I don´t know what Sony would gain from following Microsofts footsteps. The Xbox division makes about 50% of the revenue of the Playstatiion division and is dead last in console sales, momentum annd mindshare.
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Sony's Strategy for next gen involve releasing games on more than one platform, your thoughts?
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Sales? Look to Halo Steam numbers... now Imagine Uncharted, Last of US, God of War, Horizon and Spiderman on PC? They will sell a lot.
People who say no 99.9% are fanboys...
No one is saying this. You are missing the point of the argument. The argument is if there is a need limit your platform to a single plastic box.
Financial reasons? PC isn't a competitor and Microsoft just realized it first.
Putting Last of Us 2 on PC isn't going to diminish PS4/PS5 sales. There's no reason not to put their games on PC at this point.
The PS4 built off of what the PS3 laid the groundwork for. The second half of the PS3 lifespan became known for how high quality its exclusives were like Uncharted, TLoU, GoW etc. Sony stated early on this generation that around a third of all PS4 owners never owned a PS3. It's a big reason why something like TLoU Remastered sold more on the PS4 than on the PS3. People heard all the praise for it and finally got a chance to play it now that they'd moved to a new console. People knew that if they wanted to play those exclusives then they needed a PS4. And Sony's built off of that with Guerrilla having their break out game this generation. Insomniac made the biggest game of their history, along with Rachet being more successful than previous entry. And even SSM had their biggest success with GoW 2018.
Aside from that, anyone that pays attention to PS knows that a significant part of its revenue comes from PSN. And by significant, I mean that PSN alone last year made Sony more revenue than Nintendo's total revenue for the year. If you don't need to own a PS anymore to play their exclusives, then you don't need to be subscribed to PSN. Yes, games like FIFA, CoD and NBA sell a lot, but those exclusives are what keep them locked into the ecosystem in the first place. Uncharted 4 was announced before the PS4 was even announced. So it's a great example of a huge game that people knew was coming even if it wasn't available at launch.
People buying a PS4, peripherals, PS+ subscriptions, games etc. is worth a lot more than selling a few games on Steam.
Sorry but this is complete nonsense. PC gaming is in direct competition to console gaming. And yes, putting TLoU 2 on PC would hurt PS sales and the brand as a whole.
Sure, but a lot of people actively choose to NOT buy a PC. You aren’t getting a ray tracing VR capable PC for $500. Not gonna happen. Like most players don’t want PCs. Think again globally about the highest selling titles.
It would definitely diminish ps4/ps5 sales. You have people in this very thread declaring that if Sony were to do this then they would never buy a playstation console. I would wager that a non-insignificant percentage of the market wouldn't either. Also, Microsoft's current strategy is a reaction to how poorly their console has performed in relation to the competition this gen. If the roles between them and Sony this gen were reversed, Microsoft would have been much more hesitant to put first party titles on other platforms.
Sony's primary business with PlayStation is a platform holder and I don't see how releasing 1st party games on PC helps their platform business. Now could they attempt to expand the PS platform to PC? Sure but most companies have failed trying to displace steam.
Sony is on record stating that they don't want 1st party sales on PlayStation to exceed 30% of total software sales so they aren't in the videogame business to sell the most 1st party games but to create a viable ecosystem in which to collect license fees for 3rd party games.
Everyone talking about all the money from selling software Sony is missing out on not realizing that Sony is doing potentially the most profitable thing in creating a system where they collect fees without the risk or investment of actually funding a game.
If Sony were to ever successfully create a platform for selling 3rd party games on PC equal to that of what they currently have on PlayStation you'll start seeing threads about why Sony doesn't make as many games anymore.
Sony is on record stating that they don't want 1st party sales on PlayStation to exceed 30% of total software sales so they aren't in the videogame business to sell the most 1st party games but to create a viable ecosystem in which to collect license fees for 3rd party games.
