Agreed, while Spiderman 3 is my most disappointing Spiderman movie ever but is still much better than both ASM movies.
The black suit alone makes it better
Agreed, while Spiderman 3 is my most disappointing Spiderman movie ever but is still much better than both ASM movies.
Like, it's something that can easily be handwaved.
Consider that virtually every major time-travel story completely ignores that the Earth, solar system, and whole universe is in constant motion. So, like, in Back to the Future, the DeLorean arriving at the exact same physical space but in another time means that Marty gets stranded in space. Now, feel better about those people snapped from planes and shit.
Spider-Man 3 might be the worst solely for the scene where Peter walks out of the sewer after thinking he's killed Sandman, catches his reflection in a mirror, and decides it's time to flatten his hair. As if to say, "This is my new look now."
That Raimi thought this scene was the best way visually communicate the change in Peter's demeanor says it all
I thought I heard the same thing (that Brad was blipped and "came back ripped").And it was throwing me off every time he came on screen.Man that's what I thought but I distinctly remember Ned saying along the lines of "how did he come back ripped after being blipped" and it got me confused
I'll need to rewatch that scene with Ned. I swear he says Brad was blipped..must be mistaken.
I always felt as thought this Gotcha ignores that all position and motion is relative anyway. It sort of has this unspoken implied absolute reference frame.
I always felt as thought this Gotcha ignores that all position and motion is relative anyway. It sort of has this unspoken implied absolute reference frame.
I recall people saying this might have been the case prior to FFH coming out.
So with this actually being what happened, when people blipped back, would they still be in the cars (airplanes, boats, etc locations) or just in the previous location ie. falling to their deaths or blipping back on the highway etc?
Did Marvel ever comment on that?
Wonder how Flash is going to react when he finds out Peter is Spider-Man.
Breaks down in non-inertial frames. This is why in the "twins" mind experiment the astronaut in orbit ages slower than the one who remains on earth. Twins moving in free space relative to one another without acceleration would be aging at the same rate, even if they were moving at a great velocity relative to one another.
DISCLAIMER: I'm not a theoretical physicist.
Wonder how Flash is going to react when he finds out Peter is Spider-Man.
By becoming Venom is SP3.Wonder how Flash is going to react when he finds out Peter is Spider-Man.
I am absolutely there with you on that.I think we can all agree Amazing Spider-Man 2 is the worst right?
They do hints of it throughout the movie but it's implied that Beck is unstable. It also wouldn't be the first time Stark's recklessness drove someone to villainy (see Iron Man 3, Iron Man 2, Civil War, Age of Ultron), plus he threatened to murder them if they didn't go through with the planAnd the motive and premise of why Mysterio is doing what he is doing are beyond flimsy. Disgruntled ex Stark employees? Cause he named his technology BARF? His whole team looks like a group of ppl you'd find at happy hour and all of a sudden they are talked into creating this fake character, destroy cities, and kill ppl just to trick Nick Fury and take over as the only remaining superhero? I'd expect that kind of plot from the Incredibles but here...I mean again the movie was fun but the more I think about it, the less believable it is.
His whole team looks like a group of ppl you'd find at happy hour and all of a sudden they are talked into..
Yeah, I was so confused about how they touched upon rampant homelessness in New York because of the blip, then they get to Italy and everything seems absolutely fine.
It's not just implied Beck is unstable, he outright says Tony fired him for being unstable lolThey do hints of it throughout the movie but it's implied that Beck is unstable. It also wouldn't be the first time Stark's recklessness drove someone to villainy (see Iron Man 3, Iron Man 2, Civil War, Age of Ultron), plus he threatened to murder them if they didn't go through with the plan
And the motive and premise of why Mysterio is doing what he is doing are beyond flimsy. Disgruntled ex Stark employees? Cause he named his technology BARF? His whole team looks like a group of ppl you'd find at happy hour and all of a sudden they are talked into creating this fake character, destroy cities, and kill ppl just to trick Nick Fury and take over as the only remaining superhero? I'd expect that kind of plot from the Incredibles but here...I mean again the movie was fun but the more I think about it, the less believable it is.
The more you analyze the post Endgame world and how everyday normal kids go about it, it falls apart story-wise. They just comically talked their way past everything by mentioning the blip at the start and then nothing. It might as well not have even happened.
Yeah, I was so confused about how they touched upon rampant homelessness in New York because of the blip, then they get to Italy and everything seems absolutely fine.
So as I mentioned a few days back, I really really enjoyed the movie but something that bothers me now that I think about it, and will for all solo Marvel movies, is the whole idea that this story takes place in a shared universe. The more you analyze the post Endgame world and how everyday normal kids go about it, it falls apart story-wise. They just comically talked their way past everything by mentioning the blip at the start and then nothing. It might as well not have even happened.
And the motive and premise of why Mysterio is doing what he is doing are beyond flimsy. Disgruntled ex Stark employees? Cause he named his technology BARF? His whole team looks like a group of ppl you'd find at happy hour and all of a sudden they are talked into creating this fake character, destroy cities, and kill ppl just to trick Nick Fury and take over as the only remaining superhero? I'd expect that kind of plot from the Incredibles but here...I mean again the movie was fun but the more I think about it, the less believable it is.
