Sony's Fortnite crossplay account block is now covered by mainstream press [Sony Responds]

Falconbox

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...change-sonys-ridiculous-ps4-cross-play-policy

Only Sustained Backlash Can Hope To Change Sony's Ridiculous PS4 Cross-Play Policy

Recent hemming and hawing over a possible "solution" is just foot-dragging. Don't trust Sony to make any changes so long as they're the top dog in the industry. But it's possible that with enough backlash, the company could cave.

Look no further than EA's crumbling over Star Wars: Battlefront II loot crates. Enough sustained backlash helped turn around a bad revenue model, even if it didn't ultimately save the game.

Sustained pushback from gamers and the gaming press and YouTubers might help sway Sony in this matter. But that means not letting this issue go and hopping off to the next controversy or distraction. Sony understandably believes that with enough time gamers will simply lose interest.
So what can you do? Well, it's a bit like politics. You can write emails or contact Sony's PlayStation top brass on Twitter or other social media platforms. Here's some contact information to help you along. Just remember: Be respectful even while strongly voicing your opinion in this matter. Insults, threats and abuse will achieve nothing.

A good place to start is the PlayStation support account on Twitter: @AskPlayStation. Flood them with requests for cross-play on the daily.

You might also consider joining the PlayStation forums and posting about this issue---frequently.
You can also write letters to Sony Interactive Entertainment:

U.S. Address:

Sony Interactive Entertainment LLC (Headquarter)

2207 Bridgepointe Pkwy. San Mateo, CA 94404

Japan Address:

Sony Interactive Entertainment Inc.

1-7-1 Konan, Minato-ku, Tokyo, 108-0075 Japan

Snail-mail is old-fashioned but it still matters, and a flood of letters demanding cross-play should at the very least cause some annoyance and corporate HQ.
 
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What are you trying to get at exactly? You're saying people didn't fight for Minecraft because they knew it was going to be a long and not easy fight? But if it was easy, more people would have jumped on? You and many other people argue that people understand that business decisions are the reason behind it yet you want to hide the fact that this will be a long battle because of those business decisions. Why is that? You can't argue people understand it's business reasons but then want to hide from people that it's going to be a long fight because of business reasons.

I think this is where we fundamentally disagree. You seem to think if you can hide the reality of the situation, more people are willing to jump on board to fight for it because they don't realize it's going to be a long battle. The problem is it will turn out to be a long battle and once people realize that they'll go away because they didn't get the instant gratification and results that they were expecting. I on the other hand feel that if people have proper expectations in check, they won't get disappointed and give up. We have a fundamental disagreement on the psychology of when people will actually fight for a cause. People give up when they get frustrated and things don't work out the way they think they will and then they move on. That's how Minecraft played out. People just couldn't be bothered and I think Minecraft is a perfect example of people having the wrong expectations especially when so many people argued how big Minecraft was and how that game was going to force Sony's hand.

The Minecraft movement more or less died compared to where it was a year ago. Of course some people still talk about it, but it's the extreme vocal minority and they're not even vocal anymore. For all intents and purposes, the uproar over Minecraft lasted at most, what a month? Then people moved on and it was out of sight, and out of view for the rest of the year and it made no progress in that time. If you want better progress, it just can't disappear like that.
I'm not trying to hide the reality of the situation because the reality of the situation is that we don't know how long it will take... But one things for sure. It doesn't need to take forever.

Look, I'll put it as simple as I can. Out of these two, which would you think people will find more attractive to join in on?

Keep pushing guys, another article has been published, huzzah!
Keep pushing guys, more and more of my friends are talking about Sony's crossplay/account shenanigans so we are doing something right!
Keep pushing guys, another dev has come out in support of crossplay/account!
Keep pushing guys, Sony themselves actually made a statement that they are working on figuring something out, we are making waves!
Keep pushing guys, It might not be much longer and everything you guys are doing is actually helping. Keep doing what you can do and we will all be playing together in no time!

vs

Keep pushing guys, another article has been published... but it means nothing!
Keep pushing guys, more and more of my friends are talking about Sony's crossplay/account shenanigans... but it's such a small minority actually that are affected so it doesn't really mean anything.
Keep pushing guys, another dev has come out in support of crossplay/account... but Sony are king and can live without them no matter who they are so they have to play ball anyway so it doesn't matter either.
Keep pushing guys, Sony themselves actually made a statement that they are working on figuring something out... You are naïve if you think this means anything.
Keep pushing guys, It's going to take forever and even after all this time the needle hasn't moved, nothing positive has come of anything you've been doing. We aren't going to get anywhere at all if you don't give up all Sony products even though I know this is too much of an ask for the vast majority of you so I know this isn't going to happen but it's literally the only thing that my brain can comprehend is going to make any difference... Are you with me?!
 
