[SPOILERS] Devil May Cry 5 for PS4 is (Slightly) more censored than on Xbox One and PC, but only in the West

[Gold Arsene]

I love it when folks only bring up violence in response to sexualized designs. It's great. And telling.




What the fuck? Did you take one minor scene change, despite everything else being "censored" on all platforms, and immediately jump to this?

What the fuck is actually wrong with you people?

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The person was thinking that the change was to appease countries that dislike nudity.

I was asking if they'd be fine if that was used as an excuse to change something more serious. Though the top part was a rough part of the initial message that didn't delete for some reason.

I also don't see if how pointing out the double standard that showing people's guts being blown out is apparently ok to Sony but an adult woman's butt is too much. I'm fine with both violence and sexualization but R ratted violence being declared "ok" while PG-13 level nudity is apparently terrible is a strange concept to me. I don't see how that's telling.

Also nice of you to think something's "wrong" with us. You don't like sexulization so it getting removed is ok to you because you don't care about it or the people who would like that content to stay. Doesn't give you the right to try and force your morality on others.

 

[Remember]

Except that in those markets in question XBOX hasn't been trounced , they litteraly are barely a blip on the radar that's what you don't get , PS4 in Morroco / Algeria / Lebanon / UAE , isn't the market leader of the console market they ARE the market period this generation ...
And well that has putten them in a very uncomfortable spotlight .
Again they will be overbearing for a while then they will calm down ...
This doomsday tone from everybody in this thread is beyond ridiculous ...

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This isn't a doomsday thread, it's actually free marketing for every other platform this game is on. By the way you should answer the other person that quoted you and stop typing like that fam, use less ellipses and don't use the enter key so much lol.

 

[melodiousmowl]

go watch the monty python episode "full frontal nudity".

that's from the frikkin 70s.

how did we get to a place where a bum is censored?

hint: https://www.cnn.com/shows/sex-and-love-around-the-world answers a big part of it.

 

[TheSyldat]

I hope you'd be just as willing to use this defense if they removed the gay relationships in The Last of Us Part II to appease Russia.

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Except that they got yelled at in those very same countries because of the trailer for the last of us part 2 , and their response has been that if seeing two grils merely kissing was so bad for them the game will simply not come to muslim territories .
To which most muslim gamers lashed out on twitter at their conservative shit stick conservatives
Also whether you fucking like it or not SCE is like Nintendo doing the following "Japan house + THE REST OF THE WORLD House "
The "western version" isn't so much western as it is the "international version" ...
So the game is following global guidelines tailor made to generate as little friction as possibly doable ...
Hell in fact before those recent changes publishers kept bitching and moaning about how many various local sony houses they had to please so that their game would finally be greenlit ...
That's the result of those changes a global set of rules for everybody ...

 

[JaseC64]

Omg Sony what is you doin?

Is there a way to fight this censorship? I guess the only way is to not buy the ps4 version and use social media to spread disappointment?

Seriously like someone posted....the last of us 2 is gonna be gory as fuck and they will show it off at another expo (remember how they casually showed the gruesome gamepad at the Paris show without really thinking about it lol) without censoring anything as they wouldnt want to make baby naughty dog mad.

I really hate this type of hypocrisy.

Very disappointed for sure to see dmc4 ps4 is a shitty version. Censoring like this to me diminishes the end product. Who knows what else in the future will have to be sensored now.

I hope if sony has an open panel, people speak up about this stupid decision. (when not.loli related Jesus)

 

[Adamska]

Or maybe leave it up to the consumer to decide if they want to see it?

I mean, not buying the game is an option if "trashy fanservice" is such a concern to people. It's not like there aren't hours of gameplay on youtube you could use to make yourself aware of this kind of stuff in advance. Even if you want to avoid spoilers, there's a clear age labeling, which includes the reasoning behind it, such as the inclusion of nudity, right on the box.

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Disclaiming that the game has nudity does not make said nudity less gratuitous. Understand this, I have no problems with nudity per se, but the way it's used in this game is pretty unnecessary. Like, aren't these characters scantily clad enough anyway? When Kyrie and Nero were absorbed by the savior in DMC4 there was no need for their clothes to melt.

 

[impact]

Sony sucks so much when they're in first place.

 

[Melchiah]

Dear people at Sony, I live in Europe. As you might know, we mostly don't have any kind of issues with the female body like some American folks do. Having said that, I must ask: Why is our version censored as well?

