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Lion

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In what world is Brie Larsen, an Oscar winner and star of the MCU, a lower profile than Henry Cavill?
Hes just been in more big films and had higher profile roles. I mean you can't get much more high profile than Superman. He has also just been around longer. Basically he will have much more name recognition.
I also had no idea she had an Oscar - even though I looked her up a few weeks ago when the Nintendo stuff happened! It was from quite a dark film that not many people have watched.
 

rras1994

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It seems hard to believe that someone who's interested in pop culture doesn't know who Brie Larsen is, especially considering the artificial outrage before the release of Captain Marvel.
Yep, it's really not hard to come across people ranting about her and her 'SJW-ness' in pop culture circles, it's actually hard to avoid. Heck, the amount of Star Wars fans that rant about her is unbelievable and she's not even in that franchise.
 

Lion

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It seems hard to believe that someone who's interested in pop culture doesn't know who Brie Larsen is, especially considering the artificial outrage before the release of Captain Marvel.
Just to be clear - I am not one of the people who posted snarky comments about her.

However as I said, I had to look her up at the time. I have asked a few friends and family and they are in a similar boat to me. Believe it or not there are lots of people who play video games without being as into pop culture, especially MCU. To me she is someone who had a bit of cameo role in the avengers (never watched captain marvel)- and hence I had forgotten who she is.
Whereas I have seen cavill in lots of things; tudors, superman, mission impossible, UNCLE, witcher etc
 

rras1994

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Hes just been in more big films and had higher profile roles. I mean you can't get much more high profile
Captain Marvel made over a billion dollars in the box office. Just because you don't know who she is does not mean the general public wouldn't, she plays a major character in the biggest franchise going right now. And nerd culture have got their knickers in a twist so much over her that it's really really doubtful that Era of all places doesn't know about her.
 

MelliiDragon

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Just to be clear - I am not one of the people who posted snarky comments about her.

However as I said, I had to look her up at the time. I have asked a few friends and family and they are in a similar boat to me. Believe it or not there are lots of people who play video games without being as into pop culture, especially MCU. To me she is someone who had a bit of cameo role in the avengers (never watched captain marvel).

The Question is does it even matter who more people know? You will most likely find enough People who don't know both of them.

It doesn't realy change the situation that the difference of the reaction most likely comes from something else. And it is realy not great to start a discussion in this Thread who is more famous because of that.
 

Seductivpancakes

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Hes just been in more big films and had higher profile roles. I mean you can't get much more high profile than Superman. He has also just been around longer. Basically he will have much more name recognition.
I also had no idea she had an Oscar - even though I looked her up a few weeks ago when the Nintendo stuff happened! It was from quite a dark film that not many people have watched.
A forum with a bunch of nerds who don't know an actress of a very high profile, billion dollar earning, super hero Marvel film, who was also constantly harassed by nerds for being a woman and asking for more diversity in Hollywood?

Yea not buying it.
 

Elfgore

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Just want to say, I really appreciate this thread and I like the role it's taken on as an archive of sorts for the issues present in this site. I think it providing context for these issues makes it easier to emphasize and understand for those like me who are CIS straight, white dudes. I hope the mods keep this one stickied for a long time.

It's a pity that the poll is no longer visible, but in the thread below, most people believe that it's possible to buy and support games/devs while being critical of negative aspects of the game/company. Of course, this is mostly to enjoy something they're looking forward to guilt-free while not directly endorsing any bigoted views and admittedly it's something I struggle with myself. It's much easier to ignore games that you never really had an interest in in the first place, such as THQ Nordic games but in the case of Cyberpunk/HP RPG people would prefer to turn a blind eye. There's definitely a subsection of users who are clearly just trying to hurt LGBT members by just ignoring any negative connotations surrounding these games and going "Day 1!!!" though.

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Is it possible to buy and enjoy videos games while still being critical of the developers/publishers/IP holder?

