Why are they entitled to a job making millions of dollars as a writer or director? They can go get a normal job like the rest of us.
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Sophie Turner Blasts the 'Disrespectful' GoT Petition
- Thread starter ManaByte
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Why are they entitled to a job making millions of dollars as a writer or director? They can go get a normal job like the rest of us.
Normal job? It's a job that earned them lots of money. Some people have jobs that earns them tons of money.
Having 2 writers never to be allowed to work in Hollywood because they didn't tell the story you wanted is insane.
I'm sure she's getting a ton of shit from TRUE FANS for this, but I see where she's coming from. Even as someone who can admit that the final season was rushed as hell and had numerous flaws, the petition is fucking idiotic and it's entirely understandable that someone who worked on the show from the very beginning would defend it, having seen firsthand the sheer amount of work and effort put into it in order to make it the undeniably gargantuan success it was and is.
Wait, GoT is responsible for the problems with capitalism now?
Don't get me wrong: I don't think anyone should earn millions while others starve.
I agree. It's simply rushed. (Well it also had bad writing, din't get me wrong..). Two seasons seems a bit much imo but that certainly could have worked. For this season three or four episodes would have helped a lot in storybuilding and ending character-arcs properly.
It is asking for that literally and why ask something when you actually want another thing? People do want a remake. But a lot of people want different things remade in different ways. So that's why now it's suddenly a signal. Because people realize there would never be consensus among different fans of different characters and storylines. So it's an ineffective petition and all It has done is become a huge internet event that people wanted to be part of.
For different reasons.
and they did. It is one dimesional now. The only critisism that was conveyed was: D&D are horrible writers.
But a lot of people mean different things with that since they root for different outcomes. It's not like there is any consensus among people who signed that petition. The final season was rushed. Episode 4 is absolute proof for that. That should have been multiple episodes. But the petition doesn't give any constructive criticism at all. It doesn't help in any way.
People are now just happy they were part of that. With no result aside from sad actors.
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Doesn't the petition literally say it is not seriously asking for a remake just that it's a venue to express disappointment?
Hopefully a message to HBO to handle a situation like this differently the next time, like the spin off show(s) that are going to come.
You are being disingenuous as there are plenty of posters here who are defending the existence of the petition. Please do not troll by trying to say that is not the case.
I don't know why that would be a bad thing. I'm sure they would love the work. I mean, it's literally how they make a living.
That's cool. I do understand your point of view about the handwaving and Sophie isn't the only one to do it either. It is frustrating that constructive criticism gets lost and lumped in with all the other trash that gets posted on the internet and it does seem like they are missing the point like you said. The passionate criticism is mainly because they have all done such a great job of getting us completely consumed by the world of GoT and if they could see that and see what the criticisms were aimed at and ignore all the insults then that would be cool.. Maybe one day.
But I choose to look at it from their point of view and I would do exactly what they are doing right now. Especially if what they thought they created was incredible and amazing and then they go on social media and see all the complaints. It can't be easy, whether that is part of fame/money or not.
I'm not putting the blame just on the petition creator, all he did was decide to start a hot take petition, and yeah it blew up. All the people that signed it before he clarified what he meant to achieve with the petition though...
Only after it reached 1 mil signatures did the guy update saying that.
...probably had the same view of the situation as the update or simply didn't care too much about something they knew was just a silly message.
In which way different? To push the writers to make more episodes? To contractually obligate writers to write more than they say?
How is HBO suppose to know that let's say 3 season with 10 episodes each is too little for The Long Night prequel and it needs 4 seasons?
From all the stuff I read after it aired I wouldn't be so sure.
Edit: Read through some of the "reasons for signing" to get an idea of what I mean.
Well, personally, I'd prefer it if D&D — who as I said, have demonstrated a constant propensity for all sorts of grossness, to say nothing of their poor original screenwriting capability — didn't have a guiding hand on a second major pop cultural phenomenon, because the nihilistic and ignorant views they espouse through their writing are incompatible with a Disney/LucasFilms that is committed to diversity, and their writing style is pure "Shock Value" trash.
But I can't wait to be quoted and dismissed as some angry fan because I talk about values and hold writers to standards higher than the ground, lol.
Well did you write that in a comment in the petition? Because the petition doesn't mention anything about diversity as far as I know.
It's a dumb petition, but we all know it ain't gonna happen, so people should just ignore it.
Just let these people vent by signing the petition. They'll move on eventually. Heck I bet most of the people who signed will still watch the prequels or even D&D's Star Wars films.