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I'd wager it's done for the same reason as why TLOU's multiplayer and one scene from Beyond: Two Souls were censored. Some countries like Germany have issues with such minor things, and Sony probably thinks it's easier and more cost-effective to release one version for the whole PAL region. That's very unfortunate for the rest of us, who don't have to live by such strict laws. At least after the 90's VHS censorship days.

Aren't middle-east countries included in the same region? If so, that might explain the removal of sexual content.

 

[Gold Arsene]

Except that they got yelled at in those very same countries because of the trailer for the last of us part 2 , and their response has been that if seeing two grils merely kissing was so bad for them the game will simply not come to muslim territories .
To which most muslim gamers lashed out on twitter at their conservative shit stick conservatives
Also whether you fucking like it or not SCE is like Nintendo doing the following "Japan house + THE REST OF THE WORLD House "
The "western version" isn't so much western as it is the "international version" ...
So the game is following global guidelines tailor made to generate as little friction as possibly doable ...
Hell in fact before those recent changes publishers kept bitching and moaning about how many various local sony houses they had to please so that their game would finally be greenlit ...
That's the result of those changes a global set of rules for everybody ...

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Funny that Nintendo is still in business then despite not doing this anymore.

Frankly you're reasoning just makes Sony come across as incompetent and lazy forcing a third party developer to censor their game to appease a completely different region.

Also are Germany and Australia still so hard on graphic violence as they used to be because as people have been pointing out they don't seem to be in any hurry to crack down on that.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

When I saw the lens flare I honestly thought it was some of the usual DMC comedy. Was surprised that it was only a ps4 thing. The lens flare feels more consistent with the tone of the game tbh.

 

[Cymbal Head]

On one hand, this is idiotically unnecessary.

On the other, I don't imagine I'd ever be bothered by gratuitous nudity getting hidden behind a light ray. If it was important to the game's story or tone, that's another matter, but this doesn't seem to be the case here.

 

[NCLI]

Disclaiming that the game has nudity does not make said nudity less gratuitous. Understand this, I have no problems with nudity per se, but the way it's used in this game is pretty unnecessary. Like, aren't these characters scantily clad enough anyway? When Kyrie and Nero were absorbed by the savior in DMC4 there was no need for their clothes to melt.

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Cool.

So don't buy it, write a letter to the devs suggesting they add a PG13-mode, whatever. Just don't try to prevent those who enjoy the legal, harmless content from enjoying it because you don't like it.

 

[Deleted member 4976]

Well what is the argument for one being okay in an 18+ product and the other not?

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You're asking me what the argument is for using a whataboutism and some shitty slippery slope arguments? Are you incapable of discussing the minor "censorship" here (looks like one scene on ps4 when all other scenes on all platforms are "censored") without deflecting to violence as a barometer, when the two things aren't alike, don't treat the different genders in the same way and don't have the same impact on the end product? Really?

It's a shitty fucking deflection. You can discuss one without the other, especially when the other, violence, never gets trotted out by most folks except in defense of female sexualization in games.

The person was thinking that the change was to appease countries that dislike nudity.

I was asking if they'd be fine if that was used as an excuse to change something more serious. Though the top part was a rough part of the initial message that didn't delete for some reason.

I also don't see if how pointing out the double standard that showing people's guts being blown out is apparently ok to Sony but an adult woman's butt is too much. I'm fine with both violence and sexualization but R ratted violence being declared "ok" while PG-13 level nudity is apparently terrible is a strange concept to me. I don't see how that's telling.

Also nice of you to think something's "wrong" with us. You don't like sexulization so it getting removed is ok to you because you don't care about it or the people who would like that content to stay. Doesn't give you the right to try and force your morality on others.

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If your going to take a, at best, minor "censorship" scene and slippery slope that shit to removing Ellie being gay due to countries, then yea, your going to get called out. You took it to the fucking extreme for no reason. And no, the two aren't remotely comparable and it's not remotely a valid example.

 

[Abriael]

I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that Capcom's gonna patch in the flares in every version/platform with the next patch.

 

[Ferrs]

Omg Sony what is you doin?

Is there a way to fight this censorship? I guess the only way is to not buy the ps4 version and use social media to spread disappointment?

Seriously like someone posted....the last of us 2 is gonna be gory as fuck and they will show it off at another expo (remember how they casually showed the gruesome gamepad at the Paris show without really thinking about it lol) without censoring anything as they wouldnt want to make baby naughty dog mad.