So I've been seeing a lot of posts and threads lately discussing the abhorrent behaviour of certain video game companies, from abuse, to misconduct, to harassment, to crunch, to exploitative and predatory practices, to bigoted views held by people working on or associated with certain projects...
That thread was one of the more depressing reads on this site. Just say you want your cake and eat it too, it's better than performing mental gymnastics how it's OK to buy what you want because you know X is bad in my mind.
 

Udreif

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A forum with a bunch of nerds who don't know an actress of a very high profile, billion dollar earning, super hero Marvel film, who was also constantly harassed by nerds for being a woman and asking for more diversity in Hollywood?

Yea not buying it.
The whole Brie Larson thing is just something I can't quite understand. It had me second-guessing at times whether I should dislike her just because everyone else did, but I just don't get it and never saw a proper reason
 

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OP posts a thing that features women being objectified yet again.
Certain posters: "Well guess I gotta buy it!"

Shit's gross.
 

Deleted member 56306

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Someone literally made a thread in ETC as a reaction to the waifu one... asking if people would rather children see Porn or Murder...

CHILDREN
 
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Jonathan Lanza

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Someone literally made a thread in ETC as a reaction to the waifu one... asking if people would rather children see Porn or Murder...

CHILDREN
Ya know I saw that thread and I didn't click it because in my head I thought
"This violence-sex dichotomy is often in response to something anime related" and it seems I wasn't too far off.
 

Deleted member 19868

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That waifu thread is shit. Buncha weebs pretending not to know that people are objecting to the combination of violence and sexuality with objectified young girls, and JAQing off with "do you hate pornography? are you a prude?" like they're clever, and not some asshole reusing the same old tired internet argument playbook that's decades old by now.

Why do I even keep an account here.
 

Kyuuji

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The whole Brie Larson thing is just something I can't quite understand. It had me second-guessing at times whether I should dislike her just because everyone else did, but I just don't get it and never saw a proper reason
She's a strong and confident woman not giving a damn about them as she enjoys 'their' hobby. That's about as much reason as I've found at least.
 

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This is the kind of myopic, idealistic position that is simply not true. Please believe trans people when they say there is transphobia. The OP mentions threads where transphobia happens, or where there otherwise is a complete disregard for transphobic actions by other people.

This.

The Harry Potter game thread made me physically sick. So many comments in there of people saying "I know JK is a bigot, but I'm still going to buy this game because it's my dream game".

However, as I said in that very thread, if JK was racist there would be a mass Harry Potter boycott and this game would get cancelled, but because she's transphopbic people just shrug and move on. It's sick and we need to do more, especially on a forum that I always thought was progressive.
 
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so After doing some thinking I feel that era needs a safe space for minorities to air out their grievances with how people behave on this forum and the vile hateful stuff I always see. I thought by making this thread I was helping everyone but now I'm not so sure and after removing an entire section of the op Its made me realize that there is no clear way to solve this problem. Also since the thread was unpinned I just am not exactly sure how to go about all this. Era still has a problem regardless of the outcome of this thread and it's going to take a long while before it's even fixed. I'll still keep making threads highlighting the problems we face in gaming since that's the only way I can really advocate and help people come to terms with the issues that are constantly happening here and in the industry as a whole. If I have failed y'all in any way I apologize to y'all and just wanted things to be better for everyone.

edit: thread repinned apparently was a bug in the system. report thread if it gets unpinned again.
 

Razmos

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I think this thread is a fantastic archive of the issues we have as a forum and what we need to work on, its definitely needed and has personally made me feel better knowing we arent alone in noticing these problems because otherwise we'd be drowned out by ignorance and dismissive attitudes
 
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If I have failed y'all in any way I apologize to y'all and just wanted things to be better for everyone.