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Synth

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I'm not trying to hide the reality of the situation because the reality of the situation is that we don't know how long it will take... But one things for sure. It doesn't need to take forever.

Look, I'll put it as simple as I can. Out of these two, which would you think people will find more attractive to join in on?

Keep pushing guys, another article has been published, huzzah!
Keep pushing guys, more and more of my friends are talking about Sony's crossplay/account shenanigans so we are doing something right!
Keep pushing guys, another dev has come out in support of crossplay/account!
Keep pushing guys, Sony themselves actually made a statement that they are working on figuring something out, we are making waves!
Keep pushing guys, It might not be much longer and everything you guys are doing is actually helping. Keep doing what you can do and we will all be playing together in no time!

vs

Keep pushing guys, another article has been published... but it means nothing!
Keep pushing guys, more and more of my friends are talking about Sony's crossplay/account shenanigans... but it's such a small minority actually that are affected so it doesn't really mean anything.
Keep pushing guys, another dev has come out in support of crossplay/account... but Sony are king and can live without them no matter who they are so they have to play ball anyway so it doesn't matter either.
Keep pushing guys, Sony themselves actually made a statement that they are working on figuring something out... You are naïve if you think this means anything.
Keep pushing guys, It's going to take forever and even after all this time the needle hasn't moved, nothing positive has come of anything you've been doing. We aren't going to get anywhere at all if you don't give up all Sony products even though I know this is too much of an ask for the vast majority of you so I know this isn't going to happen but it's literally the only thing that my brain can comprehend is going to make any difference... Are you with me?!

For accuracy, you'd need to remove the "Keep pushing guys" prefix from the second set.
 

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Good to hear the Bombcast talking about this for the third week running in this week’s episode.
 
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For accuracy, you'd need to remove the "Keep pushing guys" prefix from the second set.
I have it there because it's what the poster in question actually keeps doing. Telling people to keep fighting, keep pushing cause he srsly wants crossplay for real but at the same time adds the negative caveats.

and you'd have to add an undercurrent of zealotry to the first...

The in fighting over this issue is absolutely ridiculous and it's completely counter productive.
Zealotry? Explain yourself or get out of here with that crap. Just because I'm passionate about the issue doesn't mean I'm a zealot. I'm trying to show how his behavior is counter productive. I don't jump on just anyone, that guy comes around every time this issue gets big attention with the same business speculation and counter productive arguments.
 

Rodelero

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Zealotry? Explain yourself or get out of here with that crap. Just because I'm passionate about the issue doesn't mean I'm a zealot. I'm trying to show how his behavior is counter productive. I don't jump on just anyone, that guy comes around every time this issue gets big attention with the same business speculation and counter productive arguments.
Well, I wasn't actually pointing at you specifically, but generally in this thread there is a belligerent tendency to attack those who are against Sony's policy but not against it in the 'right way'.
 
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Well, I wasn't actually pointing at you specifically, but generally in this thread there is a belligerent tendency to attack those who are against Sony's policy but not against it in the 'right way'.
If you are talking about the people who are saying that the only way is to stop buying Sony games and consoles then I'd agree and that is part of what I was trying to address... If not then you are going to have to show me because I'm not seeing it.
 

Synth

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and you'd have to add an undercurrent of zealotry to the first...

The in fighting over this issue is absolutely ridiculous and it's completely counter productive.
If it's so ridiculous and counter-productive, maybe you could stop fighting over it?

I don't necessarily agree with the hardline stance some people take on this issue (and think the term "anti-consumer" is thrown around far too casually)... I just don't really see why there's even an opposition side to a topic like this in general.


I have it there because it's what the poster in question actually keeps doing. Telling people to keep fighting, keep pushing cause he srsly wants crossplay for real but at the same time adds the negative caveats.


Sorry, I didn't read your post as pertaining to a specific poster as opposed to the general opposition looking to tell people how it's all pointless and just business smarts.​
 

Rodelero

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If it's so ridiculous and counter-productive, maybe you could stop fighting over it?

