Taking a glance, yeah, dumpster fire.
In another thread I had a person call for my banning for criticizing cops, lol. #NotAllCops
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Taking a glance, yeah, dumpster fire.
In another thread I had a person call for my banning for criticizing cops, lol. #NotAllCops
I was reading a second wave feminist book on feminism in marxist movement and it frequently discussed ultraleft vs. reactionary left, especially in early marxist movments leading up to and surrounding Leninism. I was wondering if there was a more modern summary of the ultraleft in a modern context. I try to be nonsectarian because I believe that Marxism, like any other scientific approach to the aspects of nature they seek to uncover, is a system of addressing issues rather than having a presupposed model of a system and then fitting already existing systems into it, which is unscientific. However, being someone who believes in the abolishment of the state, borders, money, and frankly any social institution which institutes power structures, it seems to be closest to what I believe, but I understand it's a dirty word in some contexts.
Horseshoe theory is the liberal's favorite conduit for gaslighting the left. They treat it like it's fundamentally sound and objectively logical, but it's patently reductive and maliciously slanderous.
Horseshoe theory is the liberal's favorite conduit for gaslighting the left. They treat it like it's fundamentally sound and objectively logical, but it's actually patently reductive and maliciously slanderous. They want any means to compare us to those mass shooting racists to shut down leftist critique.
Horseshoe theory is the liberal's favorite conduit for gaslighting the left. They treat it like it's fundamentally sound and objectively logical, but it's actually patently reductive and maliciously slanderous. They want any means to compare us to those mass shooting racists to shut down leftist critique.
There is an inherent privilege, I feel, in being able to feel concerned about a candidate in a country where the most they could realistically do is create stronger welfare and socialized healthcare/college.
And that's a BIG maybe. America is very much a capitalist nation, and will continue to be.
Meanwhile, there are people being caged and separated from their children, shooters popping up to kill people on a daily basis (some of them to specifically kill brown people), police consistently killing black people, Hawaiians having to stave off colonizers (again), Puerto Ricans having to fight for welfare scraps and money hungry banks.
The concern, and consequent interest in creating parallels to Trump, tells a story of where many American interests lie—sequestered by those with access and stability.
And that's a BIG maybe. America is very much a capitalist nation, and will continue to be.
Meanwhile, there are people being caged and separated from their children, shooters popping up to kill people on a daily basis (some of them to specifically kill brown people), police consistently killing black people, Hawaiians having to stave off colonizers (again), Puerto Ricans having to fight for welfare scraps and money hungry banks.
The concern, and consequent interest in creating parallels to Trump, tells a story of where many American interests lie—sequestered by those with access and stability.
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Sometimes I wonder if a General Strike is something that could even happen in Neo-Liberal countries like the US, UK and Australia anymore. The last time one happened in Australia was 102 years ago.
Edit: Lots of bans being handed out for guillotine references in a new anti-capitalism thread.
Edit: Lots of bans being handed out for guillotine references in a new anti-capitalism thread.
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I got banned for posting a guillotine a while ago, lol. Really made me realize how liberal this place is.
As I've mentioned before, I don't have confidence in popular uprisings being able to implement a stable form of socialism and I'm very much against capital punishment, but that said I don't think I'd have even a second of empathy if the Koch brothers were dragged out of their mansions and shot in the street.
You could probably trot out the ol' the tree of liberty is watered with the blood of tyrants chestnut and cop a ban these days, feels like.
This thread's probably gonna be moving slow because of it, that's how many people got banned. We really should caution people to... just not with the guillotine references. Way too easy to catch a ban, and honestly, it's probably just bad tactics/optics. The fash is ascendant and is looking for a reason to criminalize the left. It sounds ridiculous to think that clearly hyperbolic posts like these could be used as examples in a legislative crusade against the left... but it's not really any more stupid than trying to pretend antifa's a single group and then labeling that a hate group, now is it.
