Gotta exaggerate it into a controversy, innit. Otherwise, who is going to click?
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I hate shit-stirrers.
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Sophie Turner Blasts the 'Disrespectful' GoT Petition
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I hate shit-stirrers.
It's not just fans that are reacting badly to the final season either, the critics are giving the final season shockingly low scores relative to other seasons as well in several instances.
Careful, if you keep going I won't be able to rein my hormones in
You can defend your work without dismissing legitimate criticism, I feel. The issue is her blanket handwaving of anyone unhappy as "people mad things didn't go their way". That's poor form.
Some are, some aren't, as evidenced here.
This also makes my pet peeve sense go off.
It's the worst rated season of the show, which makes me wonder why this petition is even necessary lol.
The word is already out.
As much as the critics have crapped on season 8, the frustration in the fanbase is much more palpable and this petition just took off like a rocket.
Filming for S8 ran for 9 months. And then there's a shit load of post-production work to follow.
I don't even know what you're arguing. We watched S7 in 2017. We watched S8 in 2019. That's a two-year gap, yes? So unless D&D were sitting on their asses most of that time, and HBO was perfectly content with having the show skip a year so that they could sit on their asses, then no time was actually saved here. If the goal was to move on with their careers asap, there were plenty of other, easier ways to do it. They could have rushed something out in 2018 if they didn't care about rushing things, or could've just wrapped up the story with a longer S7 (which also means that season would've taken longer to air but it would've still dropped sometime last year, cutting a year off their GoT lives).
I'm not even arguing that S8 wasn't rushed - I agree it would've benefited from having a couple more episodes. But those extra couple episodes would not have been make or break for D&D's Star Wars career. An eight-episode season 8 would've still aired this summer, if not still April.
I'm honestly not really invested in the show so I don't care much, but I seem to see the disappointment circling around the fact that it felt extremely rushed, and The path to the ending itself in that regard rather than people didn't like certain things that happened.
Throwing tantrums about how certain media unfold is always silly to me, but it's completely valid to say the writing fucked up if it indeed fucked up. But that's a matter of opinion like anything.
Throwing tantrums about how certain media unfold is always silly to me, but it's completely valid to say the writing fucked up if it indeed fucked up. But that's a matter of opinion like anything.
The petition is:
David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have proven themselves to be woefully incompetent writers when they have no source material (i.e. the books) to fall back on.
This series deserves a final season that makes sense.
Subvert my expectations and make it happen, HBO!
Talk about poor form. I also don't see a ton of detailed or legitimate criticism, just attacks.
I'm not defending the petition, nor have I ever done so. The petition is fucking stupid.
I am however taking issue with someone who has worked on something deciding to brand all criticism people have of their work as "people aren't happy it didn't go as expected".
Shooting went from July 2018 to mid December 2018 I believe.
This story if we are gonna be real really actually needed another 10 episode FULL season.
You can rush some shows but that was never GoT's forte, GoT was always about the slow burn and character pieces not plot being rammed down ones throat.
Trying to accelerate this show was always a bad idea, but doing so for the finale ... you're really begging to be burned now.
They needed to seriously be honest with themselves and admit they had too much story to do in just one season and owned up to that and let someone else finish the show if they just had to move on for Star Wars 2022.
But they couldn't do that. Which hilariously somewhat mirrors what TV Dany does.
Yeah, when people starting to defend this shit petition you know they are off the deep end.
I doubt she's seen much in the way of legitimate criticism though, it's hard to filter through the shit. Also quite a lot of the criticism is about Dany not being on the throne (most of the arguments I've been having have been with Dany avatars...) so while sure it is blanket handwaving as there other criticisms, I can see why she said it.
Out of interest what did you expect her to say to that question? Of course she's biased and that leads to handwaving, we all do it, though. I really don't see what else she could have said about the criticism when a lot of it is just noise.
But I got Targaryen in my username? And we should let people who are not engaged review this season or something?
I would have responded with "I can see a lot of fans are presumably unhappy with the ending of this series, and while I sympathize with their disappointment, I would like to say that I stand by our work, and am proud of what we delivered."
This acknowledges the issue, does not trivialize it, and also maintains support for my work.
This whole thread is about the petition. The petition is shit, doesnt have anything to do with legitimate critisism. You might have a legitimate critisism bit that petition does not.
Her comments were specific to the petition, not to all fans who had some qualms or misgivings.
I never said no reviews, but to call yourself unbiased is incredibly disingenuous.But I got Targaryen in my username? And we should let people who are not engaged review this season or something?
S8 shooting was from October 2017 to July 2018. Though it's possible they did some reshoots further in 2018 after that.
What was the point of you mentioning them then? Semantics?
Apologies, I didn't realise having Targaryen in my username would make me biased. I can no longer critique this season apparently.
The petition is super dumb but criticism isn't disrespectful and I'd guess a good portion of those that signed it are only using the petition as "I don't like this at all" button. Don't think anyone with a slither of sanity really thinks it would refilmed or whatever.