I really hate this type of hypocrisy.

Very disappointed for sure to see dmc4 ps4 is a shitty version. Censoring like this to me diminishes the end product. Who knows what else in the future will have to be sensored now.

I hope if sony has an open panel, people speak up about this stupid decision. (when not.loli related Jesus)

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the average guy doesn't give a flying fuck about a purple fart in a bare ass and it's not gonna stop them for buying the PS4 version.


Like, as I said, this thing is stupid and Sony is in the wrong for doing this, but it's amusing how strongly how some of you are taking this, ignoring the wider broad about why Capcom decided to shit the bed again with the female characters of this series.

 

[MetalBoi]

This is exactly why I'm dumping Sony after this gen, and getting an Xbox One asap.

 

[Deleted member 23046]

This is only funny for the weirdos who were mad about their little girls porn being censored in the first place, so if you find this funny then... well... geez.

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And loli stuff are censored on the Japan PSN too, DMC is not. It happend often that content can be cut by the publisher.
The only thing that counts is to know if it's a Capcom decision or not, of if true regarding what criteria.
The only that count for people more concerned about censorship than platform war.
Personaly I wait for, first a neutral comparative of every version on all platforms, than some Capcom/Sony explainations.

 

[Crossing Eden]

It's a dumb throwaway scene that lasts a few seconds, who honestly cares that much. I'm more bummed out that the game does both Trish and Lady dirty by ramping up the fanservice.

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^^

 

[[Sigma]]

I tried to tell people it wasn't just about anime stuff.

 

[TheSyldat]

Nintendo is still doing mostly international release with some exceptions with really overbearing countries , that can't be reasoned with .
Again Ebb and Flow of "first I don't want to rub elected officials of that country the wrong way , then I grow up in my relationship with that market then I push boundaries again"
I have seen it happening plenty times and not just in video games whether you like it or not you guys are blowing shit out of proportion ...
End of the conversation for me really .
Because legit there is no reasoning you folks ...
In a decade from now we will talk about it again and I know who's gonna feel stupid about what they said (pro tip ain't gonna be me )

 

[tyfon]

go watch the monty python episode "full frontal nudity".

that's from the frikkin 70s.

how did we get to a place where a bum is censored?

hint: https://www.cnn.com/shows/sex-and-love-around-the-world answers a big part of it.

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Where I live breasts, butts and vaginas are not an issue at all, we often have "full frontal nudity" even on the front page of news papers and the national broadcasting company's web page (NRK, same as BBC for Norway).
There is even a TV show on NRK made solely to "normalise" regular bodies and all their parts.. Nothing is censored.

For the western world at least it's mostly in the US that the human body is considered dangerous.

Monty Python is from the UK, and while I can't say for certain I don't think they are as prudish?
Or maybe they are, I kind of remember news about porn filters on their ISPs.

 

[Lothars]

This is exactly why I'm dumping Sony after this gen, and getting an Xbox One asap.

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For slight censoring of one scene? Talk about overreaction.

 

[Melchiah]

Sony sucks so much when they're in first place.

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Yeah, let's forget Microsoft's parity clause, services like Netflix being behind XBL paywall, restricting both Netflix and HBO coming to competing platform, and not allowing crossplay, when they had the upper hand last gen.

 

[PeterVenkman]

It's a dumb throwaway scene that lasts a few seconds, who honestly cares that much. I'm more bummed out that the game does both Trish and Lady dirty by ramping up the fanservice.

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THIS. This is a much more valuable conversation to have than y'all cryin censorship.

 

[Daniel Westlake]

So Sony has new-ish policies on sexualized content that have been somewhat confusing and they've made different statements on, but does anyone actually known if this was a demand from the platform holder vs. Capcom just doing something to forestall some possibly criticism of the scene from Western audiences or issues with idk the NA branch of Sony publishing or however the fuck that goes?

 

[WrenchNinja]

This is exactly why I'm dumping Sony after this gen, and getting an Xbox One asap.

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Because you can't see a butt?

 

[Unaha-Closp]

I remember seeing a penis in GTA Lost and Damned. This has nothing to do with this though just thought I'd say I remembered it. As for this - it's odd but no more. Wouldn't push me to buy or not buy this game on a Sony console. I wouldn't be buying it to see a buttcrack in the first place. Like I say - it's more odd than anything for me.

