Well you're lucky because for some reason Sonic Team loves to put that boss as a final boss in all their games now. It's in Lost World and Forces.
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Sonic bosses are trash
- Thread starter MidnightCowboy
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Well you're lucky because for some reason Sonic Team loves to put that boss as a final boss in all their games now. It's in Lost World and Forces.
I don't feel very strongly about bosses in Sonic games, I agree. The final bosses usually make for good set pieces, but they're not that hard. I was obsessed with Finalhazard in SA2 as a kid though, I think the space setting + Super Sonic + Live & Learn etched a permanent mark on my childhood mind.
I will say though, I think bosses in platformers are usually mediocre all around so I don't think this is a problem exclusive to Sonic. Mario has this problem too, so does Rayman. Tropical Freeze is the only platformer I'd argue had some pretty good bosses (no coincidence since Retro also made the greatest boss battle of all time with Prime 2's Quadraxis), but even then many people will argue that some of those bosses went on too long. When I think of my favorite bosses in video games, almost none of them are from platformers.
I will say though, I think bosses in platformers are usually mediocre all around so I don't think this is a problem exclusive to Sonic. Mario has this problem too, so does Rayman. Tropical Freeze is the only platformer I'd argue had some pretty good bosses (no coincidence since Retro also made the greatest boss battle of all time with Prime 2's Quadraxis), but even then many people will argue that some of those bosses went on too long. When I think of my favorite bosses in video games, almost none of them are from platformers.
Like I said, you can recognize bits and pieces but the way they're put together kinda makes all the difference, and I think that applies here. Sonic Generations was (occasionally) masterful in this regard.
I guess all I really need to say to convey my position is this: S3&K is among my all time favorite games, whereas I don't really care for Sonic Mania.
The funny thing is that even without the view distance the boss is still harder than the MS version. Why they made it harder on top of having the view distance narrower it's a fucking mystery lol
I don't even consider those bosses, just slightly harder enemies lol
It's very strange how people always make sweeping generalizations about the Sonic series. I honestly don't get it, people will play one game, watch one video, maybe even a commercial and make declarations about the entire series. It's how we got people hyping up sonic 4 as a return to form, or people that still think sonic friends are playable. Very annoying. Mania has a few aggressive bosses that seemingly took post hit invincibility into account but not really the norm for the series and not enough to declare sonic bosses trash.
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It's less of a "Sonic Team says" problem and more just "When Morio Kishimoto directs a Sonic game" problem.
Sonic CD and Sonic 3 & Knuckles have especially good bosses IMHO.
Lava Reef boss is a 16-bit all-time great.
Lava Reef boss is a 16-bit all-time great.
I noticed a lot of game critics who maintained that Sonic was never good just so happened to really enjoy Sonic Mania. Them and people who strongly prefer CD (my least favorite of that era) to the other classics.
I so often wonder what it is about our brains that works so differently.
Maybe I've just gotten really good at collecting my rings back after a hit idk. I can imagine ppl finding it stressful but you kinda get used to spindashing across the ground to collect your rings again, timing it with their bounces.
When I see people play Sonic often times I notice how little people utilize spindashes, I can blast out one quick dash and get where I wanna be to save my ass or get a hit in and it feels great.
When I see people play Sonic often times I notice how little people utilize spindashes, I can blast out one quick dash and get where I wanna be to save my ass or get a hit in and it feels great.
I agree the bosses at Sega in charge of Sonic are mishandling the franchise by putting out mediocre titles that scrap all the work of the previous entry instead of building on them to get a better game. How a Sonic Mania sequel wasn't immediately green-lit after the success of both commercially and critically is mind-boggling.
That boss theme is embeded in my brain from listening to it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
A couple times a year I think "ok, I'll play through sonic mania for a second time" and then I get up to the dumb helicopter boss in the studio zone and get a game over and give up. I think I have like 4 save files at that point in the game now.
Sonic bosses are never too hard most of the time. There are a few that are just plain infuriating though.
The bosses in Mania are easily the best they've been in the series overall. Only the end-of-game bosses in S3&K outdo them.
I really liked the runner bosses in Sonic Advance 2. I think it works best for Sonic to be running while fighting a boss as it just suits him and the gameplay than being in a small arena.
Actually I think Sonic Generations had some of the best bosses in the series (Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Egg Dragoon) but also unfortunately one of the worst(Time Eater).
My favorite version of this is the Perfect Chaos boss fight from Sonic Generations.
Actually I think Sonic Generations had some of the best bosses in the series (Metal Sonic, Shadow, Silver, Egg Dragoon) but also unfortunately one of the worst(Time Eater).
i beat that boss on my first try lol
Oil Ocean Zone boss though...
I had to purposely take damage on my ~4th playthrough of Mania just to figure out what people were having trouble with.
i don't think he's hard, he's just frustrating to hit with certain characters.
At least the bosses of Mania look and attack different unlike 2D Mario, like seriously what's the point of giving the Koopalings different attacks if each time you jump on them (which you can do 5 seconds in the fight) they do the same thing: spin around, get out, get hit, repeat
It was especially illuminating to have played through both Sonic Mania and Mario Odyssey for the first time at roughly the same time. When a typical Mario boss more or less draws a big obvious X on the weak point and barely obstructs your ability to hit it, it was refreshing to play a platformer that asked you to actually learn and think about a few patterns at the very least.
i can't actually think of a 2D sonic boss i legitimately enjoy
Generations had some slick ones though, Silver's managed to redeem his whole existence
Generations had some slick ones though, Silver's managed to redeem his whole existence
There are only 2, and it's debatable as to whether one of those actually counts.
My memory was failing me so I looked up a boss run. I was only half remembering, it's not just the all out running type but generally bosses that have a scrolling portion rather than just being set in a more static arena.
People generally do whatever it takes to dunk on even the good Sonic games. It's why we have such a prevalent amount of people on the internet exclaiming "Sonic was never good!" as of late. I don't think Mania is absolutely perfect but I never once thought the boss fights were absolutely awful like some people in this thread. I just don't get it. The boss fights ranged from average to good, nothing really felt, like, bad, y'know?
The premise of this thread is bad. Sonic Mania's weakest point is the bosses and doesn't reflect the Classic games well. The best boss in the game is Weather Eggman from Studiopolis Act 2, which is the closest to a classic Eggman boss. Sonic bosses work best when they're Eggman with something attached to his Eggmobile and you can beat him as fast as you can. Mania tries to do way too much with most bosses.