It's not just load times though, but pop in with respect to asset density or quality (draw distance, textures etc).
Conversely, I reckon XSX games have a higher average resolution.
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Sony patents "Direct Gameplay" (game activity/progress tiles presented in PS5 OS)
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It's not just load times though, but pop in with respect to asset density or quality (draw distance, textures etc).
Conversely, I reckon XSX games have a higher average resolution.
I think Sony are trying to move the console experience above PCs in different ways. This is one part of that.
With game launchers, jumping into PC games has become very slow and tedious. Rockstar launcher takes an age to launch/launch a game.
This is smart because, as we know, PCs are general purpose so by their design there is always a layer in front of gaming, be it the OS, mixed configuration, game launchers etc
With game launchers, jumping into PC games has become very slow and tedious. Rockstar launcher takes an age to launch/launch a game.
This is smart because, as we know, PCs are general purpose so by their design there is always a layer in front of gaming, be it the OS, mixed configuration, game launchers etc
Yep, games have been refused certification before when they have been submitted to console manufacturers for messing up the front end. It's something Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are really strict about. It's a very big thing when you're submitting a title for final certification. I'm sure Sony would have had all this stuff in mind though when submitting the patent, it would be a pretty (very) big oversight if they hadn't.
for all we know they may have made it much easier to support this for devs. so definitely will see what happens.
Your first part is yet to be proven as Sony has shown no concrete example where they'll be able to push better lod than on competing platforms.
And what does it have to do with the thread at hand?
I thought Killzone tried this on PS4 with links to boot latest MP mode or SP separately. Or am I misremembering?
That's excellent!
One of the best things that Switch has going for it right now is being able to suspend and resume instantly (assuming you're already in a game) and the current time to get into a game on Ps4/XB1 is 100% an obstacle for people with busy lives.
I have automatic updates now
It doesn't change the fact that the past few COD's there are title updates that will kick you back to the menu
The person I was responding to was talking about the potential benefits of a more performative GPU vs such load time savings facilitated by an SSD. Perhaps take the time to follow the chain of discussion or what is being quoted before chiming in....
God-damn, those are really cool! And I can see Chrono Cross there...
Maybe recently but I've played a ton of 3rd party games with this feature. Most people don't realize when you start a new game that it's still downloading or installing in the background because it's not 100%
This would mean on the PS5 you could accomplish the same thing without even needing to have the 5 or 6 games running at all.
As odd as it is, just the perceived potential of accessing games faster on next gen systems has begun making me frustrated at dealing with load times on current gen systems. Not to the point that I am not going to play them, but I certainly notice it more compared to only rarely being bothered by it previously.
This is more supplemental. Suspend and resume is still great to keep your exact progress in a single-player game, while tiles would be nice to skip some of the menuing if you want a quick multiplayer match.
Yeah I'm really glad Sony and MS are both seemingly addressing this in their own ways. It's so irritating trying to play a game from a cold start right now. Click icon, Wait...... click menu, wait...... click game mode, wait for lobby to fill..... wait for level to load........ ok now finally five minutes later I can actually play the game. I'm day 1 for both consoles simply because they'll help alleviate this quite a bit.
I think your overstating the difference grossly with a 2.5 gb/s throughput and 5 gb/s. ie. 50 gigs, 10 sec ps4 20 xsx. But were still talking booting game, going through menu, selecting save then going. Vs I've got 5 games running, mid race forza, mid jump platforming ori, mid roaming open world witcher 3 etc for 5 or 6 games. In the latter I'm not having to select a save and get back to the point I really left off at. Quick resume is a feature than saves tons of time in it's own way vs a cross the board benefit of the ssd. But they are not the same in this case. Saying you dont need multi game quick resume cause of a marginally faster ssd is kinda just settling for less next gen features that do make a huge difference.
Yeah all I ever do in Rocket League is jump straight into 2v2 ranked matches. Give me a tile to do that and I'm golden. Combined with the extreme SSD speed and you could actually jump from one game type in one game to another game type in a completely different game and it almost feel like you do today when doing that from within the same game itself. It will be so rapid. Cannot wait! (And won't need to).
I gotta imagine suspending a game after signing onto the server will kick you off the server. So you would end up having to login to COD(as an example) again.
No. 1 you don't "need" any of this shit. These are options. No. 2, in order to have 5 or 6 games running for multi-game quick resume you have to already booted up 5 or 6 games and have them to the point where you'd want to quick resume them. Already more of a hassle. This allows you to jump into any game from the point you want to immediately after booting up your system, and it is not limited to a 5 or 6 game multi-boot because you don't need to have the games booted in the first place.
Indeed. Suspend of one game now is a game changer, let alone having 4-5. Though my biggest peeve is that some MP games don't suspend well at all now. Division 2 and Destiny 2 being particular recent culprits where they kick you out of servers, so even with suspend, it takes 2-3 minutes to log in, far longer than actually booting the game. So any SSD/suspend benefits would be negated by a slow server process. And that is even when you are in your own "instance" or private single player area with no other players around.