 

[Morfid_Plays]

I may be wrong, but I have a feeling that Capcom's gonna patch in the flares in every version/platform with the next patch.

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Hopefully they patch in some clothes
As it always should have been

 

[Encephalon]

Judging from the image alone, this seems a bit silly.

 

[MetalBoi]

For slight censoring of one scene? Talk about overreaction.

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If you think this is an isolated incident, you're very mistaken. Sony is taking it upon themselves to go above and beyond the ratings board to censor all kinds of stuff these days, and I want no part of it.

It'd be one thing if I really cared about Sony exclusives, but they just don't do anything for me this gen. I've been putting up with Sony's bullshit for all the third party Japanese games on Playstation, but now that Switch is getting that stuff I no longer have to deal with Sony nonsense.

 

[Eolz]

This is only funny for the weirdos who were mad about their little girls porn being censored in the first place, so if you find this funny then... well... geez.

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You probably don't remember that people were really confused about it happening on a single platform, in a really weird way, and without giving guidelines to devs.
It was funny to see that people said this would only apply to one kind of games.
But hey, I guess you only cared about "weirdos who were mad about their little girl porn" and not changes in the industry. Tells more about you than other posters.

 

[Kinthey]

You're asking me what the argument is for using a whataboutism and some shitty slippery slope arguments? Are you incapable of discussing the minor "censorship" here (looks like one scene on ps4 when all other scenes on all platforms are "censored") without deflecting to violence as a barometer, when the two things aren't alike, don't treat the different genders in the same way and don't have the same impact on the end product? Really?

It's a shitty fucking deflection. You can discuss one without the other, especially when the other, violence, never gets trotted out by most folks except in defense of female sexualization in games.

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They are very much related as in that they're both content which we consider that children have to be protected from, which why both end up censored so often. So if you have to censor one to protect sensibilities I think it's absolutely fair to ask why the other is considered completely fine.

 

[tyfon]

If you think this is an isolated incident, you're very mistaken. Sony is taking it upon themselves to go above and beyond the ratings board to censor all kinds of stuff these days, and I want no part of it.

It'd be one thing if I really cared about Sony exclusives, but they just don't do anything for me this gen. I've been putting up with Sony's bullshit for all the third party Japanese games on Playstation, but now that Switch is getting that stuff I no longer have to deal with Sony nonsense.

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But you are ok with the censoring of Ladys butt on the xbox and PC?

 

[Deleted member 4976]

You probably don't remember that people were really confused about it happening on a single platform, in a really weird way, and without giving guidelines to devs.
It was funny to see that people said this would only apply to one kind of games.
But hey, I guess you only cared about "weirdos who were mad about their little girl porn" and not changes in the industry. Tells more about you than other posters.

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You know this is one scene right? All the platforms have the same stuff in other scenes, with this one being an exception?

Weird example to defend. And yea, the initial censorship was always fine. Fuck having weird shit with little girls cause that's what some weirdos are used too.

 

[Saray]

Some of you are losing your minds over not seeing a butt clearly in a video game. That's where we are now.

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Will It be okay for you if they cover the girls hair to not offend anyone?. Maybe the ankles should be covered , too daring. People don't like it because It is fucking backwards and stupid.

 

[Deleted member 4976]

They are very much related as in that they're both content which we consider that children have to be protected from, which why both end up censored so often. So if you have to censor one to protect sensibilities I think it's absolutely fair to ask why the other is considered completely fine.

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Fuck off with this nonsense. Violence and sexualization don't apply to the different genders in the same way in gaming. Trying this equate the two is some horse shit.

 

[Gold Arsene]

You're asking me what the argument is for using a whataboutism and some shitty slippery slope arguments? Are you incapable of discussing the minor "censorship" here (looks like one scene on ps4 when all other scenes on all platforms are "censored") without deflecting to violence as a barometer, when the two things aren't alike, don't treat the different genders in the same way and don't have the same impact on the end product? Really?

It's a shitty fucking deflection. You can discuss one without the other, especially when the other, violence, never gets trotted out by most folks except in defense of female sexualization in games.



If your going to take a, at best, minor "censorship" scene and slippery slope that shit to removing Ellie being gay due to countries, then yea, your going to get called out. You took it to the fucking extreme for no reason. And no, the two aren't remotely comparable and it's not remotely a valid example.

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There the ones who said it's done to appease other cultures but whatever.

I'm not trying to say the two things would comparable interns of severity but I shouldn't off done that as it is to extreme so I apologize for that.

