Sony is the reason Final Fantasy XIV isn't on XBO and Switch

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JINX

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That's different from what I'm referring to though. FFXIV there is no way to 'opt' out of cross play on PS4. You play with both PC and PS4 always. Microsoft when they began to outline their cross play policies, stated that they require all cross play games to give the option to ONLY play with Xbox players.
I don't think that has been stated at all, plus a MS first party title SOT doesn't allow you to opt out of crossplay (there is probably more.)
 

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Not for MMOs. FFXI was on Xbox 360 as well, with all the cross play.
that was an exception to the rule and it never happened again for 360

Actually Microsoft was the issue as stated by the game director a few times over the years:

https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv-isnt-coming-to-xbox-because-of-a-sil-723669207

"Yoshida isn't okay with that.

"The policy has not changed on Microsoft's side," Yoshida told RPGSite. "The main reason from our side is that I don't want the community to be divided; to be split into two or more. For example, one player might be on the PC version, another might be on the PS4 version, and I'm playing the Xbox version - but we're not able to join the same game servers. That is just... I just don't like the idea. I disagree with it.

The game would have been on Xbox a long time ago if it weren't for Microsoft"
so MS was demanding their own servers? I wonder it this is why Elder Scrolls Online has separate servers for each platform because it did launch on XB1.
 

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I think I read this article before, I think the OP may be injecting their own words and thoughts into the direction of this. Nowhere did Yoshi-P say it was Sony that are preventing them from doing this. Dude...

Actually this was already discussed on the other site and now it's just raised from the dead with a new title, and some pushes in a specific direction to make it seem to be Sony even though Yoshi-P said "I hope those first parties change their policies or mindsets." Though the OP want's people to ignore that because Yoshi-P may have meant party with a ;) on his face.
 

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Not denying Sony's involvement but wouldn't the cross platform play on XBO not work anyway cause one of Microsoft's rules is that a player must be able to opt out of cross platform play? That kind of stops things all together. Unless they changed that recently.
If that is true then how in the hell am I not able to opt out of cross platform play in Sea of Thieves?
 

FlyStarJay

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i think sony might allow cross play if every 1st purchase is made on playstation, would xbox allow that?
 

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No one is stopping them from making the other versions, like any other online multiplayer games. Seperate server isn't a factor if SE is confident of the game to appeal.
 

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Isn't Fortnite like cross platform between everything except XBox? And Minecraft same, but except Playstation?

So yeah, for me is Sony the issue here, making them chose between them or the others
Fortnite is PC/Mobile/xbox or PC/Mobile/ps4, rocket league is PC/Xbox/switch or Pc/Ps4, Minecraft is Pc/Mobile/Xbox/Switch or PS4 and there are more Xbox/switch crossplay games out there as well, so i would definitely say Sony is holding it back
 

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Incidentally, as someone who actually talked to Yoshida-san directly during several interviews in which I asked about this very issue, the matter appears to be a lot more complicated than just pointing the finger at one party with no evidence whatsoever.
Thank you. It is why Yoshida-san said:"I hope those first parties change their policies or mindsets".

Meaning that if it was just Sony he would have said so, but he calls out more than one party's policies.
 

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Then they must have changed it. I haven’t played SoT outside the beta lol. Calm down.
If it helps, someone mentioned to me this is the same case with Rocket League but I haven't played that game much to be able to tell lol

So I guess the policy is either gone or Microsoft suddenly stopped caring about said policy for some reason
 

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"Unfortunately, users of the PlayStation 4 or Vita platforms will not be permitted to play with their Nintendo brethren."

Did you read your own link?
It sounds like the service just doesnt include PS4. It isn't Sony's service.

It states they're able to share My Room but not actually use the cloud service. I don't see how that's explicitly Sony's doing.

Besides, i could have sworn back on the PS3 days, Yoshida namedropped MS for this very issue
 
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Er... yes? Gamerevolution are offering their own spin on that same Eurogamer interview (The only source they cite) that you are in order to make it look like they have something new to add, when in reality they have no more information on the matter than anyone else who read the EG article. Maybe you should take your own advice and actually read the articles you are linking :)
 

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Sony is known for their shitty practice of no cross-platform multiplayer, but what was uncertain was if this applied to MMO's that worked on their own servers.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...est-failure-changed-the-series-for-the-better




He mentions "first parties" here, but not Sony specifically. However... Recently Phantasy Star Online 2 (a cross-platform MMO with PC, PS4, and Vita) was released on Nintendo Switch which had a caveat. So essentially they are all on the same servers, but Switch users have a restriction in that they cannot play with Sony system users which outright shows it's Sony's nonsense with cross-platform again.

