AGCM, italian antitrust, issued a 2 million euros fine for Sony because of lacking information and misleading details about PS+ subscription and online play in both the packaging and PlayStation website.
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Sony fined 2 million Euros because of lacking information and misleading details about PS+ subscription and online play on PlayStation 4
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As much as I hate pay for MP, I thought it said very clearly on the package that ps+ is required for MP.
In any case, I hope they fine them all for paid MP (sony, ms and nintendo) so it ends lol
But I guess that €2 million is a drop in the ocean compared to what they actually make from ps+ and the other programs.
In any case, I hope they fine them all for paid MP (sony, ms and nintendo) so it ends lol
But I guess that €2 million is a drop in the ocean compared to what they actually make from ps+ and the other programs.
They basically claim Sony does not mark the package well enough or write on their web page that some MP games require PS+.
That's what I don't understand - how do they differ to MS and Ninty? For me it's clear.
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This is Antitrust, they are not making things up, if you know italian go to page 230 and start reading http://www.agcm.it/dotcmsdoc/bollettini/2019/2-19.pdf
This is talking about Sony, no one brought Nintendo or MS.
I don't know why people here are comparing themselves to the mainstream audience, it is not "CLEAR" as shown in the documents.
The PS+ section is a small square and the "you need to subscribe to play" is even smaller.
This is what AGOM is talking.
PS4 packaging, no sign of PS+ in the front.
From 2015 the actual description of PS+ is small and misleading according to AGCOM
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Unless the packaging is different in Italy I don't see how this is possible.
Seems to be a corrupt official looking for a payout to me.
Seems they don't know what they are looking at then, as that's not a November 2013 launch PlayStation. It's a PlayStation Slim from late 2016.November 2013 packaging, no sign of PS+ in the front.
Edit: Okay, translation error. They are comparing that box to the launch PS4.
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My bad i did a mistake in the translation, they are not claiming that this is the 2013 packaging, but the PS4 launch has the same packaging of this photo in Italy.
Haha yep, anyway I wonder if Sony will appeal or if it's just cheaper to pay up and make whatever changes they have to.
It doesn't say that particular box is an original PlayStation 4 launch console. It says PlayStation 4 is sold to the public since November 2013.
Consider how much PS+ is earning, I wonder if Sony would rather pay 2 million Euro if it means they don't need to make changes?
Obviously that is unlikely, usually the fine comes on top of making the changes that makes it legal again, rather than leaving things as is.
You should update your OP.My bad i did a mistake in the translation, they are not claiming that this is the 2013 packaging, but the PS4 launch has the same packaging of this photo in Italy.
Good. The fine should probably be more though. Last year I was also wondering about the Fortnite bundle, but unfortunately couldn't find proper accurate information about it then. They bundled the console with "Fortnite", but I couldn't discover if it was only the f2p battle royale or did it include the Save the World portion too. As if it was only the f2p Battle Royale mode, I feel it's quite misleading. There should be clear "game not included" if it's not the paid version, but only offers goodies for the BR mode.
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I looked at the document and basically they think the PS+ requirements are written too small on the packaging and they're not clear enough on the PS store. It's a pretty detailed explanation and they also mention previous court cases about deceptive advertising.
e.g.
Join PS+ for free games and online multiplayer!*
*PS+ requires a subscription
That's NOT a good way to inform the consumer, and they're right. It's just a way to hide the bad part as much as possible without lying.
e.g.
Join PS+ for free games and online multiplayer!*
*PS+ requires a subscription
That's NOT a good way to inform the consumer, and they're right. It's just a way to hide the bad part as much as possible without lying.
Would physical versions of No Man's Sky be misleading, as the game didn't have multiplayer at launch but now has it patched in? Pretty much all game cases have "playstation plus subscription required" on the part where it says how many players can play, but No Man's Sky will not have that notice.
I meant to say, you should add your PS4 box image to the OP.
EDIT: Oh wait, this whole time your post is referring to something else indirectly related to your OP?
Sounds like Italy is hurting economically. I mean if this is really a problem since it launched why did they wait so long?
I mean I guess things are different there because PS+ being required is all over in the US.
I mean I guess things are different there because PS+ being required is all over in the US.
Yeah those 2 million Euros are really going to help kickstart the economy.
Seems like the posts are curious what the difference between the boxes are to me. How would anyone know what's unacceptable without knowing what the standard is? But let's go with your idea.
Technically yes that was probably required to avoid the fine, i don't know about Xbox but Nintendo has it.
How fucking dare those fucking assholes fine my beloved Sony, but not Arrogant Microsoft or KIDtendo. Let's fucking rise up on Italy and take revenge
Uh, that's not what's at stake here. It's that the mention is not prominent/big enough the box. Nothing else.
What? Hahahahahaha Italy's economy is better now than 6-7 years ago and this definitely would not be the solution.
There are a number of violations tech companies should pay for it here (not just Italy but EU) and for many years we gave a pass.
Came here to post "Sony pisses that away most months and doesn't care." These fines are idiotic; not because Sony shouldn't be slapped, but because the slap is meaningless.
From them maybe.
On games with MP modes they even highlight the logo in yellow that you need PS Plus.
This is what will happen (or something similar). And it's dumb.