I don't necessarily agree with the hardline stance some people take on this issue (and think the term "anti-consumer" is thrown around far too casually)... I just don't really see why there's even an opposition side to a topic like this in general
Well that's the thing, generally speaking, there isn't.

There's a group of people who want to analyse the entirety of the issue... and there's a group of people who want to simplify it and quash discussion that isn't purely focused on criticising Sony. (To be clear I know this is an unfair generalisation, but, honestly... there's like five people in this entire thread who are arguing against crossplay).

As for 'anti-consumer', I think you're right. It's not so much that Sony's stance isn't anti consumer, it's just not as meaningful a term as people seem to think. I could name an enormous number of things that all three manufacturers do that are 'anti-consumer', whilst still owning and enjoying their products.
 
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Synth

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Well that's the thing, generally speaking, there isn't.

There's a group of people who want to analyse the entirety of the issue... and there's a group of people who want to simplify it and quash discussion that isn't purely focused on "Fuck Sony".
Nah, there are plenty of posters that whilst not outright supporting Sony's decision (and there are even a few that do), still look to push its supposed futility and are seemingly bothered every time the discussion pops up.

As for analysing the entirety of the issue, I don't think there really is a lot to analyse. Sony's motivations for blocking crossplay seem pretty clear-cut... to force others to buy their console in order to play with existing users. I think "fuck Sony" just remains the general response even with that knowledge, for the same reasons "fuck EA" does with lootboxes, despite their obvious corporate motivation. I would imagine people would be more sympathetic to a business case that shows crossplay as not being sustainable, rather than it's prevention simply being arguably better for the sole hold-out... but that's a pretty hard argument to make when everyone else across every other type of ecosystem is doing just fine regardless.

I'd imagine "but let's analyse the reasons behind Dungeon Keeper mobile" wouldn't inspire much empathy either.
 

Arthands

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If you are talking about the people who are saying that the only way is to stop buying Sony games and consoles then I'd agree and that is part of what I was trying to address... If not then you are going to have to show me because I'm not seeing it.
I think we can do a compromise. Buy third party games elsewhere and only 1st party on Playstation
 

Synth

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More has to be done to get Sony to change, not buying first party and avoiding PS5 would absolutely get results.
I don't actually think unrelated action is very useful. Avoiding third-party purchases on the platform shows that the platform becomes less desirable to play any game available elsewhere, which every title regarding crossplay would fall under. Not buying first party titles would more likely be read as "yea, the market actually doesn't want singleplayer AAA releases after all". Seeing as these games have no crossplay potential, sales for them dropping wouldn't make any sort of crossplay statement, and would instead look like singleplayer fatigue.
 

Zafir

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Nah, there are plenty of posters that whilst not outright supporting Sony's decision (and there are even a few that do), still look to push its supposed futility and are seemingly bothered every time the discussion pops up.

As for analysing the entirety of the issue, I don't think there really is a lot to analyse. Sony's motivations for blocking crossplay seem pretty clear-cut... to force others to buy their console in order to play with existing users. I think "fuck Sony" just remains the general response even with that knowledge, for the same reasons "fuck EA" does with lootboxes, despite their obvious corporate motivation. I would imagine people would be more sympathetic to a business case that shows crossplay as not being sustainable, rather than it's prevention simply being arguably better for the sole hold-out... but that's a pretty hard argument to make when everyone else across every other type of ecosystem is doing just fine regardless.

I'd imagine "but let's analyse the reasons behind Dungeon Keeper mobile" wouldn't inspire much empathy either.
Not to mention, it's hard to give empathy to Sony when due to this policy, you can't use your primarily PC Fortnite account with PC purchases on Switch or Xbox, because you dared to try the PS4 version.

At that point for me it's like. I don't really care what your damn reasons are because I don't think anything excuses it, I just want my account back.
 

Synth

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Not to mention, it's hard to give empathy to Sony when due to this policy, you can't use your primarily PC Fortnite account with PC purchases on Switch or Xbox, because you dared to try the PS4 version.

At that point for me it's like. I don't really care what your damn reasons are because I don't think anything excuses it, I just want my account back.
Yea, the latest situation with Fortnite is a whole different tier of issue, and actually a situation where the use of the term "anti-consumer" feels completely justified.

That some people actually try to think of "reasonable loopholes" for Sony like only unlocking the Switch side of the account is pretty depressing.
 

