Yes, and it's the right decision
Trade a Pokémon away. Reset your save. Pokémon cloned.
They'd never allow that
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Splatoon 2, Pokémon Let's Go, FIFA 19 and other games seemingly don't support cloud saves [Update]
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Trade a Pokémon away. Reset your save. Pokémon cloned.
They'd never allow that
So to be able to play Pokémon online and backup my mons I need two paid subscriptions? For one game?
Pokémon alone should go back to those old batteries so eventually you just lose everything. That's more like it.
I mean, it could also just be some intern updating pages from a sheet and not knowing anything else. There's really no reason for DS or Dead Cells to not have cloud saves, like that just reads like an error.
Well yes. They are two unrelated services by two different companies. (though we don't know how it will work on Switch
I'd love to see Pokemon use a hybrid system where you can back up your game progress (locally and in the cloud), but you can only back up your data for your actual Pokemon via Bank.
FYI for all the posters in this thread who think that cloud saves would compromise the integrity of a game like Pokemon. The way it works on ps4 and xbone is that saves are typically locked to a user. Meaning that most games won't support it if I copied my save to anyone's account other than mine.
There is no mass cheating or exploits caused by having saves that can be backed up. That's a bullshit argument and a lot of people on this thread should be ashamed of defending anti-consumer practices under the guise that those practices are there to protect Pokemon (LOL)
There is no mass cheating or exploits caused by having saves that can be backed up. That's a bullshit argument and a lot of people on this thread should be ashamed of defending anti-consumer practices under the guise that those practices are there to protect Pokemon (LOL)
how about a better solution that is saves are on servers only? not only your save will be always safe, it will also prevent people from hacking their own saves or doing the duplication thing because it is always loaded from the server and saved there.
there is 0 reasons they are not doing this and it is stupid.
You can trade Pokémon locally, offline. That's a big part of Pokémon.
So that wouldn't work.
That's not the type of cheating that is relevant on the Switch. Nvidia's fuckup blew the system wide open and allows for tons of significant cheating that can effect competitive games like Splatoon and Pokemon, which doesn't exist on the other systems which are much harder to hack. It isn't a major reason why this bs ought to be defended but the situation is very different from other systems. Saying that it isn't a problem at all isn't gelpfhe to anyone
I was expecting Nintendo to do this with some of their games, but... EA? Bamco? Does Switch have a huge vulnerability that other consoles don't? I mean, it's already hacked, but I'd figure the other consoles are as well?
How would this be possible with a system that is routinely offline? No saving?
So, essentially turning it into an online-required game to save/load? That's definitely not gonna be received well at all.
They're locked to an account, so as long as you sign in with your account you can resume the save on any machine where you're signed in. If you go offline and never manually reload the save, you can just savescum repeatedly by reloading your cloud save, going offline, then deleting your save if you don't get the result you want.
Now you're not just locking save backups behind a paywall, you're also locking access to save data behind an internet connection.
You know what's worse? Eventually hackers will fuck things up and get a leg up, while normal consumers will stay with an inferior product because "we must protect against hackers!"
That sure worked out well so far (no browser, we must keep hackers out!, etc)
PS4 has an entire save-cheating/editing market and tools on sale, they just don't care.
No, the solution would be to sync your save with cloud as soon as you boot the game and connect online. This problem has been solved elsewhere a long time ago. This is beyond embarrassing especially for an online centered game like Splatoon 2.
Not eventually, you can already backup all your saves with hacked Switch. The homebrew app actually does a pretty decent job too.
I love how people are trying to bash Game Freak decision here about not allowing cloud backups when it's literally the only solution that prevents cheating.
So far nobody has provided an alternative way that cloud saves could be supported for Pokémon while preventing cloning Pokémon.
Pokémon Bank exists, that's the cloud solution for Pokémon.
So far nobody has provided an alternative way that cloud saves could be supported for Pokémon while preventing cloning Pokémon.
Pokémon Bank exists, that's the cloud solution for Pokémon.
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to prevent hacking this is the only solution there is and none other.
if they think preventing cloud saves will stop the pokemon hackings then they are doing the wrong thing, people will easily hack the switchs saves and trade them offline with people or to the other systems.