Everyone talking about all the money from selling software Sony is missing out on not realizing that Sony is doing potentially the most profitable thing in creating a system where they collect fees without the risk or investment of actually funding a game.
If Sony were to ever successfully create a platform for selling 3rd party games on PC equal to that of what they currently have on PlayStation you'll start seeing threads about why Sony doesn't make as many games anymore.
I want Sony to make as much money as possible so they keep funding the kind of games i like. Making their platform pointless is definitely not the way to go. The few extra copies of their games they can sell on PC is not going to make up for the loss of money that would happen if people don't have to get a playstation. Someone on the fence between a PS5 and a PC would not have any reason to get the former if the exclusives are available everywhere. Which means that's a person Sony lost for an entire generation, every multiplat they buy is not going to give them any money, not to mention PS+.
Sony would basically become valve at that point and become content selling third party multiplats and only rarely making first party titles.
Yes you are right Xbox is at least not first when it comes to consoles selling well but at the same time they've found a sort of a goldmine with Game pass on PC and MS will continue to try and get as many revenue streams from the PC as much as possible since they really need that to keep pace with Sony. Its a brand new revenue stream for the company. Don't you think Sony notices that and wants a pie of that when it gets really big? Sony regardless still keeps an eye on MS who is their direct competitor and especially with the new Xbox coming, things are gonna get heated. Sony absolutely will still try to compete with MS if its generating a lot of revenue and money for the company. At the end of the day they value making money and PC is distinct and different enough from consoles that they can venture there and expand their playstation brand on a software level.
It's not going to hurt the value proposition of PS5. The number of PCs capable of running PS5 games (at the same level of PS5) will not be large enough for Sony to concern themselves with it for quite a while.
Even then, I think this will more than likely apply to indie titles, timed exclusives, or big budget partnerships like Death Stranding. Basically a way to leverage their platform & lure in 3rd party developers to better expand their library w/out investing solely in 1st party studios.
Even then, I think this will more than likely apply to indie titles, timed exclusives, or big budget partnerships like Death Stranding. Basically a way to leverage their platform & lure in 3rd party developers to better expand their library w/out investing solely in 1st party studios.
Last year Xbox made more money than Nintendo.
Currently We don't know the price of PS5 :)
And on PC I can play PC, Xbox and PS5 (If the rumor is true) games, so people that buy console will miss out tons of titles. Basically console are not worth it anymore because you're paying $500 for what? for less games compared to PC? I hope this rumor is not true.
Sure you can qualify these multiples instances of Sony exploring or breaking rival platform exclusivity and that has merit to the discussion. It's still fundamentally different from Nintendo though where there's zero track record of them doing the same. That's the point, it's different discussion here because Sony's opened this door while Nintendo has not and has given no indications they even might (quite the opposite in fact). That's why doing a NintendoToo here objectively falls flat, it was a transparent attempt at diversion and stifling discussion and that's why I called it out.
Exactly since they would no longer need to invest heavily in software to sell hardware. Seems people don't realize the majority of games sold are 3rd party games. You can only get so big selling your own games on your own storefront. The key to massive profit is controlling the platform.
Funny thing, a lot were fast to jump to "Layden said that and he's not there anymore so maybe they abandoned those plans" while you can argue the opposite too and it makes even more sense:
"Layden didn't want it, Ryan did, that's one of the reasons Shawn was "invited to leave" Playstation"
After all, if it was Layden who wanted this we would've heard of it sooner as he was in the charge for a while (edit: only of SIE, I know, but those are the games we're talking about)but if it's Ryan it makes sense that they started allowing PC ports of former exclusives recently after he took the top spot in the division.
Not saying that's the case, just that there's the same amount of evidence for one and the other
Those people don't even make up 0.0001% of the market.
PC is absolutely not in direct competition to the console market and is there any statistics or figures of games on PC hurting the console sales?
Yes it is. It’s a similar experience/product. And how would having a weaker exclusive lineup not hurt a console? I mean that’s pretty much self explanatory.
