You can react differently here if you want, religion is religion to me. I view all religions as the same, or at least the Abrahamic ones. The ones that have influenced culture the most. Stuff like that shit Tom Cruise follows I won't even call a religion. That's a cult.
Why don't you want to wear it? Someone earlier said to me it's a way to essentially be closer to God and empower your belief. To me, that would suggest more men would want to try it out too?
What about covering your hair and/or face 24/7 doesn't make you interested? If you want to talk further why do you think hardly any other men don't want to do it?
1) Wait, who said I'm a Muslim?
2) People can wear the same things for different reasons. Now you may wish to take a seat for this because it's a very complex issue. See, one person might wear a pair of jeans because they think they look cool. Meanwhile another person might wear a pair of jeans because they are tough and durable. I know right? It's fucking mind blowing! But wait there's more! Some people buy brand new jeans that are pre-torn because it's fashionable. Meanwhile another person might wear a pair of 5 year old jeans that are torn just because they are comfortable! I know that sounds absolutely insane so we understand that you may need a few hours to digest this information.
3) I don't do it because I don't want to. I haven't sat down and written a 30,000 word thesis on every clothing choice I have ever made in my entire life, nor have I hired yougov or Gallup to conduct extensive polling on the thinking behind every fashion choice made by every man on the planet. I simply lack the resources to pay for such an endeavour and if I'm being honest, even if I did have that kind of money I don't think it would be all that productive or helpful for society.
4) Your reaction to a women exercising her freedom to wear what she wants is to insist that men wear what you want them to wear which is an interesting take to say the least.
5) Go eat a bag of dicks.
You can tell me to eat a bag of dicks, the anger that comes from my fellow men when I challenge them at least lets me know you're having some sort of internal debate with yourself, even if anger and lashing out is the outcome for now.
The only internal debate I had is just how harsh my language should be when responding to a bigot that thinks they are clever.
Mate, hijab isn't among five pillars of Islam, it's heavily advised to wear one, but it's not a deal breaker if you don't. You're conflating socio-cultural issues with religion here.You yourself know internally why you wouldn't wear the thing you are telling me you won't wear but won't elaborate on. That's the internal dialogue I know happens.
Mate, hijab isn't among five pillars of Islam, it's heavily advised to wear one, but it's not a deal breaker if you don't. You're conflating socio-cultural issues with religion here.
You yourself know internally why you wouldn't wear the thing you are telling me you won't wear but won't elaborate on. That's the internal dialogue I know happens.
You can react differently here if you want, religion is religion to me. I view all religions as the same, or at least the Abrahamic ones. The ones that have influenced culture the most. Stuff like that shit Tom Cruise follows I won't even call a religion. That's a cult.
Why don't you want to wear it? Someone earlier said to me it's a way to essentially be closer to God and empower your belief. To me, that would suggest more men would want to try it out too?
What about covering your hair and/or face 24/7 doesn't make you interested? If you want to talk further why do you think hardly any other men want to do it?
For me to be challenging men around this as being "extreme", even if I am bordering on satirical as I know why you don't want to wear it 24/7, the same reason nearly anyone wouldn't, is what is wrong. Challenging people, especially men, to think about the views they hold in their heads is not an extreme course of action.
It's a necessity when it comes to religion and religious institutes, given the imbalance of power men have enjoyed.
Firstly, it's not 24/7 lol. And the reason more men don't do it is because the veil for men isn't mentioned in the Qur'an, though dressing with loose attire and covering private parts etc is. Many men observe covering their hair with topi's etc anyway because it was recommended by the prophet and because he himself used to do it.
Men are still actually supposed to initiate hijab by being the first to lower their gaze, hence it isn't right for a man to say a women has to wear hijab because otherwise she might grab his attention, because he should not be gawking first and foremost in the first place.
That said, because of the religious advisory, many Muslim women choose to follow it and wear a hijab, as mentioned to be closer to the religion and have a sense of Islamic identity not just in belief, but dress code. It should be stressed that nobody should be able to be forced to wear it, and neither should a man be forced to dress in loose clothing or whatever either, though of course in some countries these rules are wrongly enforced.
Ultimately, religion does not proscribe to all the more modern views of equality, in the sense that it makes distinctions between men and women due to differences in biological and philological make up etc, and this happens to go through to fashion, nurture and so on too (as it does in much of modern day culture too, hence men and women still largely have different dress codes, toilets etc). In that sense, whilst there is equality in the sense of respect, love, chores, right to work, raise children or whatever, there are some things that are different, eg whilst women may have the hijab as an example, men have more fiscal and asset responsibility, eg in marriage, what the husband earns or receives is both of theirs, but what the wife earns or receives is only hers if she so chooses it (a rule that is designed to give women more security and fiscal freedom).
Also that imbalance of power by men you speak of hasn't just been enjoyed by religion, it has been enjoyed culturally, economically, socially and politically all over the world and still is to this day. Its probably one of the reasons you yourself, as a white man, find it so easy to tell other women what is or isn't right or proper for them to believe or follow.
It's my understanding a veil is not specifically mentioned for women in the Koran either? Or there is at least some sort of interpretation of modesty instead of the Koran being fully explicit. And yes, you can take it off at home, but most of current day life is public. Very few people live at home all the time.