With that being said I can totally understand why she would be protective of people that are probably her friends of 11 years, friends she made art with. I just hope the worst elements of this fandom don't make her target, probably a fruitless hope though.
With that being said I can totally understand why she would be protective of people that are probably her friends of 11 years, friends she made art with. I just hope the worst elements of this fandom don't make her target, probably a fruitless hope though.
Neither the petition's creator nor the vast majority of the signers take the petition's title literally, and anecdotally, virtually all the criticism I've seen and participated in of the season has been exclusively of the writing/showrunners — not the crew, not the actors. Hell, there's been a groundswell of support for Emilia Clarke, who delivered an excellent performance attempting to salvage this season's poor writing, and who has openly talked about how her character's treatment this season grieved her.
This petition is just a message. Another avenue to express displeasure with the showrunners' decision to rush to a poorly realized ending, rather than taking their time to do the material justice (or if they were tired of it, passing the baton). We know HBO wanted more episodes and seasons, and was prepared to give them all the resources necessary to make that happen — but D&D declined.
Again, there is no actual expectation that the season could or would be remade. The message is simply "this was poorly written enough that it should be." And you know what? If that makes HBO reconsider allowing their shows to be rushed off so the showrunners can go to other projects, or if this negative PR makes Disney/LucasFilms back off of hiring D&D, who've demonstrated a consistent propensity for misogynistic, homophobic, and racist writing/decisions... well, I would be okay with that too.
Ok that's fair but the question asked about vitriol, is that how she should really respond to vitriol, by basically sympathizing?
This article gives an insight into the mental health issues she's gone through, out of all of the cast she has got some of the most hate:
https://www.capitalfm.com/news/tv-film/game-thrones/sophie-turner-sansa-stark-break/
So I forgive her for not being particularly diplomatic with her response. Again, sure it is handwaving, but it wasn't exactly a deep dive into her thoughts so I wouldn't drag her too much for making a blanket statement.
Funny that you ignore the massive follow-up the creator made after the petition he clearly made in jest blew up:
I never mentioned reviewers, I said someone who hasn't engaged with the show would be unbiased.
Anyone who watched it has a biased oppinion you, me, reviewer's. I never said you cant criticize, but you cant attack someones oppinion as biased when you yourself are.
If the past is anything to go by, she's about to get dunked on by rabid mobs on YT and the like.
Hope that isn't the case.
After 1 mil people had signed it for the original reason that was stated in the petition...
The maker of the petition trying to walk back on it some doesn't change what happened before.
... Actually, that's not a bad idea. I'm for it. They've got to have enough footage on the cutting room floor to make it work.
Game of Thrones: Special Edition. Give it the George Lucas treatment.
... I want to watch it all burn.
"But we signed a petition!"
D&D : And this gives you power over me?
Why do people keep acting like this changes anything?
In fact it makes him look even worse. Going from a troll petition to it really hurt me guys :,(
It's probably also tough because GoT has largely lived a charmed life for most of its run.
It has been the golden child of TV since 2011 ... having such a negative blow back from a defining final season is probably hard to accept.
Sure, I agree with all of that. I was not aware of her larger struggles with mental health at all, so I apologize for my earlier comment.
Cursed gif... Actually, that's not a bad idea. I'm for it. They've got to have enough footage on the cutting room floor to make it work.
Game of Thrones: Special Edition. Give it the George Lucas treatment.
... I want to watch it all burn.
What do the people who signed the petition expect to get out of the message they are sending?
Probably, but they'll include all the dropped storylines instead of "winging it".
I would absolutely pay for this, haha.... Actually, that's not a bad idea. I'm for it. They've got to have enough footage on the cutting room floor to make it work.
Game of Thrones: Special Edition. Give it the George Lucas treatment.
... I want to watch it all burn.
I think the message is to tread fucking carefully when you have a cultural phenomenon on your hands and don't rush it.
Ideally, these underqualified, mediocre, and frequently bigoted white men are fired from Star Wars and replaced with a woman or person of color to give that franchise some much-needed diversity behind the camera. More ideally, they never work in Hollywood again.
That was my question, what's the point of mentioning people who aren't engaged with the show?
Because you're arguing fucking semantics, I never attacked her opinion, it's simply a fact that she's biased, and it doesn't take rocket science to realise that she's a shitton more biased than people who watch the show but haven't worked on it.
"What happened before" was that a petition blew up due to elements in play that were out of that guy's control.
Are you expecting us to turn him into a pariah because he didn't immediately take it down at the first instance of it getting big? If so then you're severely overestimating the actual impact this petition has and will have; either that or severely overestimating the severity of what the petition 'demands'.
What in the flying fuck. You gotta be fucking kidding. Jesus christ.
This is morbid and just...
fucking hell...
You are taking this way too fucking serious. Especially the last part.
Holy shit.