving communists control of the guns."
would...would there be a bourgeoisie in a dictatorship of the proletariat?
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It's possible, sure. If the proletariat seizes power, that doesn't mean that everything immediately changes.
I don't think the USSR properly achieved DoP status due to their elections not being free/fair, but let's say for a moment hypothetically that they were. Bourgeois elements still existed. The NEPmen were growing in the 20s. The government controlled the "commanding heights" but still allowed private ventures until Stalin's five year plans. The DoP isn't synonymous with socialism - its a state structure trying to complete the revolutionary transfer of power and control.
Given Jefferson's ideal of the free, self sufficient, yeoman farmer I think he considered himself as part of the proletariat and/or representing the proletariat.
And not, you know, a slave-owning landlord.
A lot of the ideation back then had to do with a dream of self-determinism, of a man living off of his own labor on his own land without a coercive aristocracy, and this might've passed for a primitive socialism. At least that's how I understand it. In so far the state was necessary to maintain property rights, the 2nd would've empowered civilians to seize the mandate of governance whenever they felt like it the state overstepped its bounds.
(Narrator: They never did)
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the revolutionaries are divided in this regard at least over here, i will quote an argument i heard " weapons are expensive (here) and who will have access to them will not be the proleteariat, but rich people that will use guns to kill most of the times poor people, until the country is ready for a revolution it would be stupid to defend weapons, you are just giving weapons to the bourgeoise."
edit: btw i dont like to use the term revolutionary like that, every socialist is revolutionary.
edit: btw i dont like to use the term revolutionary like that, every socialist is revolutionary.
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It's a bookshop, not a libary. You bring shame upon all of us, comrade. Back to the Gulag with you. 😝
Whenever I get too deep into "we're all going to die" territory I read some zany LaRouche shit about the queen of England and feel a little better.
I have a rotation of pseudoscience and cults I read about for similar reasons. Yunno, at first, the reptilians things sounds so fucking crazy-- but it's like a mile wide and an inch deep, there's no there there. LaRouche goes into the foreverspace with his conspiracy, he's pretty good.
Recently I read Peter Reich's A Book of Dreams, a story about Wilhelm Reich's son. It's a story with increasing layers as you read more and more about Wilhelm Reich from sources that aren't his son. It goes from being a sad reflection on a wild visionary that spawned a Kate Bush song to a fascinating story about reflection, cults, and how government overreach can make martyrs out of some people who really don't need the help.
My mind hasn't changed since then. If we assume capitalism is irrevocably a failure, even if MMT "doesn't work", if it's enough to get people to sign on board with some left policies we should make use of it. It's not like austerity works either. Whatever it takes to improve the life of workers/working class.
To each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
That they think this site is a viable idea is almost endearing in a way.
Came here about to link it. OP was so far up his ass that he got banned. Amazing.
Love the people defending him. "He pays her the bare minimum so he gets to dictate her life." I'll repost what I put there:
It's the transitional state where the bourgeoisie would be, at best, declassed.
Weapons are (relatively) pretty cheap. Couple years back I bought an AK for $300
Elections are bourgeois, so yeah, you're right. Lenin never characterize the NEP, or Soviet Russia under his leadership, as Socialist. Small to medium sized businesses still existed under Stalin.
The Dictatorship of the Proletariat is proletarian State power, but not merely the seizing of the bourgeois state and placing it into the hands of the proletariat. That simply changes the class character of the proletariat into something else. The DOP is the expression of the proletarian state in flux, the dismantling of capital relations though they still exist.
The USSR was the latter for a very brief moment of time. Once the Soviet's collapsed and the proletarian class ceased to exist in the USSR so did the DOP, and so was the advent of the NEP and Lenin's State Capitalism.
minimum income in dollars is +/- 260,00 over here, add tax, permission, training.
Things that don't matter when workers go from being armed as a hobby to being armed as a means of existence.
I'm having difficulty parsing this. What does it look like as a concrete society?
Marxists will point to Soviet Russia prior to the dismantling of the Soviets as well as the Paris and Shanghai Communes.
Anyone have examples of Marxist/Socialist iconography besides the hammer and sickle? I'm trying to get a custom hat made but I worry just using the hammer and sickle will make me look like a tankie, so I just wondered if there were other options.
Oh my God he's armed.
Don't know much about early Soviet history, but didn't those two communes last about a month or two at best?
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Oh no, I came off of that thing years ago.
The Soviets in the Russian SFSR didn't last much longer either.
Oh relax it's just to wear at work. I think I'll go with a raised fist symbol instead anyway.
No, never mind, sounds like a great idea. You should do it.
take a look in the rage against the machine shirts
https://www.google.com/search?q=rag...yv3gAhWoHrkGHaSbC1sQ_AUIDygC&biw=1366&bih=645
edit: hats
https://www.google.com/search?q=rag...zP3gAhV1EbkGHa0xCCcQ_AUIDygC&biw=1366&bih=645
People who work in kitchens tend to be very politically left and very pro labor so either option would go over better than you think.
Thanks!
The bourgeoisie wouldn't exist under the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Concentrated power, be it in the name of the 'people' or not, is best avoided. Any concentrated power would restrict gun ownership without significant power to oppose such a move.
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It wouldn't exist under socialism but it can still exist in limited form under the DoP until full socialism is achieved.
How, exactly? Are you saying a DoP wouldn't immediately abolish private property?
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The national socialist who shot up a New Zealand mosque cites the Chinese Communist Party and their nationalist, socialist, and ethnic based political structure as one of his many inspirations.