But you understand XSX is 2.5 gig/s and ps5 is 5 gig/s not 40 gig/s. The gulf isnt what your implying there. And as far as hassle, if I can restart my whole console and still be at the exact point of a game I left off without rebooting, menu, load save, and then replay to the point I left off. The latter sounds more of a "hassle".
Well, in the examples from the patent, no, you're not. The 'direct gameplay' bit refers to skipping past boot cruft into specific parts of the game. Be it your auto save, or a task in a game, or an online match or whatever.
Of course we'll have to see how well devs support this. But the idea is that instead of booting the game to navigate its menus to 'setup' whatever you want to do in the game, there'll be OS level apps where games can expose those controls instead, so you can flit between those 'apps' easily and immediately and with a common interface language at the OS level, and then skip directly into whatever parts of the game the app lets you shortcut to.
Sounds useful for dipping in and out of different multiplayer games and modes quickly, but sounds similar to some of the promised Stadia functionality. Where cloud services like Stadia will have the advantage here is that you won't need to have downloaded the game first, which is more similar to the "Netflix" claims. Not that I have any interest in cloud streaming nor multiplayer gaming outside of Rocket League.
Music to my ears, super interested to see what they do with the OS...and jumping in and out of games, this is where they could leverage the SSD.
Not gonna dispute that for online games. But I primarily play single player and that's a hell of a feature for me!
KZ:SF already did that actually. You can boot to MP immediately from the OS skipping all the logos.
Yes but even better since you don't even need to have the game suspended to get to where you want immediately.
These 'templates' are standalone things. Little applets. The network can stream new ones to you for games your friends might own, that you don't, for example, or ones it thinks you might like.
That could start to look like advertisement - but I think it makes sense if you have a PSNow subscription, for example, or your PS+ library. If templates from across this wider catalog you have access to can be surfaced to you independently of whether you have the game installed, and perhaps show you specific things in different games that you might like - aid discovery of what you already have access to.
Hopefully you would have controls over how it surfaces things - so that if you want, you can tell it to ignore games you don't have access to or would have to buy to engage with beyond the 'applet'.
Independence from game install will also be handy if you're doing 'fridge management' of your storage - can help you keep an eye on a game that maybe you've temporarily deleted to free up room for another game.
Yeah. I also think in time the loading differences between PS5 and XSX could be the same. Yeah resuming or loading any game in about 6 seconds sounds great now, but when something else can do it in 2-3 seconds every time then that will feel all the snappier. If this implementation from Sony becomes a thing then it will make using the PS5 overall just feel so much more modern than the even now fast XSX speeds.
So is this like a much more advanced version of what Killzone: Shadowfall did? Where it instantly starts, skipping all the logo and loading/signing in stuff. I thought the reason that didn't go anywhere was because those companies didn't like their logo getting skipped, will that be a problem with this.
Will be interesting to see how it works on the streaming front you mentioned. PS Now (and xCloud for that matter) takes forever to start a game, and both services feel miles away from providing this kind of functionality just because of how slow they are in getting going. Perhaps when the cloud server blades are eventually upgraded to PS5/Scarlett.
Logos/splash screens are typically masking loading though. We know this because PC versions (with SSD) of multiplat games often let you quickly skip through the splash screens whilst you have to simply sit through them on console.
It's just a different approach. No one is saying that Xbox won't do this too.
Think of it like this you quit your game of Halo infinite.
Next time you go to the game tile you can
1)boot straight to where you were
2)boot straight to matchmaking
3) regular boot up
4) whatever other start point you want, like the beginning of any completed level.
All in a couple of seconds, twice as long on Xbox but still a short amount of time.
Seems like a pretty good approach to me, though the simplicity of suspend\resume still has appeal.
Oh yeah... I wasn't even thinking of the streaming side. I was thinking more of your downloadable catalog.
So maybe the system 'reckons' you would enjoy a certain thing in a certain game, surfaces it to you in a 'template' at the OS level. You don't have it installed, but the game is in your PSNow or PS+ catalog. So it gives you the option to install (or maybe, with PS5 stuff, partially install the bit you need to play the activity in this template), and then when it's installed, you can play.
I was thinking more the discovery aspect wrt games you don't have on your system there, rather than the immediacy aspect. Without streaming there'll be that wait of course, and even with streaming there might be. But I think as long as there isn't a pay gate to the content, it would be 'cool' to have the system bring stuff to your attention that you could play without further payment, even if there's an install or stream startup wait.
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I was about to say that. Children who grow up playing video games with this feature will not believe it when we show them a Ps3 running a game.
Nah, this is way easier.
Just have 4 boot points for every game and make it mandatory for the developer to include them.
They can be "?????" and greyed out until they're unlocked in game if required.
We do not do this, partly, because it is not fast and practical.
The gaming industry at large needs to go to war on splash screens. They're hurting the industry. Sleep/resume isn't good enough.
Among other things because they cause 'patent thickets' and 'patent trolls'. With a theoretical perfect patent office it might not be necessary to ban them but that happening seems farfetched.