I always rack my brain in these threads because I never know what to say and sometimes have to hold back when I see criticism of a favorite game/movie/performer/whatever. You aren't "failing" at anything because any topic in regards to societal injustice (blatant or ignorance) only ever has a chance to improve by having these types of conversations. Even for someone like me, I wasn't going to actively jump in because a hasty "I agree that this is an issue" wouldn't do much to contribute in the middle of some eloquent posters. But coming from the generation where many trigger words were common vernacular in school/groups in the late 90s and early 2000s to see where most conversation absolutely avoids these phrases and there is an actual national conversation on not just LGBTQ+ rights but recognition is amazing. And its because people like yourself start these conversations. Don't be discouraged, I'll keep pushing "love each other", open dialogue will win the day!
 

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You're alright Banshee mcspook ! You haven't failed any of us, and we'll keep this thread alive for as long as it takes for people to understand that there are legit issues with this industry.
 

Deleted member 25606

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Banshee mcspook, I was at the "too tired and distraught to fight in this particular space, will avoid these topics and let others fight the good fight" before you came along and started banging the pro-active drums. Thanks to you doing that I feel that even with all the issues there are at least a few spaces for productive discussion, and you have helped reinvigorate me and keep me on the front lines of this fight of ours instead of leaving the burden on the shoulders of others which I was prepared to do.
 

Cenauru

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Oct 25, 2017
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Reading all these messages have kind of shocked me I'm glad folks are latching on to what I started. I just felt so defeated yesterday that I really didn't feel like posting at all. I'm going to keep trying to make threads when something comes up and currently
this thread is my current objective to make another serious issue known.

I'll also echo everyone else's statements here. I don't have much I can contribute myself, but I appreciate your threads.
 

Soph

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Oct 25, 2017
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Great thread Banshee mcspook, keep up the good work! I might not post a lot, but I do read everything.
 

Razmos

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Deadly Premonition 2 has already been patched to fix the deadnaming issues. A heartfelt and genuine apology followed by swift and decisive action. And this is from a low budget developer.

Other companies have no excuse.
 

DOA

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Oct 26, 2017
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Deadly Premonition 2 has already been patched to fix the deadnaming issues. A heartfelt and genuine apology followed by swift and decisive action. And this is from a low budget developer.

Other companies have no excuse.
already patched? amazing :)
this should be used as a touchstone to how to response to issues like that

EDIT:
from this article I understand that the patch doesn't fully address the issue, although according to the tweet, it's just the first patch:
https://www.polygon.com/2020/7/21/21332658/deadly-premonition-2s-transphobic-content-patch-july
 
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xendless

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Deadly Premonition 2 has already been patched to fix the deadnaming issues. A heartfelt and genuine apology followed by swift and decisive action. And this is from a low budget developer.

Other companies have no excuse.

already patched? amazing :)
this should be used as a touchstone to how to response to issues like that

EDIT:
from this article I understand that the patch doesn't fully address the issue, although according to the tweet, it's just the first patch:
https://www.polygon.com/2020/7/21/21332658/deadly-premonition-2s-transphobic-content-patch-july

Not excusable from Swery here
 

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Yup. As I said in an earlier post Laura did a pretty good breakdown on her feelings on the podquisition and put into words why I and others still have major issues here.
 

Udreif

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May 29, 2020
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Well, there goes that I guess. Could have set a precedent for other developers to follow in regards to making mistakes but here we are.
 

Rotobit

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For the sake of transparency, Swery followed that up with a tweet apologising for the use of the word "propaganda". He does have a very loose grasp of the particulars of the English language and probably wasn't aware of how strong it is.



That said, the core message is still basically the same and it sucks. If the game was trying to be a realistic depiction of 2005 then sure I could understand trying to recreate how much more bigoted/uneducated people were back then, but this is a game where the hotel manager pretends to be 3 different people and the FBI detective rolls around town on a skateboard. It ain't the place for that.

I think he has the empathy, more so than most Japanese devs which is a bit depressing given all this, but he needs to not address it over Twitter and talk to trans folks directly.
 