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I don't actually think unrelated action is very useful. Avoiding third-party purchases on the platform shows that the platform becomes less desirable to play any game available elsewhere, which every title regarding crossplay would fall under. Not buying first party titles would more likely be read as "yea, the market actually doesn't want singleplayer AAA releases after all". Seeing as these games have no crossplay potential, sales for them dropping wouldn't make any sort of crossplay statement, and would instead look like singleplayer fatigue.
Microsoft & Nintendo will still make single player AAA so your concern is unfounded.

If everyone tried to impact Sony via boycotting their first party or PS5 cross play would probably be permitted within months if not weeks.
 

MatrixMan.exe

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Yea, the latest situation with Fortnite is a whole different tier of issue, and actually a situation where the use of the term "anti-consumer" feels completely justified.

That some people actually try to think of "reasonable loopholes" for Sony like only unlocking the Switch side of the account is pretty depressing.
I've been pretty vocal about how misused the term "anti-consumer" is used around here, especially in the cross play discourse. However I agree, it's absolutely justified here and is text book anti-consumer practice.
 

Synth

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Microsoft & Nintendo will still make single player AAA so your concern is unfounded.

If everyone tried to impact Sony via boycotting their first party or PS5 cross play would probably be permitted within months if not weeks.
Not really, because MS is already more GaaS-focused, and Nintendo effectively has a completely separate set of rules that apply to them (Nintendo makes a LOT of content that seemingly isn't feasible for other publishers). I'm not concerned about the singleplayer landscape myself, I'm just saying that the action you're suggesting wouldn't actually send the message we want to send. There's no way for Sony to look at a reduction in first-party sales and correlate that data with people wanting crossplay, it's about as useful as buying a Galaxy phone over an Xperia one... it's action without clear meaning.
 

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Not to mention, it's hard to give empathy to Sony when due to this policy, you can't use your primarily PC Fortnite account with PC purchases on Switch or Xbox, because you dared to try the PS4 version.

At that point for me it's like. I don't really care what your damn reasons are because I don't think anything excuses it, I just want my account back.
I'm pretty sure at this point you're never getting your account back.
 

Zafir

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I'm pretty sure at this point you're never getting your account back.
Probably not, but I already accepted that back when it first happened really.

Doesn't mean I'm letting Sony off the hook though. I won't make the same mistake twice. Any other third party titles I'll think twice before playing or linking my account on PS4. They can get stuffed with their ridiculous attitude.
 

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Cross play is waay overrated. Like it's been mentioned by other posters, cross play will affect very select games and even then, a small percentage of their players. Unless there are rampant issues of people having trouble getting matchmade in multi-player games when gaming on the PS4, the majority do not give a shit about crossplay. With the number of PS4s out there in homes it's not gonna be an issue.

Purposefully, or knowingly, blocking cross progression in games on the other hand is a really douchy move for sure. Makes no sense to me how that's good for business. Even then the problem is currently only with Fortnite on the Switch. The problem is so isolated (from the overall business) that even I wouldn't bother if I was Sony. Cross play progression was never a "thing" before so why should it be now? (It would be sooo great if it was a thing in the future though!) Game progression has been tied to PSN, LIVE, Steam or whatever online gaming service, accounts for years.

The outcry for cross game progession and play is just tabloid material. Other than the next Fallout, I can't recall which other developers are working on cross play games. It's definitely not something that's gonna dent the sales of the next PS. As long as Sony keeps dishing out great exclusives, cross play is not gonna break their stride.

Wind down this bruhahah on cross play and go back to fighting the fight against lootboxes. Now that's something that should never be forgotten about!
 

DesiacX

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Cross play is waay overrated. Like it's been mentioned by other posters, cross play will affect very select games and even then, a small percentage of their players. Unless there are rampant issues of people having trouble getting matchmade in multi-player games when gaming on the PS4, the majority do not give a shit about crossplay. With the number of PS4s out there in homes it's not gonna be an issue.

Purposefully, or knowingly, blocking cross progression in games on the other hand is a really douchy move for sure. Makes no sense to me how that's good for business. Even then the problem is currently only with Fortnite on the Switch. The problem is so isolated (from the overall business) that even I wouldn't bother if I was Sony. Cross play progression was never a "thing" before so why should it be now? (It would be sooo great if it was a thing in the future though!) Game progression has been tied to PSN, LIVE, Steam or whatever online gaming service, accounts for years.

