I mean, if Banjo gets in we would probably get Blast Corps spirits (if the scrapped franchise names are anything to go off).
Did I ask for Blast Corps spirits?
Rest assured I'm staring daggers at your avatar right now.
I mean, if Banjo gets in we would probably get Blast Corps spirits (if the scrapped franchise names are anything to go off).
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2013...-fighter-favorite-characters-popularity-poll/I mean, that's the thing. Ryu definitely isn't the most popular character in SF. Honestly, Ken is probably more popular than he is overall. But he's the face of the series, just like Sol is the face of Guilty Gear. Most fighting games have an ensemble darkhorse character who's vastly more popular than the "made-for-newbies" face.
I kind of doubt it, but I thought of something. This would be cool to see as one alt:
Okay, fine.Did I ask for Blast Corps spirits?
Rest assured I'm staring daggers at your avatar right now.
Backlash back airs OP, Backlash front attacks like Little Mac aerials.Everyone focuses on Banjo but nobody weeps for the lack of a Blast Corps rep like I do. I'm picturing a Pokemon Trainer situation where you can Down B between all the different vehicles and robots.
Minecraft is a huge draw and potentially a giant untapped market for Nintendo to draw in to Smash. I'd also prefer Banjo, but a choice between the two is an absolute no brainer of a business decision.
At the very least, Steve getting in opens the door to Microsoft content in Smash. I want Banjo badly as well, but Steve's in one of the biggest games on the planet. You already know what I mean.
Now if we get Banjo as a Mii Costume though, then I'll probably go crazy. (which would be ironic, Banjo didn't even get Avatar cosmetics for the 360).
Everyone focuses on Banjo but nobody weeps for the lack of a Blast Corps rep like I do. I'm picturing a Pokemon Trainer situation where you can Down B between all the different vehicles and robots.
I think that it being a "no brainer of a business decision" is actually fairly questionable. Do people who like Minecraft have any particular attachment to the character? And would they want to buy DLC of this character in a fighting game that has previously had no Minecraft content whatsoever? Steve doesn't rank very high in any Smash fan wishlists that I've seen. He's definitely behind someone like Banjo or Waluigi in fan requests. So basically the logic is that it's not established Smash fans who want him but that the character will attract a lot of Minecraft fans to Smash to then buy DLC for this one specific Minecraft character. This is a very not safe assumption. Maybe if Sakurai thought up of a really interesting moveset for him and was adamant that he be put in for that reason, but otherwise I'm skeptical.Minecraft is a huge draw and potentially a giant untapped market for Nintendo to draw in to Smash. I'd also prefer Banjo, but a choice between the two is an absolute no brainer of a business decision.
I think the lack of substantial Xenoblade Chronicles 2 music and Sakurai choosing not to use any character from the game as an assist trophy leaves the door open.
Probably not for this game... but I do think the mii costumes, spirits and little music included - not to mention the Rex acknowledgment in the Direct - gives fans hope.
It feels like, if not now, next time. Even if the game will be old by then. The errr... appeal of Pyra/Mythra isn't going away.
Totally know what you're both saying - as I said in my post - but I think the disappointment would be huge.
Imagine Phil getting up on stage and despite knowing the thirst for Banjo, announcing Steve.
Minecraft doesn't need any selling and I honestly don't think the people buying Character Pack #4 (or whatever) care about Steve - though I could be wrong.
Banjo, as a franchise, is dead. But bringing back the prodigal son would strike a cord with every Nintendo fan.
People can justify the likes of Doom Guy (who I'm not against) and Steve simply because they've appeared on Nintendo consoles.
But Banjo, Rare, Nintendo... the bear and bird in Smash would represent so much more than that.
He's a beloved mascot of a bygone era, the star of a mishandled franchise, a reminder of when a plucky little British studio when toe-to-toe with Nintendo.
I get all the arguments, business or otherwise - but let's get real.
Let's talk to each other as gamers now rather than second guessing the bigwigs at Nintendo - Banjo > Steve.
Even if you didn't like the games and preferred Mario, Banjo and Kazooie belong in this franchise.
*puts arm around shoulder*
Never give up!
Not many third party characters can boast that they used to be owned by Nintendo. I'm right there with you, I'll never lose hope. At least, I'll never shut up about it.
Minecraft is a huge draw and potentially a giant untapped market for Nintendo to draw in to Smash. I'd also prefer Banjo, but a choice between the two is an absolute no brainer of a business decision.