Yeah, I was so confused about how they touched upon rampant homelessness in New York because of the blip, then they get to Italy and everything seems absolutely fine.
Yes the motive is really the weakest part. If any of them blipped it would've delayed their plans as well so the fact that they were able to pull all that off so quickly was another head scratcher.
Sure we could spend half the movie talking about the implications of the Blip, But most people don't want to see that movie.
Definitely not in Spider-Man at any rate. They addressed it well enough for me.
I think more time has passed since the end of Endgame and FFH than people realize. It has to be at least 9months, right? Since these kids completed another school year.
Two points: the word "blip" speaks for itself. You were a teenager with a heap of problems then there was a blip and suddenly half the people you knew got older. But despite the world getting grimier and lots of people getting fatter and older somehow you still have to graduate and make a career. And that girl you used to date in school is now 21 and is married with a family.
There's just so much crap going on for a teenager in the Endgame world. So maybe you want to go for a young adult drama on the lines of Hunger Games or Deathly Hallows. But nah, this is a film about a teenage superhero. Obviously it has to be a light-hearted coming of age comedy with added villainy.
I think the only way to handle 'the blip' is to treat it comically. Infinity War and Endgame were crossover event movies - it's the nature of comics for the pendulum to swing back quickly from cataclysmic events. I think the writers do as good a job as they could, as they aren't making a post-apocalypse movie. They touch on school being affected, losing homes, people reappearing into nowhere, fraud - they just do it with a comic edge.
The release date years are never going to catch up to the timeline nowI'm pretty sure in the opening school news thing, Betty says it's 8 months since everyone blipped back.
I think you're missing the crux of why they're doing it. The most important lines in the monologue weren't the ones about BARF and such but the ones about "life's work" and the fact they all got fired/let go.And the motive and premise of why Mysterio is doing what he is doing are beyond flimsy. Disgruntled ex Stark employees? Cause he named his technology BARF? His whole team looks like a group of ppl you'd find at happy hour and all of a sudden they are talked into creating this fake character, destroy cities, and kill ppl just to trick Nick Fury and take over as the only remaining superhero? I'd expect that kind of plot from the Incredibles but here...I mean again the movie was fun but the more I think about it, the less believable it is.
You've pinpointed a contention which will only exist within this new concept of a "cinematic universe".It doesn't have to be any of those movies, but IMO it has to either address the blip or don't. Leave that for another movie. But bringing it up only to just wave it away as a joke, seemed odd to me. When it came up I thought for sure they would talk about how some his classmates are now 5 yrs older than him but it seems like for Peter exactly everyone he has ever loved or cared for remained the same age as Peter.
You've pinpointed a contention which will only exist within this new concept of a "cinematic universe".
It's basically a friction between:
1. we want to make an upbeat teen movie Spider-Man, following Homecoming's lead
2. we want to make a continuation of the events of Infinity War/Endgame which contextualises the events of those movies
The problem is that these two things don't really go together, because #1 is upbeat tone while #2 is frankly a very grim, heavy series of events.
So their approach to hit both goals was to show a more flippant, teenager perspective on the events of IW/EG.
I definitely see what you're saying, but thought the execution was so good that they landed it, really.
How they handled the blip was a problem with Endgame and setting up an unwieldy premise, not with FFH. This was always going to be a problem unless they wanted the MCU to be about the cataclysmic effects of the snap. Which frankly isn't what I want out of my superhero movies. It's the problem with the end of Man of Steel too, and they leaned into the ramifications of it in BvS for the much, much worse.
Forget the snap/blip ASAP. It's over. it was a dumb idea to write into the MCU.
I think you're missing the crux of why they're doing it. The most important lines in the monologue weren't the ones about BARF and such but the ones about "life's work" and the fact they all got fired/let go.
There's tons of key backstory which is the meat and potatoes of these characters, but gets gets glossed in the monologue. Frankly, the monologue is super over-written. It should be half as long and people wouldn't complain as much.
The key information which gets bogged down in all the over-writing is: these innocuous people slaved for years - probably decades - on their very personal bleeding-edge projects, which got them jobs with Stark Industries. Stark then personally sucked in, chewed up and spat out these projects (usually deconstructing/destroying them) with basically no respect for the creators, then fired them all.
They look like happy hour employees because they are back-end Silicon Valley and MIT style developers. They are super-geniuses relegated to the back bench and abused by a megalomaniac boss. They work together on all the completely insane shit because they want a drip of the respect and reputation that Stark got, so do it the only way they know how - use their brains to manipulate people.
Their ultimate goal isn't to "take over as the only remaining superhero" - it's to finally be recognised for all their work. Which, clearly, was going to come after they destroyed at least two cities in their insane publicity campaign.
Very true, although I get the impression SI does a lot more than just weaponsThey're also employees that worked for a weapons manufacturer. Stark Industries would have been comprised of people with fewer qualms about what's ethical. There's clear reservation about casualties which don't both Quentin, but the focus of the plan was destruction that Mysterio could rescue people from. Their technology used to dethrone their former boss.
Very true, although I get the impression SI does a lot more than just weapons
I'm not sure what the end goal for Mysterio's plans was, though. Especially seeing as he wanted recognition for his technology, but his plan involves keeping his technology hidden.
Mysterio wanted to be the next Iron Man, without doing any actual work to earn it.