Centrist shill Speaker, trying to enfranchise ~700K citizens and reduce the rural, white slant in the Senate.
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Speaker Pelosi supports DC statehood bill as counter to GOP's "mass disenfranchisement agenda."
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Centrist shill Speaker, trying to enfranchise ~700K citizens and reduce the rural, white slant in the Senate.
Pretty sure they can. I'm not quite sure why they chose DC first, but I'm sure there's a strategic reason. How did Puerto Rico's last statehood referendum go?
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DC would actually be the harder of the two because of the constitutional ambiguity and definition of the term "federal district." PR would be a clear-cut case of adding a territory/commonwealth as we've done about 50 times in the past.
lol what a center-right shill /s
(cant wait for two years of "House passes progressive legislation, goes nowhere in the senate")
(cant wait for two years of "House passes progressive legislation, goes nowhere in the senate")
Gotcha, that makes sense. Getting the tougher one out of the way first, then.
They can. DC's the harder sell of the two. (But really we should be adding 6-7 in total.)
The "no statehood" people sat out when it was done under Obama, which is a pretty dumb tactical move given what happened next w/ Trump & the Hurricane- I don't think they can turn it down now.
And then 95% of that stuff they passed in the House magically disappears once Democrats take the Senate/WH
They voted for statehood. Congress just needs to pick it up and run with it
Wasn't there a poll a few years ago where 40% of Americans didn't know that Puerto Ricans are US citizens? I wouldn't be surprised if they thought it'd be harder to argue against DC statehood vs Puerto Rico.
The people in Congress that have to approve statehood see citizens in DC as Americans. In no way is PR statehood easier.
Hell yeah, glad we're all on the same page.
That sounds about right. I imagine more people know now thanks to all of the Hurricane Maria coverage.
Yes, you need 50+1 in both the House/Senate, fillibuster doesn't apply.
All of the territories who fit the requirements and have the desire to be states should be considered by this Congress. I don't care how it affects the composition of the house or senate, it's the right thing to do.
If wyoming can be a state with two senators,then DC should also be a state with two senators. But of course that would give black people more power in congress. We can't have that now can we?
Well partisan Republican hacks care. They already only skirt by winning national congressional elections via gerrymandering. Now they will have to gerrymander districts full of democrats...makes it very difficult!
You could always do my idea and make evreysingle native american lands that exist within california their own state if the want to be ones
Add like 90 states and california is blue enouph that i think they would agree to. This plan , and it doesnt really split the state up"
They won't go for it for the same reason Scotland's basically stuck in the UK- Rural areas aren't very economically productive and have massive wealth transfers via taxation/redistribution at both the state and federal level.
Agreed. It's long overdue. No U.S. citizen should be denied the rights or representation of ones born elsewhere. That's basically what our nation was founded on: lack of representation in government.
And there shouldn't even be such a thing as a "non-citizen national", which is what people in U.S. Samoa are.
Really, this can't be fillibustered? Interesting. Actually kind of shocked they didn't try to give statehood to DC and PR back in 2009/10, although I realize that the ACA took up 99% of their time and political capital.
DC absolutely should get statehood. That would be amazing both for residents of DC and the nation as a whole.
I'm pretty sure Puerto Ricans don't want statehood.
Only less then a quarter wants to. And my mom being a Puerto Rican herself and VERY liberal, doesn't want it either.
Only less then a quarter wants to. And my mom being a Puerto Rican herself and VERY liberal, doesn't want it either.
That would be sad.
Also:
Trump: "Democrats are trying to ruin our flag!"
If you have 50+1 and any part of it is fillibusterable you can just change the rules. Parts of it might technicaly apply but it's just a basic resolution, not a law, so you won't get pushback on removing it (similar to how it's dead for appointments now.)
Nope. It ignores the executive.
Pretty much any territory that pays at least a cent in federal taxes.
yep, funny how fast the founding fathers forgot about that "no taxation with representation
thing"
It's been pretty close until recently. I think the "less than a quarter" you're referring to was actually the turnout for the 2017 referendum. 23% of eligible voters turned out, compared to the 78% of the 2012 referendum, due to some political leaders calling for a boycott of the vote (lol) after they lost the 2012 vote.
1993 status referendum: commonwealth won 48/46
1998 status referendum: "none of these options" won
2012 status referendum: statehood won 61/33
2017 status referendum: statehood won 97/3*
Really. What's her reasoning? Seems like nothing but upside vs current status quo?
Honestly, there's a lot of fear mongering going on about statehood. I went to school there as a kid and I remember teachers telling us that if PR became a state, it would be stripped of its language and culture. The "less than a quarter" was actually voter turnout in the latest referendum (23%), though. It won by two thirds in 2012 with 78% turnout and the opposition called for a boycott after their defeat, leading to statehood winning again by a landslide in 2017.
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Hopefully people will now understand why certain posters here were calling for Nancy not to be elected speaker again. They don't actually want a progressive that good at her job.
And I'm sure the fact that she's a woman had absolutely nothing to do with it. /S
Culture and language has little to do with it.
PR has it's own problem with it's Government.
All U.S territories should be states, I dont get how Democrats never thought of doing this long ago.
Besides the fact that it's the right thing to do, it would neuter the Republican party in its current form, putting majority power in Democrats hands long enough to push meaningful legislation and reform.
Unfortunately, this also creates an issue as it likely makes it more difficult to abolish the Senate, it's only a temporary solution to counter the right-leaning/rural skew of the Senate.
Certain posters? Its likely majority of the posters who hate on Pelosi just fall for disinformation campaigns.
If you guys are going to insinuate all the time, you should just be more direct, kind of annoying.
Besides the fact that it's the right thing to do, it would neuter the Republican party in its current form, putting majority power in Democrats hands long enough to push meaningful legislation and reform.
Unfortunately, this also creates an issue as it likely makes it more difficult to abolish the Senate, it's only a temporary solution to counter the right-leaning/rural skew of the Senate.
Certain posters? Its likely majority of the posters who hate on Pelosi just fall for disinformation campaigns.
If you guys are going to insinuate all the time, you should just be more direct, kind of annoying.