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Sophie Turner Blasts the 'Disrespectful' GoT Petition
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I haven't seen any of the criticism being leveled at the actors and production stuff. This was the most eventful season by far and they did it in 6 episodes. I don't know what the hell the writers were thinking. A lot of people are disappointed that their favorite characters didn't have more to work with.
I think it's mostly this + lack of source material. I don't doubt we would have made it to Season 10 with the books being out. Expecting D&D to fill seasons worth of nuance, rich dialogue, intricate storylines completely on their own when they signed on to adapt a book series having little prior experience, is always gonna be naive.
Yeah I have no doubt everybody worked super hard, and the episode are still fun to watch, but I mean, doesn't Sophie Turner get paid like half a million dollars for each episode? Like I get it, you put years of your life and blood and sweat and tears into it, but you also made millions of dollars, it's not like it was a volunteer situation or something.
On the flipside, people have every right to be upset about a show they paid hundreds of dollars to watch over a decade ending with a super rushed, poorly written 8 episodes like 2 years after the previous season.
On the flipside, people have every right to be upset about a show they paid hundreds of dollars to watch over a decade ending with a super rushed, poorly written 8 episodes like 2 years after the previous season.
Personally I don't think they rushed it. From their point of view at least.
They had a rough outline and didn't have a way to flesh it out into complete seasons. What we got was really just that outline without the 1000+ pages attached to it.
The book has been in development for 8 years. They could never match that so they just filmed the outline with the minimum scenes to connect it all. And it didn't land. Because an outline without character development and stories to flesh it out is not something it works and you end up with two seasons that could've been four. But they didn't have anything but the outline and no way to make it into a full story.
It's a rushed mess but I believe it when they say they didn't have more story and this was the plan.
They had a rough outline and didn't have a way to flesh it out into complete seasons. What we got was really just that outline without the 1000+ pages attached to it.
The book has been in development for 8 years. They could never match that so they just filmed the outline with the minimum scenes to connect it all. And it didn't land. Because an outline without character development and stories to flesh it out is not something it works and you end up with two seasons that could've been four. But they didn't have anything but the outline and no way to make it into a full story.
It's a rushed mess but I believe it when they say they didn't have more story and this was the plan.
You know I'm actually curious what the difference of opinion is between the actors of the show depending on how their character ended. I imagine Sophie appreciates the ending better because Sansa ended on a more favorable note than Emilia's Daenerys.
Well I'm sure Lucas also genuinely actually believed Jar Jar was a great idea that would go over great. No one goes into these things thinking it'll fail.
I don't think from D&D's POV there was ever much alternative anyway. Handing the show over to someone else and not finishing it would hurt the ego too much.
But doing another 1-2 seasons would also hold back their individual careers.
So they chose to compromise the show's ending and condense it.
But in doing so they were always playing with fire. Well there's a lot of fire now predictably.
Are you kidding me right now? We're taking the "no one is unbiased" angle?
I'm a heck of a lot more unbiased compared to Sophie.
The actors actually strike me as the ones most willing to want to leave. They can get paid for far easier work. Especially for the core cast looking to move more into movies. The behind-the-scenes interview done around the Long Night episode made them sound absolutely miserable lol
I mean if you think those guys are bad storytellers, then isn't the simplest explanation for why the final seasons were rushed, bad, whatever is that...they're bad storytellers?
Lmao come on man. Dont be dense
I think toxic fandom like this petition has done a lot of damage lately, and situations like to TLJ, ME3, Capt Marvel etc should be a warning to where it goes. allowing it to go uncriticized is a mistake
Yup Dany should have given her to drogon as a nice treat for the upcoming battle.False queen.
The hilarious irony is the rushed Dany ending mirrored D&Ds situation ... they worked for years on something incredible only to get to the finish line and basically burn it down to ashes inexplicably.
Now I guess the upset fans are driving a knife through their hearts lol.
Now I guess the upset fans are driving a knife through their hearts lol.
Not no one, anyone who hasn't engaged with the show would be unbiased. And yes you are less biased but you got Targaryen in your username.
Most of the fans are Tyrions now, there are still some Jons left in denial. 😂
Hey I'm not the one framing people wanting their entertainment to be... entertaining as "entitlement". Nobody but a small minority is actually entitled, they're just displeased because the showrunners made some of the worst story decisions in a TV show.
dany fans will never be happy because they are too busy waiting for dany to tell them what to be happy for. they'll wait forever considering the mad queen got rekt
They're going to go live off the TV and just in the books ala Jon going north of the wall, lol.
I actually like the Dany dies ending, that's totally GRRM, but D&D botched it badly.
Don't disagree with a single word she said.
Looks like she's triggered the privileged manbabies who think they are owed something.
Looks like she's triggered the privileged manbabies who think they are owed something.
