I would assume Nintendo, like Valve, is leaving it up to pubs/devs and not making it mandatory. Similar to video capture.
I don't have those other consoles so I don't know or follow their policies.
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Splatoon 2, Pokémon Let's Go, FIFA 19 and other games seemingly don't support cloud saves [Update]
- Thread starter atmuh
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I don't have those other consoles so I don't know or follow their policies.
Wait, so you mean the guys can actually go online on Switch? Well here's a solution, make the trades online only. Authentic the trade with a server like every other damn game from last decade does.
just flag the user's pokemon. when the pokemon doesnt match up with the back up, the progress in the story and pokedex, is loaded, but not the pokemon.
Easy. Figure out a way that all Pokémon have a unique ID that gets flagged once traded. If a dupe pops up from deleting and re-downloading a save, it would inform you the Pokémon has been traded and then auto delete it once you re-download a save.
Meaning you can only dupe if you stay offline forever in which that case, who cares.
There, I fixed the issue.
Congratulations, you just removed the feature that made pokemon popular
Nintendo should simply upgrade the game and migrate player's data to their servers, associating each save with its respective Nintendo ID, pretty much like everybody else does.
You're ready to compromise standardized features that have been offered by every other console manufacturer since 2009-2010 because of a single game?
So now we must think of the little kids? Because a kid would love to lose his save, right?
Hint: wrong. It happened to me when I was a kid and I sure as shit wasn't happy (not that cloud saves even existed, but I sure as hell would love if they did back then.)
They already do this, they don't (for some reason) allow you to recover it.
I am only talking about pokemon here, I never said that other games shouldn't have cloud saves
Kids in the park could either:
A. Use their phone app.
B. Engage a trade, and said trade completes when they get home/somewhere with WiFi and reconnect.
C. Exchange friend information and trade later.
You're describing a problem that likely doesn't exist in this day and age anyway. I feel like some of you might be stuck in the 90s with Nintendo.
That's fair. I'm more focusing on the broad discussion of having access to your online saves. I don't think it's fair to make a distinction depending on what kind of game it is. It's up to Nintendo to think about how to make sure there isn't cheating while still providing access to online saves. That's their responsibility.
Right, in which case I will fully retract my freakout if Nintendo is able to restore this data when I sent it in. I would accept this compromise (grudgingly) for all games: if no cloud save is available, Nintendo will store save data on their servers, which can be restored if you send it in.
Honestly, trading Pokemon offline probably made sense a decade or more ago, but internet connections are pretty much everywhere. I don't see a reason for that feature to exist. One of the biggest games in the world is online connection required. I'm not saying they should save everything server side, but trading should require registering your Pokemon server side and let the server facilitate the exchange.
it's getting ridiculous how some accept and make excuses for their favourite companies.
if anyone thinks no cloud saves means no hacking or cheating then they are delusional, the only thing we getting here is no way to back up ur save and it being stuck on your system forever.
They may enable it when the service go out, they may not. No idea what their plan is but they absolutely have a running clone of every Splatoon 2 user on their servers.
Yeah I don't like it either and I hope they change their mind on this or find some kind of work-around.
This is insane, Splatoon 2 is an online only game. Why would my progress not be copied to the cloud?
I was literally composing a post with this exact idea, thank you.
Yeah what the fuck.
This is extremely shitty.
Cant even back the save up locally.
You do realize pokemon has to function as an offiline game, right?
Kids will still trade locally with their friends specially in a country like japan
It's almost like basic modern cryptography and transaction validation doesn't even exist.
Exactly. I see a lot of people arguing under the pretense that saves need to be locked in order to keep Pokemon pure and free from cheaters. Pokemon has always had cheaters. Hell, I was one of them when I had a DS. It's fine to dislike cheating. It's another to want to stop people from backing up their saves because of it.
Okay so basically Nintendo needs to figure out some shit. That's trash, honestly. It's not like Splatoon doesn't have hackers already??? There must be a way.
You can't be serious.
Maybe 20 years ago, not really hard to get online these days.
Only if Nintendo locks trading behind a paywall.
Another solution.
Making trading online only is dropping feature.
Local trading is still a thing at least in Japan.
We might have a Switch revision down the line since the Switch is successful. The current model is also prone to cracks. Why trap my saves if I want to upgrade or even replolace it?
Pokemon is grindy as hell already. From needing to go through the story you might end up hating to even being able to buy the shit you need to complete your pokemon builds through a series of battles at a facility. The time that would be lost is already greater than if someone has shinies.
Pokemon is grindy as hell already. From needing to go through the story you might end up hating to even being able to buy the shit you need to complete your pokemon builds through a series of battles at a facility. The time that would be lost is already greater than if someone has shinies.
That makes no sense, you wouldt never find dupes this way. Remember that people who dont pay for the sub HAVE to be able to trade locally. So its posible for a single mon to appear online with different players. So your example could only detect if the same mon is online AT THE SAME TIME. It doesnt solve anything. It doenst account for trades.
Or instead of online you can just do this.
Seriously guys, its not hard.
Its almost like Nintendo doesnt know how to handle online games.
Always online =! Trading online
So from which save its deleted? From both? Then I can trade my shiny Pokémon offline with a little boy who wants it and will give me his most precious Pokémon (but he still wants the shiny more). Then he connects online and his Pokémon disappear. There, I just tricked a little boy into giving me his Pokémon.
So that doesn't work either.
It is a good idea but...
This might still be a problem
I am honestly baffled. So I can't backup Splatoon 2 save in the cloud because some kid in the park in Japan might not be able to trade his Pokemon locally?
Lets say I have a mon, and dupe it so both you an me have the same mon. I go online and battle using that mon. Later you go online and battle using that mon, what happens?
Lets say I have a mon, and I go online a battle with it, then I trade it with you and you go online and battle with it. what happens? Isnt it the same thing for the server?
You know that local trading is one of the most important aspects of Pokémon right?
The main reason Switch has local wireless communication is because is very likely because Pokémon, if it didn't Pokémon wouldn't have moved to Switch.
Oh geez. I'm sorry but this hypothetical is laughable as an excuse.
But to answer. It can delete from the re-downloaded save. There. I solved the problem. Hire me, gamefreak.
Nintendo's online offerings continue to be a shitshow. Hopefully they get raked over the coals for this and make changes. This shouldn't be how this works in 2018.