Just let these people vent by signing the petition. They'll move on eventually. Heck I bet most of the people who signed will still watch the prequels or even D&D's Star Wars films.
To not sign contracts with showrunners that give them total control. They got fucked over because of that. D&D would've been let go ages ago.
No pushing, but let writers go when they are not fully on board anymore, and keep a closer eye on the quality. GRRM even said it needed more seasons.
Yes, I did. :)
I imagine people have all sorts of varying problems with GOT's writing, which they are venting through the petition — some with specificity, some not. The petition's message of "this isn't good enough" is broadly fine, though.
I mean, this I get.
People dogpiled on the Dexter finale showrunner Scott Buck too after it aired. Why? Because people kind of knew what to expect from him after that.
So... yeah, people got what they expected.
If you're not a fan of what D&D were making, there's good reason to assume that moving them to an even bigger project - like Star Wars - might not produce the results you want either.
I can see this point better, but do we know that D&D had full control and the contract said only they could run the show?
You'd be right to tell them that. The petition doesn't say a fucking thing though. Just "D&D suck!"
My comment did. But "D&D suck" is, broadly, very correct. So I don't mind signing the petition as a message, even if no one reads my comment.
It's telling that S8's final episodes, despite their herculean budgets and effects, are so lowly rated. The writing is simply not there, because they, as writers, are simply not there.
This. You don't want ruin too much of a good thing by being stagnant simply for having too many seasons & having a show no longer be enjoyable because of that.
Look at The Simpsons, for example.
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Grow up, fellow nerds. It is what it is.
Oh but Square better not dare add an inch to Tifa's mini skirt in FFVII Remake or we'll call censorship until the cows come home!
Oh but Square better not dare add an inch to Tifa's mini skirt in FFVII Remake or we'll call censorship until the cows come home!
Pretty much yes. When the creator and company is begging you to do more episodes and willing to give you whatever you want, that tells you everything.
So it's done to show frustration and dissapointment but he will share any messages HBO sends? Sounds like they all don't want to secretly admit they want the season redone but even they know it's mad to demand it in earnest.
That's some weird extrapolation from the petition maker saying they'd share any updates if they get them.
They flat out said it in an interview. Read between the lines. You seem so interested in not believing anything.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulta...nes-final-seasons-was-a-mistake/#7736f147788a
Not really. It's a lot like when someone does something just to get a message out but they secretly refresh their gmail waiting for a response. It's the ultimate, "it doesn't matter" scenario because if they don't get a response then he has already said they don't care and don't actually believe they will get a response / redo. If they do get a response he will share it with everyone. He is open to communication with HBO and that's the branch that is extended. He would like a response but has enough deniability that he can *shrug* it off if there is none.
That is contradicting.
I usually believe things when I don't need to read between the lines. Politics is a bit different however.
It would behoove you to do five seconds of googling, yourself, if you're skeptical of something. Martin has been open for years about wanting them to do more seasons than they planned, and HBO has too. D&D even confirmed it themselves.
https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/george-r-r-martin-game-of-thrones-emmys-1202945427/
https://ew.com/tv/2019/04/09/game-of-thrones-season-8-showrunners-interview/
https://www.theringer.com/game-of-t...794/game-of-thrones-ending-too-quickly-pacing
Oh I didn't realize I'm not allowed to criticize a thing because somebody worked hard on it. I'll be quiet and just eat it up like a good consumer.
Everyone has their trigger... A Phantom Menace. A Clone Saga. A Dexter lumberjack. A Hydra Cap. A Carol Danvers pregnancy. Jumping the Shark. Punching the Boulder. A Metroid Other M. Nuking the Fridge. Etc.
And everyone, myself included, will probably want to rage about something eventually.
*shrug* It is what it is.
What is the approved method of voicing my discontent then? Because she certainly said it. People on this forum have said it.
Her comments were about a bunch of angry nerds petitioning the season to be remade. She didn't say you couldn't criticise anything, nor did anyone else.
You're damned either way. Lots of shows lingered and had fans worried that they went a season or two too long (Dexter, Lost, Seinfeld, etc...). I don't think the honchos at HBO said "fuck it, let's wrap it up quickly regardless of quality". There was no ill intent on their behalf from all we know.
I never said there weren't, but defending the petition puts you in the getting laughed at camp.
I saw the spoilers and understand that they rushed this season. With that said, this petition thing is hilariously sad and wrong on all levels, in my opinion. I don't even like Sophie Turner, but she is spot on here.