Sonic Team Racing's Had a Considerable Bump In Quality After Delay

[Giant Enemy Crab]

We are going to see a huge drop in sales compared to past SEGA-Sumo crossovers solely due to the focus on Sonic. Book it.

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I usually would agree but Transformed saw a "huge drop in sales" on consoles because of the N Factor.

Transformed bombed compare to the first episode due to the failure of the Wii U (500K but 1,5 million for the previous game on the Wii) and the end of PS360 era.
Mobile (removed last year) and the outstanding PC version saved Transformed ass overall.

On the other hand Team Sonic Racing sales will probably be disapointing on PS4, XBone (Crash Team is not helping) but it's clear that the Switch version will beat Transformed Wii U. Plus, the leaked mobile version could be huge now the market is mature.In other word, TSR has luck with him.
Sonic Franchise depends on Nintendo consoles and mobiles that why it will probably beat transformed in a few years (sonic launches are weak because those games are long sellers boosted every Xmas). Not even mentionning potential ports on Google, Amazon, Epic (?) devices, consoles, box et cetera.
Market is way bigger now for Sega.


CTR blasted TSR in last year poll. Updated poll

 

[Replicant]

No idea why they ditched the full Sega theme. I quite liked the stages of all the Sega worlds.

 

[Virtua Sanus]

This summer is gonna be the battle between TSR and CTR. And CTR will win.

As much as i love the music and customization in TSR the appeal of Transformed was way more hype. Not to mention transformed had half its budget paid by Nascar. So whats up with TSR? Sega being finnicky with their franchises? Even less budget than transformed?

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I actually think Team Sonic Racing's budget is far beyond Transformed. It has a full story mode, every character (except maybe the chao team?) has extensive new voice work, several composers on board, fully customizable vehicles and none of the characters are slapped together like Reala or Pudding were. It seems like it reuses a lot less assets than past games did too, but it is hard to know that for certain right this moment.

Even though this is by Sumo, the core staff is entirely different. The people that worked on SEGA Superstars Tennis, ASR and Transformed were on Crackdown 3 during the development of Team Sonic Racing AFAIK.

 

[Mugy]

Looks stunning really. SEGA team racing is one of the three best kart racing ever for me (the other two being MK Wii and CTR), so 'im all up for this. The OST of the previous one was also absolutely great. I personally don't think CTR nitro fueled its gonna be close to this one (but im sure its still gonna be good), since Sumo Digital are master in the genre by now.

 

[Giant Enemy Crab]

Even though this is by Sumo, the core staff is entirely different. The people that worked on SEGA Superstars Tennis, ASR and Transformed were on Crackdown 3 during the development of Team Sonic Racing AFAIK.

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And now they are back on TSR ?

 

[Meowmixez]

The only character I dislike that's on the roster is Zavok, because he's lame as fuck. Otherwise, I wish they had even more playable characters like Cream, Espio, Charmy, Mighty, Ray, Bark, Bean, and Fang/Knack.

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They need those characters to be DLC.

 

[Village]

They need those characters to be DLC.

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There seems to be a classic modern hard spllit in branding now. So mighty, ray, bark bean fang are probs off the table.

Chaos, Espio, cream, charmy, emril, Jet, wave and... the big gray one who's name I forget probs

 

[Virtua Sanus]

And now they are back on TSR ?

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Perhaps, but any impact they could have at this point is very limited. I am sure Crackdown 3 is still going to get future updates too.

 

[Yukinari]

There seems to be a classic modern hard spllit in branding now. So mighty, ray, bark bean fang are probs off the table.

Chaos, Espio, cream, charmy, emril, Jet, wave and... the big gray one who's name I forget probs

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Its crazy how opposed Izuka is to keeping Mighty and Ray out of modern stuff when they had no issue shoehorning Classic Sonic into Forces where he didnt belong.

 

[Meowmixez]

There seems to be a classic modern hard spllit in branding now. So mighty, ray, bark bean fang are probs off the table.

Chaos, Espio, cream, charmy, emril, Jet, wave and... the big gray one who's name I forget probs

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Old school characters like Mighty and Ray would give it a good flavor and it is a good tie in with Sonic Mania.

 

[Rotobit]

they should absolutely do a Classic DLC pack with Ray, Mighty, and I guess Classic Sonic to round it out, though I'd prefer someone like Fang or one of the Hard Boiled Heavies. In terms of modern, throw in Cream, Chaos, E-102 Gamma, Tikal, Espio, and Emerl. I'm fine without Charmy.

But yeah this game looks great and I'm glad they gave it the time it deserved. I appreciate that during the stream they mentioned the ability to play standard races, too, since that seemed to turn a lot of people off on a surface level

I also dunno why it has to be a fight with CTR. I am mainly interested in TSR, but it's fun to have multiple kart racers on the market again. It's not like CTR, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mickey's Speedway couldn't co-exist back in the day.

 

[Red Arremer]

the big gray one who's name I forget probs

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Storm.