Pokémon not supporting cloud saves doesn't surprise me, but Splatoon 2 not supporting it is a bit of a shocker.
I don't claim to have a solution for cheating, but for a game like Pokemon and Splatoon 2, which I would never sell because my progress in those games had a lot of meaning to me, really really sucks. I understand the possible reasons but having stuff like this at the start of a (delayed) online service doesn't look good. Hopefully they clarify things very soon.
1. I have a nice shiny Pokémon on my game
2. I trade it locally to my second Switch, while both are offline
3. I delete the save from the first Switch before it connects online
4. I restore my Pokémon backup
5. I now have 2 nice shiny Pokémon
So yeah, that still doesn't work.
Or just flag for an auto save when a trade happens...? Or only allow trading when connected online. I mean there's a lot of solutions to this issue.
I mean I sort of get it, considering cloud saves could promote scumming behavior for online games. On the other hand there should be some sort of server-side thing that saves your ranking and items regardless. If they got that existing as a thing by then, they should announce that.
to this day I still don't understand why captured pokemon savedata isn't saved separately from progress data. I understand not wanting to clone pokemon, but I want my pokedex and badges saved so I dont have to catch them all a fifth time because of data loss.
Get out of here with your logic.
(GTA:Online had the same issue, people were savescumming during car customizations, they forced an autosave after each change after that).
I'm more wondering if they're not just going to update Splatoon 2s already nigh-full save upload into a psuedo-backup feature. In which case you'd not need cloud saves and the game already does it, just not completely.
You'd only risk losing single player content but even that would be a trivial flag.
You'd only risk losing single player content but even that would be a trivial flag.
of course it doesn't
hope yall didn't want this for Animal Crossing because this is the preamble
hope yall didn't want this for Animal Crossing because this is the preamble
Pokémon already autosaves when trading. Remember you can trade locally, offline.
but how can you cheat if its cloud saves only? (as far as we know)
How do that fix the problem if you have a backup save in the first place? If you mean auto save to the cloud, then you can't trade locally anymore.
Already does this. Just delete the save, download back-up. Grats you cloned everything you traded.
So why do you think the other consoles don't have this problem?
Are we assuming that Bamco, for example, is not allowing Dark Souls cloud saving because Nintendo allows them to have this option (which is not the case for MS and Sony)?
I really don't get it. If they don't care about it on other consoles, why would they care now?
I really don't get it. If they don't care about it on other consoles, why would they care now?
I've played 6 actually. And I find it hilarious that so many people think Pokemon is in this unique position in the industry. The lengths people go to defend Nintendo is laughable.
This reminds me of Sony apologists in any crossplay threads.
Stop supporting bad business practices because you generally like the games that a company makes. Capitalism makes people so eager to defend their favorite company. It's baddddddddd
Remove local trading, only let local trades be confirmed once hooked back up to online service, only allow local trading through the phone app, etc. Lots of ways to deal with this problem.
See above.
They probably don't have exceptions like Pokemon, so they do carte blanche. But if Nintendo didn't allow it but carved out exceptions, it'd be considered unfair.
In a world where Nintendo manages to track so much player data, how hard would it be to detect cheating with backups? They send your a warning and block your match access if you disconnect too many times in a row. They could simply limit backup usage to once every 24 hours. Problem solved.
This is absolute bullshit. Backup saves is literally the only value I see from Nintendo Online. I could give two fucking shits about some old fucking game I first played when I was 6. The VC could burn in hell for all I care.
What I care about is the 200hr I put in Splatoon 2, which I will apparently be one unlucky break away from losing.
Then you absolute know what would happen if they allowed save backups
Also stop assuming I am defending it because of Nintendo, I am defending it because I want less cloned pokemon online
So kids in the park can't trade? Or basically anywhere where there isn't stable internet for a console that can be played anywhere?
Come on.
They already upload (most of) your save of Splatoon 2. In fact they even do sanity checks on saves now remotely. What they don't do, for some reason, is allow you to pull your save from them.
Yup. It's gonna suck if I manage to lose my ~150 hours of save data because they're seemingly being incompetent as usual.