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Spelunky 2 Announced
- Thread starter Jawbreaker
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It might not change your mind, but this page goes into brilliant detail about how Spelunky's levels are generated - they're basically as close to being crafted as they can be without actually being so.
Spelunky is about mastering the mechanics and the enemies, rather than the levels. Again, might not change your mind, but it's worth a read even from a game-design viewpoint. It really is a masterpiece.
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It'll come to other platforms after some time.
I kind of feel that some have a notion that random/procedural-generated content have little room for mastery and progression. How could they, it's random, there's no sense of beating a specific challenge? But that's the beauty of Spelunky and the best roguelikes: you are absolutely mastering the game and progressing even when you start at square one. The mastery in a roguelike isn't one of mastering a specific level, it's mastering the game's systems and logic. It's the same principle behind those early runs through a Souls game, in that as you learn the mechanics and rhythm, what once seemed impossible can be sprinted past and defeated with trained ease
Roguelikes and Spelunky are the same way. Except the impossible isn't a tough boss or area; it's the situations the game places you in, and then asks you to roll with the punches. Can you improvise, adapt, react your way out of a bad situation, overcome through your knowledge and understanding of the systems and mechanics?
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Mastery of games should be about mechanics not level memorization at least for players not for professional speedruns that's different
Like how an enemy in an action game shouldn't automatically do the same routine of attacks always but should be random as to test the skill of the player
I own the first everywhere, played it hundreds of hours, never even beat Olmec once. It's still one of my all time favorite games.
I am super excited for Spelunky 2. I never would have realized a game like Spelunky would even get a sequel because the first game, in my eyes, was a 10/10; one of the best games in the past 5 years or so.
It's going to be interesting what Mossmouth can cook up with the sequel: secret bosses, secret rooms, secret indie star characters.
It's going to be interesting what Mossmouth can cook up with the sequel: secret bosses, secret rooms, secret indie star characters.
Love the first game so much I always play it on my vita. Was definitely not expecting to see this. So hyped for this game.
I really hope he doubles down on the physics - one of the main things I loved about the first game was how problem solving was resolved within the physicality of the world - it rewarded creativity and allowed for multiple approaches. Fingers crossed for some sort of fluid dynamics, or rope physics.
Cannot believe I have never played the original, just like stardew valley, which I have only every played for a month, this thread is going crazy over, another game, I cant wait to get my hands on, due to the excitement of ERA.
Wow.
I know Spelunky sold boat loads, but I legitimately never thought we'd ever see a sequel. I'm so excited!
I know Spelunky sold boat loads, but I legitimately never thought we'd ever see a sequel. I'm so excited!
Playing Spelunky is like riding a bicycle, once you know how to play it I don't think you can ever forget completely haha. I went more than 1 year without playing twice and then got to hell on my first try. I'm not even that great at the game, I never managed to do the no-gold challenge.
In Derek's case at least, he's been focusing on his family, so its not hard to see where the inspiration came from. :)
The sequel I never knew I wanted.
That's me as well. And I probably don't have it anymore. At all.
I tried it a while back after not having played for a year or so, it actually wasn't that bad. Don't think I made it to hell but the muscle memory was there pretty quickly.
Thank you, it was really that simple, I only wanted an information.
For who recommended me the PC level packs: I have the PS4 version.
Yeah, I don't like Souls, I only beat Bloodborne (and didn't go that bad, beated almost all bosses at first try) and then the DLC but stopped there, I'm not the type of person that finish more time a game, I prefer to search for new experience.
I feel that roguelike becomes too repetitive too quickly, most of them relay on great mechanics but it's all about them, so I got bored really quickly without a clear progression regarding the levels, boss, etc. like any other platform/action-adventure.
It's not a metter of difficulty, it's just how designed is the game and how they can't "catch" me. Even with TBoI, I finished it one time, played another hour but didn't see the reason to go on, It wasn't fun for me.
I sure didn't want to offend anyone who liked the first one, I only exposed my feelings on Spelunky when I got asked why I didn't liked.
I am beyond hyped for this. I'm really curious about gameplay but I have full faith that Derek Yu will make another fantastic game.