This greatly disregards the fact that the PS4 launched as the cheapest console for AAA multiplats without bad PR coming from how to play and/or share games. Sales of PS4 exclusives definitely benefited from this.
Many PS4 exclusives are single player experiences that many love, but don’t find much of a reason to go back to very often since they’re single player. What keeps them locked into the Playstation ecosystem are the games that are heavily online, pick up and play, and get updates to stay fresh year around. Those games really don’t make up much of the PS4’s exclusive lineup. Those games are multi platform, and there are literally millions of PS4 owners that use the system to mainly play multiplats.
Exclusives that aren’t on other consoles are definitely still important, but the majority of console gamers simply want good, popular games on a regular basis—regardless of if they’re exclusive or not. Comparing the sales of the Wii U to the Xbox One during the 2013-2014 period pretty much show this even though the Wii U (at least in my opinion) had a far better exclusive library at the time.
The way that games come out on a regular basis is from there being gaming platforms with many players. The chance of this happening becomes lower if games remained locked to $500 consoles that don’t have decent sized user bases until ~3 years after they release. It’s not sustainable these days.
Look at the library of the PS4. Take away all of the multiplats. The number of true exclusives are FAR less than the system’s predecessors. This upcoming shift is really the only way for these companies to go.
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The top selling console games on PlayStation and Xbox every year would look very different if console gamers truly hated using their consoles to play games that are available on PC. There’s more to a console’s success than just exclusives. The Wii U (a system I really enjoyed during its time) showed this really well. Far more factors that come into play this day/age.
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More people being able to enjoy their games is the best. I'm most likely buying a PS5 for their exclusives, anyway.
They didn't even find interesting to publish these games themselves.
That hints something about how they consider the amount of money feasible on PC reported to costs.
XB is 55+ million behind PS4 in sales. How the heck would you know if it doesn't diminish sales? Sounds like to me Sony should just keep their own strategy because it's working.
For the thread, it needs to stay in it's own ecosystem.
Not true.
That's just the beginning as I've told people over and over.
Samesies. PLEASE Sony release your games on PC so I dont have to put up with 30fps exclusives.
As I said in my previous post, the PS4 had FAR less true exclusives than any previous Playstation console. Previous Playstation consoles had
3+ entries in various non-yearly AAA franchises within one gaming generation. These days we’re fortunate to get just one entry during a gen, with two becoming less frequent/highly unlikely.
$500 consoles every 5 years with no compatibility for devs to scale and/or bring games to other platforms isn’t sustainable.
Same. I'm doing it anyway, unlike most, I didn't enjoy playstation exclusives this gen all that much.
You do realize that the man in the article who: """""predicted"""" that DS would come to PC.... Only did so because there was a press release when the game was first announced that briefly mentioned a PC version before being scurbbed. He didn't have any insider information and used the same source that everyone who believed the game was coming to PC used.
Doesn’t that guy have a horrible track record with rumors? That’s why the thread here got locked.
What's wrong with you. First, you downplay PS exclusives and now you are excited about ''not being'' exclusives anymore.
Thanks to the unreliable source we can see what you did there.
I don't know. Spite? For whatever reason I still treat this like a team sport.
At least we now know where his hate for PS exclusives came from. lol
Are you an insider or something? Anyway this is very good news, I would be more than happy to never buy another console.
why not open their own storefront? is that some sort of medieval tax to pass the bridge?
I don't think they will release the majority of their first party titles on PC and they won't hit PSNow day 1. I think they will make their way to PSNow sooner than ever before, but not day 1.
I shouldn't be surprised there are so many votes for "I want my exclusives to stay within the PlayStation ecosystem" but I still am a bit. As a consumer, why would you actually want that?
It's a weird poll because that's not what I want but it's what I think will happen so I dunno what to vote for.
New here?
Kidding : )
But Sony opening a storefront on PC would create the most epic threads here Sony vs Steam. Bring it on!