I thought this was really interesting:
https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/calebhart42-twitch-ban-racist-chat/
CW: Hard-R N-word.
I think in this particular case, it's pretty clear he deserves a ban. The T.O.S forbids streamers from broadcasting themselves being racist. Caleb broadcast himself being racist. He did it unintentionally, and he didn't make the racist comment live, but there's no reading of the rules that gets him out of this imo.
What is interesting is how far this punishment should extend. He sent the racist message to another Twitch streamer. As far as we can tell, the other Twitch streamer, while an active participant in the conversation, didn't say anything racist. Should this guy get banned or suspended? What would have happened if this message was revealed on the other streamer's channel?
Clearly, Twitch cares about context when it comes to cases like this: they probably judge having a swastika on display in your stream's background a lot differently than looking at them in Wolfenstein or whatever. Does context matter here? Does/should Twitch care about it's content producers participating in conversations with racist language? What are your guys' thoughts?
If you're just going to post "FUCK THAT GUY, BAN HIS ASS," please don't. While I agree with you, I don't think comments like that add anything to discussions and I'm a little disappointed the mods aren't more strict about them.
EDIT 19-04-20:
I don't think it's particularly ambiguous, but to be clear: Caleb is a racist, and he got banned for being racist. There is no universe where you can portray the sequence of events in a way that doesn't involve him using a slur and broadcasting it. It's as just as a ban can get, there's very little room for discussion about the particulars of this specific case.
What is more interesting, and what most people in this thread have been engaging with, is how far accountability should go here. Should Carcinogen be given any sort of penalty? What would have happened if Caleb's Discord logs leaked while he wasn't on Twitch, or if they leaked while streaming, but the conversation was reversed and he wasn't the one who said the n-word?
Twitch should absolutely have a mandate to ban racists from using their services, and as a privately owned company they're well within their rights to define "racist" however they want, but cases aren't always going to be as clear-cut as Caleb's.
https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/calebhart42-twitch-ban-racist-chat/
CW: Hard-R N-word.
I think in this particular case, it's pretty clear he deserves a ban. The T.O.S forbids streamers from broadcasting themselves being racist. Caleb broadcast himself being racist. He did it unintentionally, and he didn't make the racist comment live, but there's no reading of the rules that gets him out of this imo.
What is interesting is how far this punishment should extend. He sent the racist message to another Twitch streamer. As far as we can tell, the other Twitch streamer, while an active participant in the conversation, didn't say anything racist. Should this guy get banned or suspended? What would have happened if this message was revealed on the other streamer's channel?
Clearly, Twitch cares about context when it comes to cases like this: they probably judge having a swastika on display in your stream's background a lot differently than looking at them in Wolfenstein or whatever. Does context matter here? Does/should Twitch care about it's content producers participating in conversations with racist language? What are your guys' thoughts?
If you're just going to post "FUCK THAT GUY, BAN HIS ASS," please don't. While I agree with you, I don't think comments like that add anything to discussions and I'm a little disappointed the mods aren't more strict about them.
EDIT 19-04-20:
I don't think it's particularly ambiguous, but to be clear: Caleb is a racist, and he got banned for being racist. There is no universe where you can portray the sequence of events in a way that doesn't involve him using a slur and broadcasting it. It's as just as a ban can get, there's very little room for discussion about the particulars of this specific case.
What is more interesting, and what most people in this thread have been engaging with, is how far accountability should go here. Should Carcinogen be given any sort of penalty? What would have happened if Caleb's Discord logs leaked while he wasn't on Twitch, or if they leaked while streaming, but the conversation was reversed and he wasn't the one who said the n-word?
Twitch should absolutely have a mandate to ban racists from using their services, and as a privately owned company they're well within their rights to define "racist" however they want, but cases aren't always going to be as clear-cut as Caleb's.
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