There's also this tidbit which outright confirms it is them.

http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/...ne-x-discussions-positive-ffxiv-producer-says



And the hilarious part is, FFXIV doesn't even require Playstation Plus, so it's just them being shitty at this point.
how was it uncertain? most of the titles people want full crossplay in have their own servers
 

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The game is not on other consoles because Square doesn't want a splintered community. This has not stopped dozens and dozens of other developers of porting their games to other platforms.
Sony's policy on this regardless of what we think about it has been the same for years. Saying that this is Sony fault alone is a stretch.

If anything this makes me think that Square doesn't believe that the game would amass a healthy enough community on Xbox and Switch alone, so they need the playstation user base to make the game viable on those platforms.
 

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Nothing? PSO2 shows Sony users can't play with Nintendo users, yet Nintendo is more than willing to do cross-platform.

There's no restriction in place on PC users which further shows Nintendo has no issues with cross-platform.

Also, how is this vague?



He outright says it's Sony.
"We have no intention to divide the servers per platform - we're working with one big community. I'm interested in other platforms, of course - I hope those first parties change their policies or mindsets. I'm an MMORPG gamer - I'd love to play with many people globally, and we've been talking to those platforms about getting it on their hardware. Positive discussion is ongoing. It's not as if we're not doing anything - we are actually talking to them, and the platform holders are showing their attitude in a more positive way."

where does he outright say it's sony?
 

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http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/...ne-x-discussions-positive-ffxiv-producer-says

If Yoshi actually stated that he hopes Sony changes it's policy or mindsets, why isn't it being quoted together? It sounds more like the author used a part of Yoshi's statement, put his own personal thoughts together with it, and tried to push it as if it came from Yoshi, himself.
That's because Yoshida never did say that, it's conjecture from GameRevolution. In fact he's stated Microsoft as the problem a few times over the years.
 

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The word “Sony” doesn’t appear at any point in the article....so you just made that part up :/...that’s real misleading, no?
 

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Fuck Sony and their Crossplay practice.
They only do this because they're number one atm.
This is most likely true. It's also most likely true that MS current policy of being open to cross-play is because they are losing so bad to Sony, both in terms of sales and mindshare.
 

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http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/...ne-x-discussions-positive-ffxiv-producer-says

If Yoshi actually stated that he hopes Sony changes it's policy or mindsets, why isn't it being quoted together? It sounds more like the author used a part of Yoshi's statement, put his own personal thoughts together with it, and tried to push it as if it came from Yoshi, himself.
Hey, college essays are filled with 2-word quotations in 3-lined sentences. You do what chu gotta do.
 

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The Eurogamer article (and Yoshida) don't even single out Sony and the GameRevolution article adds it in as an assumption but it's been previously stated by Yoshida that is isn't Sony that is the issue, it's Microsoft

https://kotaku.com/final-fantasy-xiv-isnt-coming-to-xbox-because-of-a-sil-723669207

https://www.polygon.com/e3/2016/6/1...x-one-talks-mmo-square-enix-microsoft-e3-2016
But we now know that this isn't the case. Microsoft may have changed their policy since the time of your links but either way Microsoft allow cross-play with Nintendo so they do not have any problems with cross-play.
 

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Nothing? PSO2 shows Sony users can't play with Nintendo users, yet Nintendo is more than willing to do cross-platform.

There's no restriction in place on PC users which further shows Nintendo has no issues with cross-platform.
It shows nothing, because we don't know who asked for the caveat of keeping Switch and PS4 users aside, nor why it was asked, and how.

He outright says it's Sony.
You should read the original article, and not the misquote by a website that apparently prefers to replace the original word of the developer with its own interpretation for controversy and clicks sake. Not that they're new to that.

Yoshida makes no mention of Sony in the original quote.

"We have no intention to divide the servers per platform - we're working with one big community. I'm interested in other platforms, of course - I hope those first parties change their policies or mindsets. I'm an MMORPG gamer - I'd love to play with many people globally, and we've been talking to those platforms about getting it on their hardware. Positive discussion is ongoing. It's not as if we're not doing anything - we are actually talking to them, and the platform holders are showing their attitude in a more positive way."

"those first parties" =/= "Sony."
 

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People are on the edge to bash Sony at the first opportunity, funny this might be more on MS than Sony
 

Nanashrew

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Oh my god, the OP of this thread actually posts in the other thread about this very same article. What the heck is going on? haha
And Kokonoe isn't wrong either. Nintendo has been okay with crossplay since the Wii with Dragon Quest X, and okay with Crossplay on Wii U with that game and a chess game, and the Switch has several crossplay titles out now or coming out soon that let you play with Xbox players.
 

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If read carefully Sony is not inside the quotation marks meaning he didn't imply or mention Sony directly but the author implied it. That's how you really read an article.
Yoshida reiterated this in the interview, noting that FFXIV would never come to those platforms unless all users could play together on the same server. He hopes that Sony changes its "policies or mindsets" so that this will be possible.
 
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