Did I ask for Blast Corps spirits?
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Did I ask for Blast Corps spirits?
Rest assured I'm staring daggers at your avatar right now.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013...-fighter-favorite-characters-popularity-poll/
There's a more recent survey, but people used it to vote on which characters they wanted as Street Fighter V DLC, so it's not very reliable (but even so, Ryu still beat out Ken).
I kind of doubt it, but I thought of something. This would be cool to see as one alt:
Does anyone think they'll do any more Sonic characters? No third party series more deserving multiple reps imo. Tails could be a slower Sonic with lower jumps and the ability to hover like Peach, I'd also be down for an Eggman Bowser Jr echo.
Backlash back airs OP, Backlash front attacks like Little Mac aerials.
It is weird for me to see people saying they would be sad with the choices because unless it is a non videogame choice (non videogame AND non nintendo) I will be happy and hyped regardless. It will not be a OMFG choice that would make me run on my street screaming like Tetrimino, Hanafuda or Stylist would, but still I am happy with what sakurai cook
I think the lack of substantial Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music and Sakurai choosing not to use any character from the game as an assist trophy leaves the door open.
Probably not for this game... but I do think the mii costumes, spirits and little music included - not to mention the Rex acknowledgment in the Direct - gives fans hope.
It feels like, if not now, next time. Even if the game will be old by then. The errr... appeal of Pyra/Mythra isn't going away.
Totally know what you're both saying - as I said in my post - but I think the disappointment would be huge.
Imagine Phil getting up on stage and despite knowing the thirst for Banjo, announcing Steve.
Minecraft doesn't need any selling and I honestly don't think the people buying Character Pack #4 (or whatever) care about Steve - though I could be wrong.
Banjo, as a franchise, is dead. But bringing back the prodigal son would strike a cord with every Nintendo fan.
People can justify the likes of Doom Guy (who I'm not against) and Steve simply because they've appeared on Nintendo consoles.
But Banjo, Rare, Nintendo... the bear and bird in Smash would represent so much more than that.
He's a beloved mascot of a bygone era, the star of a mishandled franchise, a reminder of when a plucky little British studio when toe-to-toe with Nintendo.
I get all the arguments, business or otherwise - but let's get real.
Let's talk to each other as gamers now rather than second guessing the bigwigs at Nintendo - Banjo > Steve.
Even if you didn't like the games and preferred Mario, Banjo and Kazooie belong in this franchise.
*puts arm around shoulder*
Never give up!
Probably not for this game... but I do think the mii costumes, spirits and little music included - not to mention the Rex acknowledgment in the Direct - gives fans hope.
It feels like, if not now, next time. Even if the game will be old by then. The errr... appeal of Pyra/Mythra isn't going away.
Totally know what you're both saying - as I said in my post - but I think the disappointment would be huge.
Imagine Phil getting up on stage and despite knowing the thirst for Banjo, announcing Steve.
Minecraft doesn't need any selling and I honestly don't think the people buying Character Pack #4 (or whatever) care about Steve - though I could be wrong.
Banjo, as a franchise, is dead. But bringing back the prodigal son would strike a cord with every Nintendo fan.
People can justify the likes of Doom Guy (who I'm not against) and Steve simply because they've appeared on Nintendo consoles.
But Banjo, Rare, Nintendo... the bear and bird in Smash would represent so much more than that.
He's a beloved mascot of a bygone era, the star of a mishandled franchise, a reminder of when a plucky little British studio when toe-to-toe with Nintendo.
I get all the arguments, business or otherwise - but let's get real.
Let's talk to each other as gamers now rather than second guessing the bigwigs at Nintendo - Banjo > Steve.
Even if you didn't like the games and preferred Mario, Banjo and Kazooie belong in this franchise.
*puts arm around shoulder*
Never give up!
I think that it being a "no brainer of a business decision" is actually fairly questionable. Do people who like Minecraft have any particular attachment to the character? And would they want to buy DLC of this character in a fighting game that has previously had no Minecraft content whatsoever? Steve doesn't rank very high in any Smash fan wishlists that I've seen. He's definitely behind someone like Banjo or Waluigi in fan requests. So basically the logic is that it's not established Smash fans who want him but that the character will attract a lot of Minecraft fans to Smash to then buy DLC for this one specific Minecraft character. This is a very not safe assumption. Maybe if Sakurai thought up of a really interesting moveset for him and was adamant that he be put in for that reason, but otherwise I'm skeptical.
Not many third party characters can boast that they used to be owned by Nintendo. I'm right there with you, I'll never lose hope. At least, I'll never shut up about it.
If Microsoft had any sense they'd be working with Nintendo to bring Banjo back.
They've got an older demographic, who don't want platformers and the company itself is heading in a service-centric direction. There's no way to really monetise Banjo.
But that doesn't mean they can't profit off the IP.
Why not both ?
Kill it with fire!
We'll go down on this ship together! :P
People always make this argument and idk
I think Smash is a monster seller on it's own without needing to lean on any third parties. Especially not Microsoft. That rumor has never made any sense to me and I'll continue to treat it as bs until we see something official.
People are forgetting that Banjo is already playable in a game on the Switch (as paid DLC too!):
I mean, he's pretty much garunteed for Smash as a skin for Steve
Fucking hell, this is going to happen, isn't it? lol
I doubt that date is literally when it was finalized. I think that is just when he tweeted that is was finalized so people knew it's been decided already and to stop bugging him with requests. That was shortly after the direct where he (arguably) said the lineup had been decided (i.e. Rex Mii outfit explanation), yet because they didn't reveal them, it still gave if the impression to many they were still up in the air. They were seemingly gettting bombarded with requests as a result.