People are forgetting that Banjo is already playable in a game on the Switch (as paid DLC too!):
I mean, he's pretty much garunteed for Smash as a skin for Steve
I don't really know much of anything about Fortnite characters or their lore but the main thing that would have me suspicious isn't that their western characters or that they don't have defined names/roles, it's that my assumption is that the Fortnite phenomenon is too new for this to have ever been on the radar of Nintendo/Sakurai when they were thinking about and finalizing DLC plans.
As far as we know, DLC was chosen by Nintendo, verified as being feasible to make by Sakurai, & finalized on November 6, 2018. While I don't personally expect a Fortnite character, Fortnite would have already established itself as a force of nature in the gaming industry well before then.
Isabelle ain't an echoYeah, everyone's going to react to the roster differently. I'm happy for K. Rool fans finally getting their boy and he does work really well in the final game, but Dark Samus, Chrom and Isabelle were just "are you kidding me?" announcements. But I'm also just not a big fan of the Echo Fighter concept in general.
The last character announcement I was actually happy about for myself was the surprise Richter reveal, and it's been...rough since then.
That would put DLC as being decided back in mid-2017, which wouldn't really add up with how Sakurai spoke of the DLC.I doubt that date is literally when it was finalized. I think that is just when he tweeted that is was finalized so people knew it's been decided already and to stop bugging him with requests. That was shortly after the direct where he (arguably) said the lineup had been decided (i.e. Rex Mii outfit explanation), yet because they didn't reveal them, it gave if the impression to many they were still up in the air. They were seemingly gettting bombarded with requests as a result.
It is likely they decided DLC some time ago where stuff like Arms and Fortnite didn't really work with their timing.
That would put DLC as being decided back in mid-2017, which wouldn't really add up with how Sakurai spoke of the DLC.
So you believe the DLC was decided back in 2017?What else did he say about the DLC besides the last Direct and those Twitter comments?
Everything I've seen him say could easily be interpreted to mean it has been decided for some time. Unfortunately, many would say just the opposite based on the same language. Unless someone asks him to specifically clarify with zero room for interpretation in an interview, there is always going to be dissenting opinions on what he meant.
I'm not saying I believe any of the rumors and I'm not saying Smash needs third parties. Like...at all. I'm saying Minecraft reaches an entirely different (and huge) audience and Banjo reaches nobody new. I'm also not saying Banjo wouldn't sell, cause he absolutely would.People always make this argument and idk
I think Smash is a monster seller on it's own without needing to lean on any third parties. Especially not Microsoft. That rumor has never made any sense to me and I'll continue to treat it as bs until we see something official.
Do you know how insane the Minecraft community is? Spend time around Minecraft kids and you'll understand. Minecraft being in Smash also guarantees you get a bunch of Minecraft YouTubers making mention of it, reacting to the reveal, reaching an audience that may not even know about Smash. People downplaying the impact Minecraft would have in Smash are being short-sighted.I think that it being a "no brainer of a business decision" is actually fairly questionable. Do people who like Minecraft have any particular attachment to the character? And would they want to buy DLC of this character in a fighting game that has previously had no Minecraft content whatsoever? Steve doesn't rank very high in any Smash fan wishlists that I've seen. He's definitely behind someone like Banjo or Waluigi in fan requests. So basically the logic is that it's not established Smash fans who want him but that the character will attract a lot of Minecraft fans to Smash to then buy DLC for this one specific Minecraft character. This is a very not safe assumption. Maybe if Sakurai thought up of a really interesting moveset for him and was adamant that he be put in for that reason, but otherwise I'm skeptical.
Development started on February 2016, with the base roster being locked in 2 months prior.Possibly, yeah. I don't know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if they scoped it out 6 months to a year in advance. I imagine there's a lot of planning and negotiations that can take a long time. It doesn't seem to extreme to me. Wasn't the game in development for four years?
Smash was a very heavily advertised game, I'm not sure how much more effective youtube "influencers" would be in this regard. If, in theory, a Minecraft kid had no interest in Smash would they then buy a brand new game and then spend money to buy DLC to play as Steve. It makes far more business sense for Nintendo to go for characters that are requested or has overlap with a Smash fanbase. Although Nintendo could probably put anyone has DLC and they'd sell I'm sure. I'm just not sure that the logic of Steve from Minecraft being a good pick from a business perspective is true, not anymore than anyone else.I'm not saying I believe any of the rumors and I'm not saying Smash needs third parties. Like...at all. I'm saying Minecraft reaches an entirely different (and huge) audience and Banjo reaches nobody new. I'm also not saying Banjo wouldn't sell, cause he absolutely would.
