It's an echo chamber because there's no time given to transphobic hate around here? Get lost with this garbage.
Ok transphobeThat's about the level of response I'd expect from you at this point, yeah.
...yes. Yes that's very clearly exactly what I meant.
Okay, I think I've had enough of this thread.
Sadly this is how debate ends so often in here. Why would anyone bother further stating their opinions when this is what they'll get? I love Era, and (luckily) my politics align with the majority, but wow is this place an echo chamber at times. Nothing the poster said merited such an aggressive response, and no, disagreeing with them is not a valid reason. The potential for discussion on differing viewpoints (not necessarily on trans issues, but on the episode) was brought right down with this post.
Lol "debate". It was a drive by post gtfo. Hours have passed since the post and the poster never responded to any of the posts quoting them. If that is your idea of "debate" sorry this community can do without drive by transphobia.Sadly this is how debate ends so often in here. Why would anyone bother further stating their opinions when this is what they'll get? I love Era, and (luckily) my politics align with the majority, but wow is this place an echo chamber at times. Nothing the poster said merited such an aggressive response, and no, disagreeing with them is not a valid reason. The potential for discussion on differing viewpoints (not necessarily on trans issues, but on the episode) was brought right down with this post.
I hear you, I wasn't going to vote for Trump but after this thread I've come to realize how intolerant the Left really is. Trump has my vote now!"Guys the real problem is you being mean to the transphobic people! Purity test cancel culture left eating itself etc etc"
...yes. Yes that's very clearly exactly what I meant.
Okay, I think I've had enough of this thread.
Especially considering their own history on the issue. Of course they wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt in regards to jokes or setups that could go either way.I can see the joke they were going for, the character was mocked for being trans for the WRONG REASONS (only transitioned to get revenge on their ex, being very toxic and hated women that much they became one to beat other women), but in the case of making jokes that involve trans people it's a very fine line that's often best left ignored, even if the jokes are made by allies in good faith (Lindsay Ellis), the community will rarely ever agree on if the joke was good and if it causes offence or not, it's basically a minefield where you can easily sound wrong and offensive.
I can see the joke they were going for, the character was mocked for being trans for the WRONG REASONS (only transitioned to get revenge on their ex, being very toxic and hated women that much they became one to beat other women), but in the case of making jokes that involve trans people it's a very fine line that's often best left ignored, even if the jokes are made by allies in good faith (Lindsay Ellis), the community will rarely ever agree on if the joke was good and if it causes offence or not, it's basically a minefield where you can easily sound wrong and offensive.
Yes and yes.Especially considering their own history on the issue. Of course they wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt in regards to jokes or setups that could go either way.
If it wasn't so facepalm-worthy, it would be utterly hilarious how many people think that these super-privileged white dudes have ever had their heart in the right place for even 10 minutes. Show's been shitty and nihilistic and mean-spirited since its inception. 23 years later, that hasn't changed.I am disappointed about this episode. I feel like South Park has done a great deal lately about addressing social issues and politics especially in regards to President Trump.
South Park will often make a statement by creating an outrageous scenario, in a way that highlights the stupidity of anyone who could believe such a scenario were plausible. I think that is the intent of this episode, and I think it is lost on people who are not familiar with the show.
Which episode was that?
South Park will often make a statement by creating an outrageous scenario, in a way that highlights the stupidity of anyone who could believe such a scenario were plausible. I think that is the intent of this episode, and I think it is lost on people who are not familiar with the show.
South Park will often make a statement by creating an outrageous scenario, in a way that highlights the stupidity of anyone who could believe such a scenario were plausible. I think that is the intent of this episode, and I think it is lost on people who are not familiar with the show.
However, most hating on South Park over this episode most likely refuse to acknowledge the episode where they called themselves out and flat out said "We we're wrong, the planet is on fire!" And having the sub plot be about boomer denial of climate change.
Cool. What does that have with them being transphobic?However, most hating on South Park over this episode most likely refuse to acknowledge the episode where they called themselves out and flat out said "We we're wrong, the planet is on fire!" And having the sub plot be about boomer denial of climate change.
What does the person I'm quoting and the person they quoted have to do with being transphobic? I've gave my views up above, now I'm just highlighting an error on those who claim South Park is a climate change denying show.
I'll credit them with their mea culpa on ManBearPig. But it was 12 years after the fact.However, most hating on South Park over this episode most likely refuse to acknowledge the episode where they called themselves out and flat out said "We we're wrong, the planet is on fire!" And having the sub plot be about boomer denial of climate change.