The outcry for cross game progession and play is just tabloid material. Other than the next Fallout, I can't recall which other developers are working on cross play games. It's definitely not something that's gonna dent the sales of the next PS. As long as Sony keeps dishing out great exclusives, cross play is not gonna break their stride.

Wind down this bruhahah on cross play and go back to fighting the fight against lootboxes. Now that's something that should never be forgotten about!
Ill open this by saying you are correct on many points, but...

As opposed to participating in this thread, why not make a thread on Lootboxes, or participate in one that already exists? If Lootboxes are an issue you care about, your more likely to help people not forget about it by being in discussions related to it.

That is, of course, assuming the goal is to push that issue in hopes of seeing change. If your goal is to deflect from Crossplay/Cross Progression, keep it up in here, it'll only keep this thread alive for longer and help push it as something that should be changed.
 

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Cross play is waay overrated. Like it's been mentioned by other posters, cross play will affect very select games and even then, a small percentage of their players. Unless there are rampant issues of people having trouble getting matchmade in multi-player games when gaming on the PS4, the majority do not give a shit about crossplay. With the number of PS4s out there in homes it's not gonna be an issue.

Purposefully, or knowingly, blocking cross progression in games on the other hand is a really douchy move for sure. Makes no sense to me how that's good for business. Even then the problem is currently only with Fortnite on the Switch. The problem is so isolated (from the overall business) that even I wouldn't bother if I was Sony. Cross play progression was never a "thing" before so why should it be now? (It would be sooo great if it was a thing in the future though!) Game progression has been tied to PSN, LIVE, Steam or whatever online gaming service, accounts for years.

The outcry for cross game progession and play is just tabloid material. Other than the next Fallout, I can't recall which other developers are working on cross play games. It's definitely not something that's gonna dent the sales of the next PS. As long as Sony keeps dishing out great exclusives, cross play is not gonna break their stride.

Wind down this bruhahah on cross play and go back to fighting the fight against lootboxes. Now that's something that should never be forgotten about!
How about we fight for what we want? I’d like no lootboxes as well as cross play and progression. It’s not like there is a choice here.
 

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What I dont understand ( at least reading it here) is if the crossplay thing affects so little people and very selected then why isn't Sony allowing it? They are not going to lose users or even notice them if they are so minor. Make those four people happy and evade those bad news for Sony ( and the account blocking too)
 

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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here. Why time? Because if Sony manages a seamless migration of the current PS Network userbase to their next generation that one is already settled before it starts.
 

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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here. Why time? Because if Sony manages a seamless migration of the current PS Network userbase to their next generation that one is already settled before it starts.
There is also the fact that third party GaaS developers WANT crossplay, it benefits them in enlarging the player base. So you should not only think of Nintendo or Microsoft as the only parties interested in pushing this.
 

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I spent a day today playing fortnite switching between my switch and xbox and let me tell you guys, it was fucking awesome. playing on xbox, gf wants to watch something on the TV so I pull out my switch and keep playing in the bedroom. Gf finished watching Netflix and wants to nap in bed, move back out to the living room, kick back on the sofa and play some more casual fortnite om the switch, my friend comes online and wants to play duos so I log back into the xbox (wired internet connection) and we go play together.

Theres no reason I shouldn't be able to do this in any other game or do this but use my ps4 instead of the xbox if I want.
 

TheYanger

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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here. Why time? Because if Sony manages a seamless migration of the current PS Network userbase to their next generation that one is already settled before it starts.
You're right, it can't possibly be because people want to play games with their friends.
 

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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here. Why time? Because if Sony manages a seamless migration of the current PS Network userbase to their next generation that one is already settled before it starts.
Yep those Playstation haters like BBC are just showing their true nature.
 

Papercuts

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What I dont understand ( at least reading it here) is if the crossplay thing affects so little people and very selected then why isn't Sony allowing it? They are not going to lose users or even notice them if they are so minor. Make those four people happy and evade those bad news for Sony ( and the account blocking too)
This is the real head scratcher here, isn't it?

According to a ton of people here, crossplay is overrated and doesn't really matter. Yet is blocked because ??????????. If it's overrated and doesn't matter then that implies there's no reason to stop it as there's no negative impact for Sony to do so.
 

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I experienced cross play for the first time last week on my Switch when I played with my friends who game on the Xbox and I love it.

Without it I wouldn't hit level goals that I need to. Because of this I can most definitely say that the experience I would get on the PS4 is inferior as this is an impossibility had I of played on the PS4.