Do you know how insane the Minecraft community is? Spend time around Minecraft kids and you'll understand. Minecraft being in Smash also guarantees you get a bunch of Minecraft YouTubers making mention of it, reacting to the reveal, reaching an audience that may not even know about Smash. People downplaying the impact Minecraft would have in Smash are being short-sighted.
Smash was a very heavily advertised game, I'm not sure how much more effective youtube "influencers" would be in this regard. If, in theory, a Minecraft kid had no interest in Smash would they then buy a brand new game and then spend money to buy DLC to play as Steve. It makes far more business sense for Nintendo to go for characters that are requested or has overlap with a Smash fanbase. Although Nintendo could probably put anyone has DLC and they'd sell I'm sure. I'm just not sure that the logic of Steve from Minecraft being a good pick from a business perspective is true, not anymore than anyone else.
Smash is huge, but it isn't all encompassing. There are absolutely a ton of kids or people way into Minecraft out there who don't know what Smash is. You're kidding yourself if you think Minecraft in Smash wouldn't be a big deal. And again, I'm saying this as someone who doesn't give a fuck, but is around kids enough to know it would be a big deal.Smash was a very heavily advertised game, I'm not sure how much more effective youtube "influencers" would be in this regard. If, in theory, a Minecraft kid had no interest in Smash would they then buy a brand new game and then spend money to buy DLC to play as Steve. It makes far more business sense for Nintendo to go for characters that are requested or has overlap with a Smash fanbase. Although Nintendo could probably put anyone has DLC and they'd sell I'm sure. I'm just not sure that the logic of Steve from Minecraft being a good pick from a business perspective is true, not anymore than anyone else.
Literally nobody is saying that.Yeah, this weird narrative like Smash Bros. needs help to get attention is puzzling to me. It's freaking Smash Bros.
Development started on February 2016, with the base roster being locked in 2 months prior.
Random thought, there's so much weird shit in Fortnite that they probably could make a decent Smash moveset. Building walls, using jetpacks, the various cartoony guns, etc. It's not my favorite idea or anything, but the moveset potential is definitely there.
Does anyone think they'll do any more Sonic characters? No third party series more deserving multiple reps imo. Tails could be a slower Sonic with lower jumps and the ability to hover like Peach, I'd also be down for an Eggman Bowser Jr echo.
Does anyone think they'll do any more Sonic characters? No third party series more deserving multiple reps imo. Tails could be a slower Sonic with lower jumps and the ability to hover like Peach, I'd also be down for an Eggman Bowser Jr echo.
At the earliest, I could see the characters being decided upon in early 2018, with negotiations going up to 11/6/18 (November 6th). As for your other justifications...I see. But yeah, I still think it's possible the DLC was determined in 2017. Maybe someone who's worked on a major game can chime in on what sort of lead times stuff like this can have. As a Rock Band fan, I've gotten use to the devs saying "licensing is hard". I know that's music but it probably is true for other stuff too.
I can relate to that. The Inklings were practically a given, and with the exception of the Belmonts, Ultimate's base newcomers basically does nothing for me. Just seeing how some people react to the very idea of Ryu Hayabusa in Smash has been... disheartening somewhat.
If you guys are interested, Mizumi (the person who put the Piranha Plant parameters over Bowser Jr. yesterday) is currently putting Brave's stats over Ike to get a feel for how they will play (assuming they aren't changed before release). Right now he's copying over the params, but he'll be playing with him soon on stream.
The data for them (weight, height etc) is in the files so he can map those to another character per say to get an idea of how they would work in motion.
Honestly, I was pretty much the same, except even the Belmonts did nothing for me (never played CV). Erdrick is the first character I'm really excited to see despite not being 100 percent confirmed. Despite not getting who I really wanted (Elma would've been my other pick), I've been really happy with the game overall and am just happy to see people having a good time. It's why I get a little ticked off at PlanetSmasher 's posts. I'm excited for a character they aren't and seeing the constant "I'm not happy" instead of just taking or leaving it rubs me the wrong way.