I still don't think asking why violence is ok in this particular scenario is a deflection though as both are talking about adult and often unessesary things in which one the big company has decided is more ok then the other.

But if you don't want to bring that up then hers this. I'm opposed to something so comparatively tame being deemed to much by the people besides those who's actual job it is to monitor and control this content. I don't like the precedence this sets for Sony and frankly have little reason to think it won't get worse.

And if it helps despite honestly liking or at least not minding fanservice I actually don't like these scenes for either Trish or Lady and hate how they were treated in this game. You can even see my first post before coming into this thread in the DMCV spoiler thread was complaining about that. So believe it or not this isn't just me not wanting "muh titties" being taken away. Goodness knows the internet has me covered for that.

 

[MetalBoi]

But you are ok with the censoring of Ladys butt on the xbox and PC?

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No, but I need a second HD stationary console besides a Sony system. Xbox is my only other option.

 

[Deleted member 4976]

Will It be okay for you if they cover the girls hair to not offend anyone?. Maybe the ankles should be covered , too daring. People don't like it because It is fucking backwards and stupid.

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Where the fuck is moderation? How the hell are blatantly stupid posts like this allowed?

Holy fucking shit, this thread is a dumpster fire.

 

[Daniel Westlake]

Judging from the image alone, this seems a bit silly.

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Like I'm interested to know why and under what circumstances this decision was made but it's a dumb scene designed to just flash a game characters ass so whatever on that level.

 

[Solaris]

Yeah, let's forget Microsoft's parity clause, services like Netflix being behind XBL paywall, restricting both Netflix and HBO coming to competing platform, and not allowing crossplay, when they had the upper hand last gen.

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I wonder why you got so defensive about that persons comment.

 

[modiz]

interesting to see people have a bigger problem with sony censoring this scene, than this thing actually being in the game in the first place.

 

[Eolz]

You know this is one scene right? All the platforms have the same stuff in other scenes, with this one being an exception?

Weird example to defend. And yea, the initial censorship was always fine. Fuck having weird shit with little girls cause that's what some weirdos are used too.

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Uh? It reads like you're replying to the wrong quote there.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Some of you are losing your minds over not seeing a butt clearly in a video game. That's where we are now.

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"But why don't people like gamer culture?"

 

[WrenchNinja]

Will It be okay for you if they cover the girls hair to not offend anyone?. Maybe the ankles should be covered , too daring. People don't like it because It is fucking backwards and stupid.

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These are such a stupid comparisons. How is a butt equivalent to any of this? Why are you so desperate to see a naked butt in a video game?

 

[Kinthey]

Fuck off with this nonsense. Violence and sexualization don't apply to the different genders in the same way in gaming. Trying this equate the two is some horse shit.

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This really isn't making much of an argument. How they apply to different genders makes no difference to the ratings we see from rating boards. Either is considered harmful to youth. That the US has some fucking hangups when it comes to nudity is no secret, just think of "nipplegate"

 

[Deleted member 19213]

eh... that's a dumb thing to censor

 

[vestan]

They are very much related as in that they're both content which we consider that children have to be protected from, which why both end up censored so often. So if you have to censor one to protect sensibilities I think it's absolutely fair to ask why the other is considered completely fine.

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Okay but in the context of Sony's other stuff, this is very clearly done to work within the sensibilities of other cultures which aren't accustomed to sexually-explicit content as we are. It has nothing to do with children at all which is why people bringing up violence are missing the mark. Portrayal of violence in media is way more normalized over here and in places like Saudi Arabia as opposed to sex. SCE is a worldwide publisher and thus ensure their products can be accessed in every single market out there. It's the reason why they're the market leader, after all.

I'm 100% on board with them censoring pedo shit from Japanese versions of games too. People comparing CERO which is still an extremely young rating board to the ESRB don't know shit.

 

[Gold Arsene]

interesting to see people have a bigger problem with sony censoring this scene, than this thing actually being in the game in the first place.

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1. Some people might just like nudity.

2. As I said above my literal first post in the spoiler thread was complaining about it. Still doesn't make what Sony does less dumb.

 

[DrArchon]

Wow. I think calling it "slightly more censored" might still be a bit much. This is barely anything.

It's still clearly an imagine of a naked woman on your screen, you just can't see her ass crack.

If that bothers you more than the fact they felt the need to put a naked helpless woman in their game, then you gotta sort out your priorities.