my sugestion for the thread, i think its better if someone else posted i'm already in some block lists and some people might be wary/agressive about me after my fights in the last thread, feel free to change anything.
I want so badly to respond to posts in threads like that but I worry I'm out of my element, I'm a relative baby as far as being a lefty goes only really gaining proper understanding of it like early last year. Mostly my frustration is with people who are adamant that communism must exist with an authoritarian government. When people try to say we don't have to do things that way they just deflect and refuse to engage with what's being said. Seems like a bunch of people who've just decided for themselves that it'll never work and are unwilling to give any consideration whatsoever to further research or discussion.
yeah i know, kinda forgot that today with the offenses and red scareYou DON'T HAVE to. No, seriously. In fact, it's probably better if you don't because you run the risk of getting warned/banned if you get too heated.
And it's like...this is a board. What you say here literally means nothing, unless you have an intrinsic understanding of how to educate others. That's not something you do by arguing, specially something as pie-in-sky as socialism is to many.
my sugestion for the thread, i think its better if someone else posted i'm already in some block lists and some people might be wary/agressive about me after my fights in the last thread, feel free to change anything
Title: Lets read! The Origins of the Family, Private Property and the State by Friedrich Engels [Marxist Book Club]
Started "Socialism Utopian and Scientific" btw. Haven't gotten very far though.I've recommended dozens of things to read in this thread and I think samoyed is the only person who ever did so so why bother participating in a new thread?
Started "Socialism Utopian and Scientific" btw. Haven't gotten very far though.
Having seen book clubs come and go on GAF, I would advise against it. Not because I believe it's a bad idea, but because I believe it's unsustainable. People don't have that much patience. A 40 minute YouTube video is pushing it for them. Hours of reading is not going to get very far.
Alternative: Open discussion about this or that theory/concept which is mentioned in a book, together with a summary of the authors' main points, some excerpts, and some recommended readings.
OOF I felt this poastOn that note, if you're in a Socialist thread and you haven't actually even read Capital or Critique then what are you even doing?
some people like to read together and discuss and to have someone to do questions and share analysis, like an incentive to people, and its never bad to read againI've recommended dozens of things to read in this thread and I think samoyed is the only person who ever did so so why bother participating in a new thread?
whenever you wantWhen do you want to start it? Sooner is probably better. It's a short book but still around 100 pages on Marxists.org. Online book clubs seem to need plenty of time or else people quickly get overwhelmed and disappear.
i think its better to start with the basic, because i see people that want to start to read but doesnt know how and dont have no one to discuss togetherStarted "Socialism Utopian and Scientific" btw. Haven't gotten very far though.
Having seen book clubs come and go on GAF, I would advise against it. Not because I believe it's a bad idea, but because I believe it's unsustainable. People don't have that much patience. A 40 minute YouTube video is pushing it for them. Hours of reading is not going to get very far.
Alternative: Open discussion about this or that theory/concept which is mentioned in a book, together with a summary of the authors' main points, some excerpts, and some recommended readings.
How about we bring ideas out to the EctEra mainstream?
Like...we decide on a topic, flesh it out into an idea that ERA would be interested in discussing, and post it separately? Or would that just defeat the purpose of this thread?
I've recommended dozens of things to read in this thread and I think samoyed is the only person who ever did so so why bother participating in a new thread?
I don't read IRL I prefer to piece an understanding of the world together from sugar packets.
Started "Socialism Utopian and Scientific" btw. Haven't gotten very far though.
Having seen book clubs come and go on GAF, I would advise against it. Not because I believe it's a bad idea, but because I believe it's unsustainable. People don't have that much patience. A 40 minute YouTube video is pushing it for them. Hours of reading is not going to get very far.
Alternative: Open discussion about this or that theory/concept which is mentioned in a book, together with a summary of the authors' main points, some excerpts, and some recommended readings.
I have read Socialism, Utopian and Scientific, but I have barely read anything else. I've read The Communist Manifesto, and that's it I think?This is the Socialism, Utopian and Scientific PDF I'm reading: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Engels_Socialism_Utopian_and_Scientific.pdf
Marxists.org has a lot of canonical texts you don't need to give money to capitalist pigs for.
There's also the Grundrisse which is on my to-read list: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1857/grundrisse/
As a self-labeled Marxist that has read more of Piketty's Capital in the 21st Century than Das Kapital, I'm a bit of a failure as a revolutionary.
House would probably also have you read Gundrisse and Critique of the Gotha Program.I have read Socialism, Utopian and Scientific, but I have barely read anything else. I've read The Communist Manifesto, and that's it I think?
There but for the grace of God.
Out of curiosity, what did you think we did?I had such a different image of what self-proclaimed socialists were.
This thread is...eye-opening.
I claim to be a socialist because I support a workers' revolution, not because I'm well-read or anything =PI had such a different image of what self-proclaimed socialists were.
This thread is...eye-opening.
I had such a different image of what self-proclaimed socialists were.
This thread is...eye-opening.
Eating corn while discussing Marx writings we never read.
I definitely need to engage in activism, I guess I just need to figure out how.I don't know I guess I expected more activism and organizing and less feeling like if you don't say words like Marxist-Revolutionary Leninist Anarcho-Praxis or w/e then you're not really engaging in the conversation.
And I realize you don't really intend it to be this way, but that's how it reads to me.
Yes, you're not wrong. This captures a lot of internet socialists, including us. The activism happens in the real world, not in forums. Antifa, running for office, unionizing, volunteering, protests, etc.I don't know I guess I expected more activism and organizing and less feeling like if you don't say words like Marxist-Revolutionary Leninist Anarcho-Praxis or w/e then you're not really engaging in the conversation.
And I realize you don't really intend it to be this way, but that's how it reads to me.
I don't know I guess I expected more activism and organizing and less feeling like if you don't say words like Marxist-Revolutionary Leninist Anarcho-Praxis or w/e then you're not really engaging in the conversation.
I don't know I guess I expected more activism and organizing and less feeling like if you don't say words like Marxist-Revolutionary Leninist Anarcho-Praxis or w/e then you're not really engaging in the conversation.
And I realize you don't really intend it to be this way, but that's how it reads to me.
I'm supportive of both, I'm not an authority here. There's always value to be found outside of Marx and Engels.That reminds me, if we're talking about the Canon, we should probably actually include the bread book. Maybe some Bakunin on the side-- any thoughts on that? I'm always stanning for Bookchin but maybe (more like definitely) those two should come first.
in socialism the industry will still exists, but the workers would own it, in the game industry game developers would determine how, what, when, and since they dont need to care for profit to exist or any CEO, they would create art without the pressure to create lootbox, microtransactions or have crunch.
Sure you have different ideas of how a post-capitalist society would work, but that's not something to far of what most socialists agree.
that would be a book i wouldnt be surprised if khrushchev wrote and is hidden somewhere