If you're a genuine revsoc or insurrectionist, the worst thing you can possibly do right now is post that kind of sentiment where just anybody can see it. You can talk shit about propaganda of the deed or praise it all day and night, but one thing's certain and that's the fact that it's significantly better than the propaganda of things we say we're going to do but probably don't intend to do but some of us might wish we could but probably never will. Especially given this venue. Reset "games could never exist under socialism" ERA might not be the place for that to be effective agitprop.
If you're NOT a genuine revsoc... the visual of the guillotine really shouldn't have any allure for you in the first place. The Terror fuckin' sucked.
If you're a genuine revsoc or insurrectionist, the worst thing you can possibly do right now is post that kind of sentiment where just anybody can see it. You can talk shit about propaganda of the deed or praise it all day and night, but one thing's certain and that's the fact that it's significantly better than the propaganda of things we say we're going to do but probably don't intend to do but some of us might wish we could but probably never will. Especially given this venue. Reset "games could never exist under socialism" ERA might not be the place for that to be effective agitprop.
If you're NOT a genuine revsoc... the visual of the guillotine really shouldn't have any allure for you in the first place. The Terror fuckin' sucked.
As a young journalist Marx was writing about the enclosure of forest estates in Germany and the expulsion/prosecution of the peasantry who attempted to continue their traditional land use patterns; it's often seen as a sort of turning point in his career. What's important to stress however is what took place wasn't necessarily as direct as capitalists forcing people to become their wage labourers. Rather we see varied and gradual processes in a number of contexts creating conditions that enable the existence of a working class, but this is still distinct from the sort of teleological efficiency narrative you mentioned.
In addition to Marx, E.P. Thompson's The Making of the English Working Class and Polanyi's The Great Transformation are some of the big ones on this topic (at least for a European context). Obviously all of these works are varying degrees of dated, disputed etc...
Eh, it's only three bans and it's just for one week.
I don't think anybody is serious about guillotine posting, it's just a hyperbolic way for leftists to express their frustration at the ruling class. Liberals are however perfectly willing to sit around and wait while climate change and economic instability lead to a new age of fascism. The wealthy are just going to build superdomes or whatever while everyone else dies.
I got told "eat the rich" is okay but guillotine posting is not. I guess hyperbole is fine when people don't want to be reminded of the context of a 200 year old revolution.
See above, lol.
Fair enough. I'd say, given the context I've read it in, there's some people who are genuinely kinda thirsty for guillotines. We don't tolerate tankies here, so it's not as widespread here, but in places like r/LSC I've definitely seen a bunch of people going WAY beyond guillotines, especially before Reddit gave a shit about quarantines.
A heads up on the whole "the wealthy are gonna build superdomes" thing though. The rich are going to try, and they're going to fail. Ultimately, the rich are shockingly incompetent at trying to create functional enclaves outside of society. If you ever doubt that the rich are parasitic, really give a look at how they function outside of the society they prey on. They hardly do at all.
Everyone remembers that one article where they were trying to plan out how they were going to survive the apocalypse, and honestly? Their plans are dogshit. People trying to automate away apocalyptic survival are in for a nasty surprise. Even the sci-fi stuff is dogshit. If the rich want to escape the dying planet for Mars, they're going to learn a harsh and frankly nightmarish lesson about risk modeling. Put frankly, if the multiply redundant beauty of Earth isn't enough to save us, a thin line of technological replacements aren't going to last twenty years. Using drones to protect yourself as a continuous measure is similarly idiotic.
You shouldn't be posting public sentiments of violence on a forum that's full of people with mental illness and minorities anyways.
You might blackpill someone or worse.
Secondly, this place is...observed...by deplorables and the more you signal sentiments like that, the more eyes that concentrate here. Then no one will be safe.
You might blackpill someone or worse.
Secondly, this place is...observed...by deplorables and the more you signal sentiments like that, the more eyes that concentrate here. Then no one will be safe.
Oh man someone actually used the 'the more stuff the government does the more socialist-y it is' argument in 2019
That is one hell of a twist. Wasn't expecting that ending.