It is likely they decided DLC some time ago where stuff like Arms and Fortnite didn't really work with their timing.
That would put DLC as being decided back in mid-2017, which wouldn't really add up with how Sakurai spoke of the DLC.
What else did he say about the DLC besides the last Direct and those Twitter comments?
Everything I've seen him say could easily be interpreted to mean it has been decided for some time. Unfortunately, many would say just the opposite based on the same language. Unless someone asks him to specifically clarify with zero room for interpretation in an interview, there is always going to be dissenting opinions on what he meant.
Yeah, add me into the Banjo over Steve camp, obviously. The idea that that six cube grotesquerie would be chosen over Nintendo's prodigal children Banjo and Kazooie is enough to make me feel sick. I know Steve and Minecraft are a huge deal for gaming as a whole, but in the hearts of longtime dedicated Nintendo fans, there's only one right choice to make, and it's to bring the bear and bird home. I'd be totally for all the rest of the rumor's characters but Steve alone has me hoping it's fake. I have to believe that Nintendo wouldn't crush the hopes of their longtime fans like that.
I'm not saying I believe any of the rumors and I'm not saying Smash needs third parties. Like...at all. I'm saying Minecraft reaches an entirely different (and huge) audience and Banjo reaches nobody new. I'm also not saying Banjo wouldn't sell, cause he absolutely would.
Do you know how insane the Minecraft community is? Spend time around Minecraft kids and you'll understand. Minecraft being in Smash also guarantees you get a bunch of Minecraft YouTubers making mention of it, reacting to the reveal, reaching an audience that may not even know about Smash. People downplaying the impact Minecraft would have in Smash are being short-sighted.
Possibly, yeah. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they scoped it out 6 months to a year in advance. I imagine there's a lot of planning and negotiations that can take a long time. It doesn't seem to extreme to me. Wasn't the game in development for four years?
Development started on February 2016, with the base roster being locked in 2 months prior.
Smash was a very heavily advertised game, I'm not sure how much more effective youtube "influencers" would be in this regard. If, in theory, a Minecraft kid had no interest in Smash would they then buy a brand new game and then spend money to buy DLC to play as Steve. It makes far more business sense for Nintendo to go for characters that are requested or has overlap with a Smash fanbase. Although Nintendo could probably put anyone has DLC and they'd sell I'm sure. I'm just not sure that the logic of Steve from Minecraft being a good pick from a business perspective is true, not anymore than anyone else.
Yeah, this weird narrative like Smash Bros. needs help to get attention is puzzling to me. It's freaking Smash Bros.
Smash is huge, but it isn't all encompassing. There are absolutely a ton of kids or people way into Minecraft out there who don't know what Smash is. You're kidding yourself if you think Minecraft in Smash wouldn't be a big deal. And again, I'm saying this as someone who doesn't give a fuck, but is around kids enough to know it would be a big deal.
Literally nobody is saying that.
I see. But yeah, I still think it's possible the DLC was determined in 2017. Maybe someone who's worked on a major game can chime in on what sort of lead times stuff like this can have. As a Rock Band fan, I've gotten use to the devs saying "licensing is hard". I know that's music but it probably is true for other stuff too.
I'm of the opinion that any competent fighting game dev can make a workable moveset for any character.
Yes please! Both both! One day Nintendo will own the Sonic franchise and Sonic, Knuckles, Tails and Eggman will be playable.
Alucard for CV and Zero for Megaman are equally deserving. The detail in both AT gives me hope for next time.
At the earliest, I could see the characters being decided upon in early 2018, with negotiations going up to 11/6/18 (November 6th). As for your other justifications...
- You have a point about how recent Fortnite's success is, but Sakurai has historically been gunshy regarding new Nintendo IPs (thus explaining ARMS's absence). The AT would have thus taken the series out of the DLC running.
- Had DLC been decided earlier than 2018, we would have had more leaks given how leaky Ultimate's reveals have been.
I can buy that the DLC was all decided earlier. I imagine Nintendo had a list of characters for Sakurai, and he said who he could make work, and Nintendo went out and got the rights to those characters. The people who knew would have to be really small. And actual development on the characters didn't start until after the base game was completed.
If you guys are interested, Mizumi (the person who put the Piranha Plant parameters over Bowser Jr. yesterday) is currently putting Brave's stats over Ike to get a feel for how they will play (assuming they aren't changed before release). Right now he's copying over the params, but he'll be playing with him soon on stream.
Honestly, I was pretty much the same, except even the Belmonts did nothing for me (never played CV). Erdrick is the first character I'm really excited to see despite not being 100 percent confirmed. Despite not getting who I really wanted (Elma would've been my other pick), I've been really happy with the game overall and am just happy to see people having a good time. It's why I get a little ticked off at PlanetSmasher 's posts. I'm excited for a character they aren't and seeing the constant "I'm not happy" instead of just taking or leaving it rubs me the wrong way.
The data for them (weight, height etc) is in the files so he can map those to another character per say to get an idea of how they would work in motion.
He's putting them on Ike, right? I think I heard that when I tuned in for a moment.
At the same regard, at some point it gets frustrating to feel like the only person not being invited to the party.
Height comparison between Lucina and "Brave"
Definitely an adult sized character. And Ike is slightly bending the knees, so whoever it is, is the same height as her if standing up straight