Apollo

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For the sake of transparency, Swery followed that up with a tweet apologising for the use of the word "propaganda". He does have a very loose grasp of the particulars of the English language and probably wasn't aware of how strong it is.



That said, the core message is still basically the same and it sucks. If the game was trying to be a realistic depiction of 2005 then sure I could understand trying to recreate how much more bigoted/uneducated people were back then, but this is a game where the hotel manager pretends to be 3 different people and the FBI detective rolls around town on a skateboard. It ain't the place for that.


Yeah, unfortunately the core message is still basically identical- and thus equally shitty. Being opposed to transphobia should never be treated as just an "opinion".
 

Kyuuji

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It's still an awful take. Don't use your game to weild transphobia or touch on trans issues if you can't do it with nuance and care.
 

deepFlaw

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I'll say that I would be very hesitant to examine any particulars of his wording. He does not speak fluent English and it should be obvious that + assistance from machine translation can easily bring in words with unintended connotations. I can also have some amount of understanding for him definitely being hit by "anti-censorship" GG-types over this, and now having to try to understand what's actual criticism and what's fake in another language and context (EDIT: context being gamergate and not about the actual topics involved, to be clear).

That being said... the overall message is still obviously disappointing to say the least, and it hurts to see things go this way. It sure is something to immediately burn what good will you'd earned from saying you were going to fix things. What got changed seems weirdly implemented from the little I saw, so I don't know how much ability they had for getting line changes/re-recording done and if that affected what was done, but if that was an expected limiting factor he could have said as much previously and not acted like it's fine and the transphobia that remains is intended now. Especially when there was the understanding that they'd be getting some help with doing the fixes correctly... and, along those lines, someone with stronger English who is more directly involved with the line by line English writing should probably be handling talking about the changes being made.
 
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Udreif

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If someone playing your game can't infer that the way this trans character is being treated is wrong, then you're putting out a piece of work that normalizes transphobia. It's as plain as that. If someone plays your game and they feel like the main character did nothing wrong in deadnaming this character you're normalizing transphobia.

If your character is generally seen as a good guy and a friend to this other character, the way they treat the trans character is implied to be the way an ally would/should treat this character. That's just how media works.

I know some people may disagree with this, but this is how media shapes people's views of the world, and failing to recognize this can have some very harmful effects on people.
 

Kyuuji

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I appreciate the language divide but get irritated by cis people in china shops repeatedly knocking over things when they try to pick up whatever they just broke. At some point just leave the shop if you can't stop breaking stuff, don't turn around and @ the people getting tired of it.
 

Razmos

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I appreciate the language divide but get irritated by cis people in china shops repeatedly knocking over things when they try to pick up whatever they just broke. At some point just leave the shop if you can't stop breaking stuff, don't turn around and @ the people getting annoyed by it.
Yeah, there was no need to reply to the criticism in such a way, language divide or not. I'm really sad about this
 
OP
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So I'd like to mention something recently about how gamers use marginalized language to claim opression and I'm just sitting here going "bruh". I don't understand why someone would do that when it's just a video game and just highlights the problems we have on era. This is in reference to a specific post and the user was banned but still.
 
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Bumping this thread too. Woof at that Cammy thread being full of sexist dudes horny for a video game characters ass. People deserve to rightfully call out something that's just very catering. Like don't bend your head over trying to justify something like an ass in a video game.

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Should/Will a Street Fighter 6 do away with Cammy's gratuitous ass shots?

Everyone who has played Street Fighter with Cammy since 2 knows what I'm talking about. Its quite possible some only remember who Cammy is because of vivid Victory poses where the eyes are meant to focus on her posterior. Is this just a tradition expected to be kept in each installment? Or are...
 

Seductivpancakes

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" Her ass is apart of her character "

Sounds like a shitty, objectified character designed specifically to bait horny, lonely nerds then.