Here's the thing.South Park will often make a statement by creating an outrageous scenario, in a way that highlights the stupidity of anyone who could believe such a scenario were plausible. I think that is the intent of this episode, and I think it is lost on people who are not familiar with the show.
Yup, exactly what I came in here to say. Thought they were getting better after The Cissy, but this episode was just gross to watch, which sucks as I genuinely enjoyed the boardgame half.Everyone here is aware that this character is basically what transphobes pretend they're against when they're challenged directly right? There's a classic refrain of "I'm not actually against trans people I just have ***legitimate concerns*** about evil men pretending to be women in order to (beat them at sports/sexually abuse women/sexually abuse children) so therefore we need to remove rights from trans people because it's our only choice."
There's nothing subversive or smart or nuanced about it, it's just shit. and it's legitimizing transphobe talking points.
You're right but for none of the reasons you want to beIt is the best freaking show to keep up with the state of America
shitting on trans people for the nth time is okay because this show has some good episodesSome people on this forum... I can't believe what I am reading. South Park has so many utterly amazing episodes, there have been so many highs that any low seasons/episodes are quickly forgiven. It is the best freaking show to keep up with the state of America and what the future will be like in a few months. They are almost always spot on.
They are great in some social aspects but considerably weak in others. This trans episode just goes to show that. They are pretty blatant to how much of a fucker President Trump is. But when it comes to tran's issue they are going to play it middle-ground. Wonder why?Some people on this forum... I can't believe what I am reading. South Park has so many utterly amazing episodes, there have been so many highs that any low seasons/episodes are quickly forgiven. It is the best freaking show to keep up with the state of America and what the future will be like in a few months. They are almost always spot on.
And that's Al's prerogative. What, you think gay people are a monolith who aren't allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs, and must conform to the same opinions as one another? The episode fucking spelled it out before that moment by showing an outrageous abusive pedophile under the guise of a straight arrow type scout leader, shattering the mental mold and attitudes of the townspeople had on gay people in positions of power. Beyond that message, Al is free to think however he wants regardless of how faulty or toxic you or I think that opinion may be.You mean the one where, at the end, Big Al literally talks about how a private organization like the scouts shouldn't be forced into admitting gay people? That one?
Oh bravo, you got me. You've exposed me as the socially regressive leper I am, rotting away before your very eyes.Also, gotta love how "purity test" has become the new dog whistle after "SJW" became a joke.Ya'll ain't slick.
Do tell how it didn't.
Lindsey Wagner tried making fun of Ricky Gervias, a noted transphobe, by repeating transphobic jokes. She meant it in a way that would try and make people see how crazy and hurtful the things he was saying really were, but all she really ended up doing is spreading hate speech. She got called out for it, rightfully so.
If it's an issue, shouldn't it be discussed?Of course it's terrible for people to pretend to transition for personal gain... but why discuss this issue at all?
And that's Al's prerogative. What, you think gay people are a monolith who aren't allowed to have their own opinions and beliefs, and must conform to the same opinions as one another? The episode fucking spelled it out before that moment by showing an outrageous abusive pedophile under the guise of a straight arrow type scout leader, shattering the mental mold and attitudes of the townspeople had on gay people in positions of power. Beyond that message, Al is free to think however he wants regardless of how faulty or toxic you or I think that opinion may be.
It's disappointing to see another thread here about trans issues full of people cisplaining to trans members what's actually transphobic. I can easily see why trans people might want to avoid threads like this.
It's not an issue though. Please point to me of a similar situation that happened in the real world?If it's an issue, shouldn't it be discussed?
It's funny because this thread is a perfect example of why this episode existed in the first place. Anyone who thinks you're a transphobe for thinking this is a difficult topic to discuss and that there's nuance to it, is exactly why this episode exists.
If it's an issue, shouldn't it be discussed?
It's funny because this thread is a perfect example of why this episode existed in the first place. Anyone who thinks you're a transphobe for thinking this is a difficult topic to discuss and that there's nuance to it, is exactly why this episode exists.
It shouldn't because this issue doesn't exist. It's literally a argument created by transphobes to invalidate the identity of trans people.
However, most hating on South Park over this episode most likely refuse to acknowledge the episode where they called themselves out and flat out said "We we're wrong, the planet is on fire!" And having the sub plot be about boomer denial of climate change.