I really hope they don't touch or add to the physics in any way, and to be honest why would they? Things like "physics" when you go overboard with them just make the gameplay random, and that's one thing that Spelunky never had in its gameplay - randomness. When a landmine blows up a rock you can (or could) know 100% of the time which direction it's going to blast off in, and that goes for everything. The only reason Spelunky works is that while every level is random, the gameplay is completely predictable. You can't have randomness in both levels and gameplay and then still have a fun game.
A purely underwater zone, or some kind of space-like area with altered gravity could work, but I definitely wouldn't be introducing anything other than that.
I mean, they are very different in that Spelunky does level generation waaay better than Isaac, and there's also the fact that Spelunky is not stat-focused. What I like the most about Isaac is the hope of getting stronger or invincible (it's almost DBZ levels of absurdity), and not the exploration itself. It's like playing an RPG where you can break the game easily, but condensed to a 20-minutes long run.
If what you like about Spelunky is the exploration, I think you should play Catacomb Kids instead of Isaac, but if you like the secrets and unpredictability of Spelunky, then Isaac is probably just as good. What helped me get into Isaac was watching Northernlion as well as just playing it over and over.
It's only random if the same scenario plays out differently each time you execute it - if we're getting a new game, i'd hope for meaningful/risky changes. New tools, new environmental challenges, and new elements. Playing the first Spelunky, was about understanding the constraints of your environment and finding ways to overcome it.
I feel the exact same. How can it be better? I can't think of a single way. But I'm willing to find out!
Do you have any examples of what you'd want to see? It may be that we're talking about different kinds of physics-objects!
I will hereby retire Spelunky on my PC*. So many great times, so much enjoyment. Still missing low score and co-op achievements, though, I gave up on them a long time ago. Bring on Spelunky 2!!!
* Will probably continue playing on PS4.
* Will probably continue playing on PS4.
The co-op achievement is super-easy with two controllers, you just play with one and carry your partner through all the exits.
Well I guess I found the game that finally gets me to stop playing Spelunky!
I have no idea what to expect or what I even want from Spelunky 2 though. I'm sure how you go about making a better Spelunky.
I have a feeling this is going to be another situation where I end up buying 3 different versions of the game too.
I have no idea what to expect or what I even want from Spelunky 2 though. I'm sure how you go about making a better Spelunky.
I have a feeling this is going to be another situation where I end up buying 3 different versions of the game too.
I'd love to see some sort of rope swing mechanic - as for fluids, in the current Spelunky fluids disperse when you blow a hole, it would be nice to see the water collect somewhere logically. It would also be nice to see more environmental interactions (wet things freezing over if its cold enough, water turning into scalding steam etc).
Ah, that water thing sounds fine actually, wouldn't have any issues with that and I can see how that would lead to some interesting scenarios! Especially if there was stuff that could be damaged/lost by water running away or coming into contact with it.
Not sure about rope swinging though, feels like for that to have any benefit you'd need to have levels that randomly generate to require swinging on ropes, and then if the player has no ropes when they get there they'd find themselves in impossible situations. The alternative is to have rope swinging as a mechanic without any areas that truly require it, but then what's the benefit you're gaining?
Or, just ensure that the ropes are part of the existing environment - they don't have to be a player resource. Anyway, these are just ideas - I'll trust Derek to do the right thing :)
I just have no idea what Spelunky 2 can offer. I'll always play the first one. Goddamned masterpiece.
Will buy on vita (please) ps4 and pc
it's the single greatest 2d platformer in years no exaggeration
100% correct. It's literally perfect! Which is why this announcement is so compelling. I trust Derek Yu to only come back to this if he has something new to give.
You're surprised people are excited about a sequel to one of the most popular modern indie games? :P
Honest to goodness, try the first one, I can't stress this enough. Pure bliss.
Spelunky might be my favourite game but I think there are things that could be improved, like shopkeeper behaviour being a bit smarter against threats you had no contact with like venomous snakes or exploding frogs.
Positioning an upwards jump between two blocks was always slightly more fiddly than it needs to be too, although I never use walk mode, so that's partly my fault. Maybe smaller collision box or have jumping into the corner of a block realigning you slightly.
Positioning an upwards jump between two blocks was always slightly more fiddly than it needs to be too, although I never use walk mode, so that's partly my fault. Maybe smaller collision box or have jumping into the corner of a block realigning you slightly.
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You should play Spelunky then, sounds like you would love it.