Establishment religions can't be utopian, or at all opposed to the public order. Once Mormons found their place to live in peace most of the weirder things (bar polygamy, which fits into the patriarchal structure of wider society anyway) went by the wayside, and you're only left with quirks that are still somewhat mainstream (like temperance). Once you find your niche and a bit of political power to go with it, ambitious doctrine goes bye bye.
These days, property damage and obstruction of movement seems to be enough to strike fear in the hearts of the rich anyway. Not much need to go further until they escalate it.
Has definitely turned out better than I expected.
As opposed to the Bernie and biased media thread, yeah that one was cool. I like to see leftist era stretch their legs rather than have to play defense from a bunch of obtuse disingenuous posts.
Might be Venezuela, which is ostensibly socialist and definitely hell.
The most brain dead commentary I've heard this entire week outside of the barstool twitter fiasco
DSA has an intersectionality problem because about a quarter of it are minority leftists and 3/4ths it are white leftists. (Numbers from my ass)
Historically, white leftists have had a "race doesn't matter, only class" problem which is offputting to minorities. A lot of that still exists but it's gotten better in recent years. DSA being a big tent caucus means you have a lot of class purists alongside a lot of intersectional socialists.
Some leftists are also white supremacists/in denial about being white supremacists.
Historically, white leftists have had a "race doesn't matter, only class" problem which is offputting to minorities. A lot of that still exists but it's gotten better in recent years. DSA being a big tent caucus means you have a lot of class purists alongside a lot of intersectional socialists.
Some leftists are also white supremacists/in denial about being white supremacists.
There's been times in history when union and socialist movements in America failed to form solidarity with minorities and hobbled themselves into inevitable failure and it's because of dense folks like this.
In this case representation matters doubly so for people in his position. Having DSA in your handle and saying these things... extremely bad look.
How any supposedly learned modern socialist can still be this blind is telling of how deeply overriding white identity and racism is in America.
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Yeah I mean a lot of the people replying are full parentheses putting stefan molyneux, retweeting cunts that are hardly leftists. Not to say you can't be a leftist and also be a racist, white supremacist etc. but the replying people at least just seem to love shitting on minorities whatever the side.
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It's an odd occurrence considering how much transformative work black people have been doing for YEARS. Even before any of us were born.
There's something to be said about the voices that gain notoriety/capital in socialist circles. If I wanted discussions centered around white voices, I'd have my choices of being a full blown conservative capitalist or a liberal capitalist.
Don't want to see the same thing even in discussions that center around freedom and fairness—which are subjects that black, indigenous and any other minority NEED to have a seat at the table for.
There's something to be said about the voices that gain notoriety/capital in socialist circles. If I wanted discussions centered around white voices, I'd have my choices of being a full blown conservative capitalist or a liberal capitalist.
Don't want to see the same thing even in discussions that center around freedom and fairness—which are subjects that black, indigenous and any other minority NEED to have a seat at the table for.
For sure but a lot of the people replying are full on Trumpers that I guess just follow this dude because they love his racist commentary.
Also ignoring black socialists in history is not uncommon. Most white liberals who yell "intersectionality" today probably don't know that intersectionality as a concept was developed by black feminist. Even a lot of black pundits are not aware of the streaks of socialism in the civil rights movement.
The irony of cheering on intersectionality and capitalism completely escapes these people because ideology for them is not about respecting history, it's about tribalism and team sports.
The irony of cheering on intersectionality and capitalism completely escapes these people because ideology for them is not about respecting history, it's about tribalism and team sports.
One rando can turn a few people away. A bunch of randos... is already across the line of what I can tolerate.
Well they're loudly broadcasting that they're DSA, and even have the little rose emoji. So it seemed pertinent for me to ask who this person was and why they were saying the the things they were. And more importantly, which kind of platform (if any), the DSA was giving this person.
I mean this is kinda the socialist OT, and there's a lot of American members, so...
I mean this is kinda the socialist OT, and there's a lot of American members, so...
lol come on guys that's Michael Peinovich aka 'Mike Enoch' one of the most recognized alt right and white supremacist voices in the US - he is not a member of DSA - https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/michael-enoch-peinovich