It's being ridiculed and talked about in terms that aren't endearing.
Exactly.
Season 8 took two years to make. Two years! Every other season took one. They literally doubled their amount of time on the last season of the show! I'm not sure why you keep glossing over this, but they did not save themselves any time for moving on with their careers.
For you maybe but it's getting legit coverage on outlets like CNN, CBC etc. etc. whether you like it or not.
If you don't even believe that one I'm not going to bother linking the other 2 pieces of evidence I came across.
Believe what you want to believe.
she's wrong ned stark plot twist nobody wanted, but it was awesome and well made the same thing with the red wedding, this ending and its twists are bad written and developed its not the actors or crew fault the photography was amazing as some actors and special effects, its the writers fault.
This show really needed longer than that to end and they only spent 6 months actually filming it.
They needed really two more seasons probably given all that needed to be covered, but you can't have Star Wars until 2025 if that's the case.
Condensing the show and rushing the ending as much as possible was the compromise that was chosen. I don't think history will judge that decision well.
I agree with this a LOT. And it's like the height of irony too because a lot of the same people who criticize the toxicity of the fandom of those you mentioned are the very same ones in this very thread and the dozens of other threads being extremely toxic. I feel like people are super up in their feelings and need to just take a step back and realize that it's just entertainment.
Because it was fake, my god, are you that naive? Do you believe everything you read and see on the internet?
Please post the other pieces of evidence because if they are completely factual then fair enough, I'll apologize.
If people on Era arent using the terms toxic, nuance, hyperbole or entitlement, then it all breaks down into a chaos soup.
I like how Emilia Clarke has taken the high road and has either chose to not make a big deal out of it or not said anything at all when asked, even though her character was screwed the most. Actually scratch that, she has actually been kinda intrsted in it:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/0...ition-with-what-she-wants-changed-in-season-8
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/0...ition-with-what-she-wants-changed-in-season-8
i bet we're getting laughed at now by the folks who signed the petition on here about how much more time we're spending on this than they did signing it. we've been had
dark phoenix will flop now
dark phoenix will flop now
The people who support the petition are glad they went from a internet message board joke to a national news joke.
I was just talking about this with a co-worker. The confidence with which people state things like "All because they wanted to rush out the door to get working on Star Wars." is actually amazing to me. It is a perverse blend of tabloid culture, agenda setting theory and illusory truth.
GRRM himself is far more pragmatic about the realities of TV and film production. He understands the hurdles of talent gathering, the strict nature of a near finalized script, and cost. He talks about this a lot -- things that he would have loved to have seen in the series but just weren't practical or possible.
Just look at the budget for this series. Season 6 peaked around $10million per episode. ~100million for the season. Season 8 is sitting at $15million per episode or ~$90million for the season by reports. That heavily implies that HBO has a finite amount of money that they are willing to allocate to production. Perhaps they are holding back, but that is their decision. The money is pretty consistent and speaks for itself. It's a monumental feat that we ever made it this far (from season 1 production and budget, to seasons 6-8).
So lets say we had more time to build exposition. Another 2, 3, 4 episodes? How much exposition would have been needed to please the unhappy fans? We have no reason to believe that HBO is ready to pay this much for a single season. So then the conversation moves to more seasons, but how long are all the people involved expected to keep this up? It has already been a decade since production started. I'm sure some of them want to stick around and collect a paycheck. But many will have been ready to move on. You can't tie these people up forever. (Except George. Get back to Santa Fe and keep writing! *whip crack*)
She's isn't wrong, there's a lot of talented people who put their all behind the show (set designers, costume designers, composers, actors, sfx teams). But the final season was a poorly executed, badly written, massively rushed, mess that largely pissed away anything interesting that was built up over years, which makes it hard to appropriate the good part.
I have no interest in signing a pointless petition, but I can understand why a significant amount of people are upset and it's not as simple as "just because it didn't go the way they wanted" I don't really have too much of a problem with how it went, if executed well, with proper build and good writing I'd have probably loved it even, but it didn't.
I have no interest in signing a pointless petition, but I can understand why a significant amount of people are upset and it's not as simple as "just because it didn't go the way they wanted" I don't really have too much of a problem with how it went, if executed well, with proper build and good writing I'd have probably loved it even, but it didn't.
The petition would require everyone involved - cast, crew, extras, staff- to fly back and reshoot their scenes for months. It's disrespectful, it's also an embarrassing example of the worst and most entitled nerds.
Those twists you pointed out as well written are almost at verbatim that way in the books.
I have no horse in this race as I ditched the series with S5 because lets be real, the point were they ran out of the book material the series went to shit. But to me it seems D&D aren't those amazing storytellers everyone made them out to be these past few years.
They did a pretty good job adapting the books but that's it. No real interest in anything going forward where they are extensively involved in writing.