 

[Village]

Its crazy how opposed Izuka is to keeping Mighty and Ray out of modern stuff when they had no issue shoehorning Classic Sonic into Forces where he didnt belong.

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To be fair, and by fair I mean " Acknowledging how fucked up forces is " I don't think classic sonic was originally supposed to be in that game, the game very much functions with out him, but more so than that. I just think that game was supposed to be a very different video game, they couldn't make that video game. The video game they had at that moment may have not been what the common perception of a complete video game was, at least in their heads and probably went " Hey they liked classic sonic we can do some of that " and lego-ed together some genuinely unfun classic sonic levels with fucked up physics ".

Old school characters like Mighty and Ray would give it a good flavor and it is a good tie in with Sonic Mania.

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There's a classic modern split n the branding, nothing else I can say here.

I also dunno why it has to be a fight with CTR. I am mainly interested in TSR, but it's fun to have multiple kart racers on the market again. It's not like CTR, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mickey's Speedway couldn't co-exist back in the day.

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because people like drama I think. I myself am more interested in team sonic racing, I like sonic more and the only crash character in that game I wanna play is coco ( hot take : I think that's the same for most people ). That said I hope they both do well because racing games in general have been uh... dry for a while in a lot of respects

 

[Sidewinder]

Those are some good news indeed! Now I'll probably have to buy both though, sucks for my wallet ;(

 

[Jaded Alyx]

The team racing mechanics seem too fiddly for a casual racing game with friends, and too frustrating solo.

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You don't have to do team racing.

 

[Giant Enemy Crab]

because people like drama I think

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Exactly, a "why not both" thread is so boring ;)

 

[Cogniferous]

Game looks great, day one release for me. I just hope it's 60fps on the base PS4. I'm hoping for some cool DLC too. Team Hard Boiled Heavies FTW!

 

[Camjo-Z]

I also dunno why it has to be a fight with CTR. I am mainly interested in TSR, but it's fun to have multiple kart racers on the market again. It's not like CTR, Mario Kart 64, Diddy Kong Racing, and Mickey's Speedway couldn't co-exist back in the day.

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For some, the console wars never ended.

 

[Jahranimo]

Yeah honestly despite my pessimism from the initial SXSW thread I did enjoy the event. This was one my highlights. Game is looking like a true Sumo Digital racer!

I'll live with the roster. I really just wanna see Switch direct-feed footage and confirm the FPS on that version.

 

[Cogniferous]

TSR seems to be getting the same budget release price as Forces did. I've just found it in the UK for £26 which is roughly $35. For that little it's practically a no-brainer.

 

[JigglesBunny]

Gonna be better than Crash. Quote me

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Nintendo could fuck around and drop MK9 this year and put both of them in the grave.

 

[ckareset]

TSR seems to be getting the same budget release price as Forces did. I've just found it in the UK for £26 which is roughly $35. For that little it's practically a no-brainer.

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Sega really let sonic become a budget franchise. What a failure

 

[Arta]

Exactly, a "why not both" thread is so boring ;)

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Guess I'm gonna be that boring guy. We have so few quality arcadey racers these days I can't afford to drop one. I just want both polished to the maximum.

They both look great, and importantly, fun! :)

 

[Telpis]

Justice for Cream

 

[Acquiescence]

It looks a lot better now. They probably got a really muted response from the press when the game demoed at E3 last year, and just couldn't afford to adhere to the original schedule because of it.

 

[Foot]

What I liked about both of the last two Sonic racing games is that the weapons still allow for skill to come out on top. The wasp weapon, for instance, targets the person in first place, but can be avoided with skilled driving.

 

[Camjo-Z]

Sega really let sonic become a budget franchise. What a failure

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If saving me $20 is a failure then I hope Sega keeps on failing.

 

[Ghost305]

Guess I'm gonna be that boring guy. We have so few quality arcadey racers these days I can't afford to drop one. I just want both polished to the maximum.

They both look great, and importantly, fun! :)

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Watching these two side-by-side really highlights how disappointing it is that CTR Remastered isn't 60FPS.

As of now, the game more likely to see my $60 is TSR. Will wait for a sale on CTR.

And I say that as someone who grew up with both Crash & Sonic, and adored CTR (best mechanics of any kart racer).

 

[Arta]

Watching these two side-by-side really highlights how disappointing it is that CTR Remastered isn't 60FPS.

As of now, the game more likely to see my $60 is TSR. Will wait for a sale on CTR.

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I believe they are both $40 at launch, so you can get both for $80, or wait a few months and get both for that $60. :)

 

[Tailzo]

Watching these two side-by-side really highlights how disappointing it is that CTR Remastered isn't 60FPS.

As of now, the game more likely to see my $60 is TSR. Will wait for a sale on CTR.

And I say that as someone who grew up with both Crash & Sonic, and adored CTR (best mechanics of any kart racer).

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Is Team Sonic Racing 60fps?

 

[fiendcode]

Is Team Sonic Racing 60fps?

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Yes. We don't know if all versions will be but we have 60fps media of it.

