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South Carolina Democratic Debate, 8PM ET on CBS | Can Love Bloom on the Battlefield
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The same tactic he's trying now from what I've heard. He bullied his way there with money and favors.
That's a great argument worth pocketing until the epidemic spreads to the US.
The best thing we could do for a Democratic debate would be to just put someone like Jon Stewart on stage as the moderator with control over the mics I still think. Someone with a less implicit bias who can actually command the room and control the debate stage, and with a willingness to ask and follow-up on tough questions.
This was the result of all of the 'stop Bernie at any cost' calls to action the last week. After ignoring him didn't work, the establishment brought the shotties and the took their shot before SC and more importantly ST. It still wont be enough stop Bernie and this was the best they could ever do, the nihilistic wet noodles.
Yeah I honestly feel like their attempt was ineffective. I don't feel uncomfortable about Bernie's chances on super Tuesday.
But I do have a real concern that Bloomberg's propaganda machine is working.
I wanted to revisit this point because I was listening to an analyst on why that was even being brought up and after double checking what they said it turns out that some black voters in South Carolina will care about Israeli politics since one of their own, Jesse Jackson, made it part of his presidential campaign platform.
He got in because of 9/11 and spending more than the Democrats.
He got in again after fucking his opponent in the primary via some signature dispute I'm not entirely familiar with. He also outspent the Democrat again.
He got in a third time by bending the rules and hand picking his opponent because he's fucking Bloomberg and owned half of New York at the time. He ended up spending around $200 per vote he got and this was just a mayor race.
His whole MO is to buy support via "donations" (see: Gillum and Abrams, or probably half the people in that debate room), put indirect pressure on organisations and individuals to gain positive coverage and support (DC reporters want to work for Bloomberg's media empire) and outspend everyone. He's making the case that billionaires probably do deserve the guillotine.
However much he paid the network for his ads to be aired every ad break.
It won't be an intentional rigging but it'd be the sort of though bubble influence that happens in these sort of environments where there's an implicit rule to not talk about certain things. You know, don't talk about stopping climate change while working in a coal miner's office type thing.
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Careful, some towns have private fire departments. You might awaken the libertarians.
Sanders argument should be that socialism is when government steps in when private industry is insufficient. We've done it constantly throughout US history.
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
NASA
DARPA
The Military
The problem is when you get bogged down into it being an argument of entire economic systems. The US economic system has always been a lever that goes between capitalism and socialism. It only matters about where you pull the lever to.
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Food Stamps
NASA
DARPA
The Military
The problem is when you get bogged down into it being an argument of entire economic systems. The US economic system has always been a lever that goes between capitalism and socialism. It only matters about where you pull the lever to.
Money, money, and more money.
Yes he's generally speaking a socially awkward upper crust "I'm better than you" billionaire who truly believes he's the disciplinarian parent who needs to spank the collective behind of the public when they get out of line and disrupt his idea of order.
But he accomplishes this by being rich to the tune of over $60 Billion. This buys him enough influence to bombard the airwaves and print media with ads as well as paying off potential detractors. He pays off organizations conducting studies of his legacy as mayor of the city to remove negative findings such as his racist policy on Muslim surveillance. He pays off charities and foundations that work with the underprivileged or at least gives them the hope that he would in order to secure their support for political campaigns despite the fact he actively despises the subjects of those causes, particularly the homeless. It's all part of a disinformation campaign that saw him exceed his two term limit as mayor of NYC because he essentially bought a third term and claimed it was all because people really liked him. For all the worry people have of Trump trying to be president for life, Bloomberg actually tried to make that happen for himself as mayor, and he would have likely managed to do it if he wasn't so interested in going after the Presidency, especially now in a post-2016 world.
My hope is that the larger Dem base, as Warren said last night, is aware enough that this political chameleon who will claim to be a part of whatever party most suits his political ambitions at any given time isn't to be trusted. It's hard unfortunately to truly measure the influence his billions can buy though.