In addition to that, because the account gets locked to the PlayStation platform I will NEVER play Fortnite on the PS4 unless things change and I will scrutinize every multiplat on the PS4 to make sure I don't feel like one platform is holding my multiplat content hostage.
 

Ghostbound

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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here. Why time? Because if Sony manages a seamless migration of the current PS Network userbase to their next generation that one is already settled before it starts.
What an embarrassing thing to say. Who even thinks like this?
 
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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here. Why time? Because if Sony manages a seamless migration of the current PS Network userbase to their next generation that one is already settled before it starts.
That’s one way of looking at it.

I’d argue it is Sony who are overrating the importance of cross-play. It makes them look weak, afraid and petty - that they’re unwilling to make this minor concession to their competitors and are blocking industry progression, despite the benefits to their customers. I can see the argument it is a bad business decision for them - but implementing crossplay would not affect their market lead - a closed ecosystem is not a driver for sales. Their hardware and software will dictate their market position and their brand is much stronger than Xbox. It’s not a stance I can respect or support as a consumer and it is less likely to make me buy a PSV next gen.
 

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That’s one way of looking at it.

I’d argue it is Sony who are overrating the importance of cross-play. It makes them look weak, afraid and petty - that they’re unwilling to make this minor concession to their competitors and block industry progression, despite the benefits to their customers. I can see the argument it is a bad business decision for them - but implementing crossplay would not affect their market lead - a closed ecosystem is not a driver for sales. Their hardware and software will dictate theit market position. It’s not a stance I can respect or support as a consumer and it is less likely to make me buy a PSV next gen.
Ah, the bolden part is the thing that actually matters in the whole discussion. I guess Sony no allowing cross-play isn't user-friendly is something we all can agree about, even if we're not affected by it for whatever reason.
But for Sony the real question are: Is not offering cross-play a purchase barrier or likely to become one once the next generation starts? If so, for how many people? And will those buy an additional console or switch (pun intended)? And of course they are looking in the other direction, too: How many sales / PS subs will get lost when people do not have to buy a PlayStation anymore if they want to play together with their friends.

I for one don't know the answer. But I guess there's one company out there which should have internal and external data about this issue, and for now we at least know the conclusion that company came up with.
 

Papercuts

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Outside of crossplay though and back to this bullshit Fortnite account lock, I can safely say that as a PS user that got screwed by it it's really pissed me off and turned me off hard on third parties on this ecosystem.

That, 100%, needs to be reversed and change. It primarily harms THEIR OWN CUSTOMERS.
 

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If crossprogression is announced for Warframe on PC/Switch and my Account gets fucked because I used it on PS4, I'm going to sell my PS4 Pro instantly.

Tired of this anti consumer bullshit.
 

Phatzo

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I look at it this way. Whatever the other platforms are doing, you should follow suit. It doesn't matter if your the leader or the follower. In time, no matter if you are the number one brand or the last, you will lose that title eventually. So why doesn’t Sony make a good gesture and let the developers/players have what they want. I think that sums it up.
 
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Describing a clear market leader‘s position / proposition as fortress or stronghold and market followers as „attackers“ is actually quite common... you’re definitely reading too much into this if you feel offended by this.
What are you even talking about? I don't care about your phrasing, however bad it may be.

I was referring to the fact that you think the importance of cross-play is overrated and that it's just being used as a way to attack Sony.
 

ghostcrew

Hunter of the Shrouded Ghost
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Oct 27, 2017
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Of course the importance of cross-play is way overrated. But it’s nevertheless a crack in Sony‘s PlayStation fortress so the attackers try to exploit it. Not because this is a particular good idea or effective but because they are running out of options and time here.
Or maybe it’s us PS4 owners that are tired of getting gimped versions of multiplatform games. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But no, of course it’s those nasty people attacking poor old Sony. Fuck people’s Fortnite accounts. Fuck people who want the current version of Minecraft and not some old version that is literally only on the PS4. Fuck people who are baffled that Nintendo have versions of games with better online features than PS4. Fuck PS4 owners that can’t join in the Era Pinball FX3 tournament because PS4 is the only platform that doesn’t other cross platform tournament leaderboards. Console warriors the lot of ‘em.

Imagine thinking like this.
 

MPrza

Member
Oct 30, 2017
237
It's a big enough deal for me that Switch had become my main Fortnite platform. Allows me to play anywhere and team up with my kids and nieces who are on their Switches or iPhones. Sorry Sony, you wrong on this one.