 

[Tailzo]

Yes. We don't know if all versions will be but we have 60fps media of it.

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Hopefully not PC only (although I do have an ok pc)

 

[Ghost305]

I believe they are both $40 at launch, so you can get both for $80, or wait a few months and get both for that $60. :)

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I guess the wait for that CTR sale won't be as long then, nice!

Is Team Sonic Racing 60fps?

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The new footage definitely is. And this trailer confirms that it's from PS4.

 

[Foot]

That's no trailer, it's a tralier!

 

[Tailzo]

I guess the wait for that CTR sale won't be as long then, nice!

The new footage definitely is. And this trailer confirms that it's from PS4.

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Alright, thanks. I'll decide between ps4 or switch when I know more details. I kinda doubt a multiplatform game will be 60fps on switch, going by what I have seen in other current gen games.

 

[Giant Enemy Crab]

They both look great, and importantly, fun! :)

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Too much enthusiasm and fair play. Disgusting :)

 

[Nuclear Muffin]

I usually would agree but Transformed saw a "huge drop in sales" on consoles because of the N Factor.

Transformed bombed compare to the first episode due to the failure of the Wii U (500K but 1,5 million for the previous game on the Wii) and the end of PS360 era.
Mobile (removed last year) and the outstanding PC version saved Transformed ass overall.

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Wasn't the Wii U version still the best selling console version of Transformed anyway?

 

[Giant Enemy Crab]

Wasn't the Wii U version still the best selling console version of Transformed anyway?

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Probably. The switch version will destroy XBone and PS4 versions.

 

[Deleted member 39479]

It looks like a lot of fun and the chao are adorable, but damn it still hurts that the other SEGA characters are gone. I pretty much always played as AiAi or AGES, and it would have been great to have Kiryu, Majima, GonGon, Doctor, Bayonetta, I could go on. :(

 

[ckareset]

If saving me $20 is a failure then I hope Sega keeps on failing.

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That's not good though. It's great for mania and tsr as they don't need high budget.

But how many 3d sonic aren't filled with clear budget saving techniques that are detrimental to the franchise

 

[Tailzo]

Probably. The switch version will destroy XBone and PS4 versions.

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I think so too. Being Sonic only might make it even more kid friendly than before. I would like the switch version too, if it's good enough. Portable gaming is a big thumbs up for me.

 

[TheBeardedOne]

It's one of the few games I'm actually excited about. I hope it'll turn out to be great, and am happy to hear this.

I still need to go back and finish Transformed. I liked it, but there was something about it that made me not enjoy it as much as the first Sonic All-Stars Racing, which I beat 100% (some of those challenges were a pain in the ass, then I didn't get credit for achieving 100% due to a glitch.) I need to go back and beat it, because I stopped playing it to play something else and never got back.

 

[Deleted member 51691]

Is Team Sonic Racing 60fps?

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The footage so far has all been 60 FPS, so I think it's reasonable to expect 60 FPS on the PS4 and XB1.

 

[fiendcode]

My guess is PS4/XB1 will be 60fps and Switch 30fps for TSR. It's possible Switch makes 60fps though given the reason for SASRT being capped at 30fps on 360/PS3/Wii U was due to the water physics, so the same engine might give much more overhead on Switch without that. The original SSAR had an uncapped framerate on 360 too which averaged around 40-45fps iirc.

 

[Jahranimo]

My guess is PS4/XB1 will be 60fps and Switch 30fps for TSR. It's possible Switch makes 60fps though given the reason for SASRT being capped at 30fps on 360/PS3/Wii U was due to the water physics, so the same engine might give much more overhead on Switch without that. The original SSAR had an uncapped framerate on 360 too which averaged around 40-45fps iirc.

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Yeah you're probably right. 30fps is ok for this type of game (had both previous Sonic ASR games on Xbox 360) but I doubled dipped on Steam a long time ago and 60fps for these games is perfect. It's a predicament because the Switch will clearly have the most sales and active playerbase but lacks the voice chat me and some friends have on PS4...sigh.

 

[maximumzero]

So stoked about this. Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed was a blast and it's been a LONG 5 years since Mario Kart 8's release, it's nice to finally have not only one, but two racing games in one year to fill the void. (This and Crash)

 

[The Anonymous Wizard]

So stoked about this. Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed was a blast and it's been a LONG 5 years since Mario Kart 8's release, it's nice to finally have not only one, but two racing games in one year to fill the void. (This and Crash)

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Woah, 5 years?! Time is flying....

 

[maximumzero]

Woah, 5 years?! Time is flying....

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Yep, five years as of May 29th, so we've got a little over two months.

 

[Terryfromyokosuka]

Looks better than boring ass Mario Kart. I like the track designs.

 

[Deleted member 4093]

Man I am so hyped for this now that we can race without the team mechanics. I was down on that but not anymore. This looks like a beautiful return to form and balance from the first game. While transformed had more content it was completely unbalanced, from vehicle upgrades, items and difficulty. Was just way too condensed.