That's... not what socialism is? You even contradict yourself in this example (i.e. you say capitalism and socialism are two extremes, i.e. socialism isn't some point in the middle of the spectrum).
For a long time, I thought "democratic socialism" was some in-between on the spectrum (i.e. I thought it was social democracy), but... like a 5 second reading of their goals shows it isn't. "They" think all capitalism is evil and want to end it.
This right here is a great point that you have brought up, as putting an emphasis on how many people's lives will be ruined not only by what the virus does to them, but also the insane medical debts that will be racked-up. M4A is the reason why the citizens in most countries affected aren't being charged a dime for their care.
Seeing as how Sanders support continues to grow, I don't see his messages being a problem at all. Stump speech has actually been working in his favor. It's just a matter of continuously exposing his message to everyone including nonvoters.
while this is expedient, i dont know if it even honestly affects the man's views. when i say sanders is hiding his power level, i dont mean he's going to pursue a different agenda when in office. but i dont see any evidence combing through his history that he thinks the profit motive is good at all really
I wonder if Bernie will bring up current NYC mayor De Blasio's endorsement of him. I think it would make sense as a counter against Bloomberg talking about how great he was for NYC. If Bloomberg managed the city so well why would his successor endorse his opponent?
I thought Bernie Sanders had a great debate last night, weathering attacks and continuing to hammer his message home. The Cuba thing was a nothingburger and the debate whizzed right past it.. I thought Warren had some good moments, though she overreached trying to get Bloomberg on the "kill it" thing (she was in the right but she didn't quite get there).
Bloomberg did a bit better, but he's still terrible and he's going nowhere fast.
Pete Buttigieg embarrassed himself. So did Biden, rambling on and complaining. Klobuchar was barely a factor. Steyer did ok. I wanted to hear more about reparations, the awful moderation did this debate no favors.
The non-Sanders candidates did not do enough to alter the course of the race. I think it's going to be apparent after Super Tuesday that Bernie is the nominee. Biden will win South Carolina, keeping him in the race, the moderates will split the vote for a bit longer, I think we'll lose Steyer and Warren after Super Tuesday, but we'll see.
You know, in 2016, and 2019 as he campaigned, I was frustrated with, and critical of, how Bernie always reverts back to his stump speech. And I was totally wrong about that! In this primary, that's been his greatest asset. He has a clear vision for this country, and he is straightforward about how he wants to achieve that vision, without getting bogged down in the details. It's made him very durable in the debates, even dogpiled on as he was last night, because you don't get him on his back foot long, so to speak. Bernie also doesn't need to go negative. He's just stayed in his lane and let the other candidates fight for the scraps.
Bloomberg did a bit better, but he's still terrible and he's going nowhere fast.
Pete Buttigieg embarrassed himself. So did Biden, rambling on and complaining. Klobuchar was barely a factor. Steyer did ok. I wanted to hear more about reparations, the awful moderation did this debate no favors.
The non-Sanders candidates did not do enough to alter the course of the race. I think it's going to be apparent after Super Tuesday that Bernie is the nominee. Biden will win South Carolina, keeping him in the race, the moderates will split the vote for a bit longer, I think we'll lose Steyer and Warren after Super Tuesday, but we'll see.
You know, in 2016, and 2019 as he campaigned, I was frustrated with, and critical of, how Bernie always reverts back to his stump speech. And I was totally wrong about that! In this primary, that's been his greatest asset. He has a clear vision for this country, and he is straightforward about how he wants to achieve that vision, without getting bogged down in the details. It's made him very durable in the debates, even dogpiled on as he was last night, because you don't get him on his back foot long, so to speak. Bernie also doesn't need to go negative. He's just stayed in his lane and let the other candidates fight for the scraps.
Should have called them out on it.
Yep. He practically said he bought 21 of the midterm election seats.
Sanders basically did call the audience out when they booed him for calling improved education a good thing.
He basically did
"Really!!!!?"
After the debate he pointed out the ticket prices and being packed with vips
I was at the Bernie rally today in Charleston and it was packed and people were energized and ready to canvas all week before the primary. He's closing in.