But even if I'm not 100% right there, what you're saying is the Koran views men and women differently? That's a core part of my point about the religious texts, a point which modern societies have largely rejected as of those times. Especially if it implies women have to do things men don't, or by nature have more responsibility to suppress over-eager men than those men take control of their own behaviours.
You're correct on your last sentence, but the churches and religious institutes were some of the most severe and powerful implementors of what we could probably say enabled modern day rape culture, the male gaze and issues with men in general. Considering how closely people hold their religious beliefs to their identities, they are some of the hardest things in life to challenge or criticize. And it has largely been men who run the churches, run the mosques and are the "voices of authority" that I spoke about in a post above. What do you think happens when things are a boys or mens club? Need I go off on a tangent about the rampant paedophilia and the covering up of it by the men running the Vatican?
I understand that and have some empathy for people who feel judgement day will come for them and they have to prove they followed their religion of choice "correctly". But that empathy doesn't extend to thinking I should fear challenging people for being called names or it implied I treat any one religion differently from another. I don't. The individual religious person routinely feels it is their religion I am targetting unfairly, but that's because that individual doesn't give a shit if I critique another religion. It's their religion that makes it personal and potentially upsets them. I get that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be phased by being called names or having accusations thrown at me.
Nothing I've said in this topic is extreme, that is the issue here. When you view my points as extreme no wonder some people think they cannot debate or challenge religions/religious practice/Conservative views.
Are my views on Christianity and Catholicism extreme? I was "obsessed" with them growing up as that was the two main religious forces thrust on me and the community/country I live in. The moral codes of them, the regressive views pushed by them and the Conservative ideals of them were what I challenged and still do today.
It is open to interpretation, but some choose to go ahead and wear it because even if it wasn't necessary, it'd still be more pious due to the advisory, and because it's also a symbol of religious identity, which many feel empowered by. The closest things for men I suppose would be dressing in looser clothing and growing out their beards longer. Again, not compulsory, but that many men choose to do anyway just to be closer to their religion.
Ultimately, it isn't really your place to criticise the choices these women make, especially when it doesn't concern, involve or harm you. Sure due to freedom of speech etc you theoretically have the right to, but it only comes off as making you seem like a rude and discriminatory bigot. It would be like me criticising a women for wearing heels or whatever else. Yes I could wax lyrical about how heels are a male designed fashion item or construct that in the 1900's was pushed by men to further sexualise and commodify women, but who the fuck am I to criticise any women over that choice of hers? Such criticism just comes off as rude and obnoxious.
You're in a thread about a woman's clothing, literally complaining and moaning about Islam, instead of supporting her. It's just incredible the amount of ranting and whining you are doing about this. Yes, definitely obsessed.
Didn't you literally have your thread creation abilities suspended due to constant Islamaphobic threads? The amount of time you have spent raving about Islam puts you in the company of vile racist alt right people. Seems about right.
It just shows how disingenuous you are comparing criticising Christianity to Islam. Like it's the exact something. We don't need anymore boring bigoted white people like you, obsessing over and ranting over Islam. We get it. You are obsessed and biased.
Boring white people who think they are smart obsessing over Muslims while ignoring the explosion of Neo Nazis who spout the exact same things.
And that interpretation has historically been stated by men, not necessarily women. Are you really going to suggest the 3 main religions and their institutes haven't been controlled by and ran by men? Is there even any female Imams? I don't think so. Just like the Catholic Church won't allow female priests. Only some Christian denominations have let female pastors be the head of churches.
It is 100% my place to critique religion and religious culture. As it is anyones. Freedom of speech goes hand in hand with freedom of religion. That is necessary to stop blasphemy laws or people stating blasphemy should be punishable/avoided. That has never ended well throughout history.
No, it was due to a Dark Souls 3 topic. Searching your memory banks for confirmation bias it seems.
And how is it disingenuous to compare the Abrahamic religions that all take from similar sources and often say similar things?
Yes, discrimination in the west towards Islam and Christianity is exactly the same. Its the same situation. Stop being wilfully dim to defend your bigoted obsession with Muslims. Every single thread of this sort, here you are, this boring intellectual warrior telling his how bad Islam is, one post after another. It's rather pathetic your obsession.
Hey, I think I remember you from the old place. If you don't mind me asking, why did you stop wearing a hijab?
Honestly, I find this type of mentality selfish. My wife wears a hijab, of her own choosing and volition. It's hard enough for Muslims in Western countries as it is right now with all the intense bigotry, hatred, vilification, ostracisation, racism etc, and this sort of "pandering" as you refer to it, is the only thing that actually improves acceptance and understanding.
She's hyper active as well, does cross country cycling, swimming, charity runs and all the rest, eg things that most bigots would ordinarily regard as examples of "assimilation", so for her, this type of marketing is important, it bridges the gap and let's more people know that actually not all hijabis (especially in Western countries) are these oppressed, house barred victims that people love to champion, and that instead it's a lack of this sort of "pandering" that actually forces more hijabis into hiding or into leading less active lives, in fear of bigotry and racism.
'Cuz under the guise of rational criticism and free thought you're really just attempting to show intellectual and moral superiority. Are you arguing against religious oppression and bigotry? Or ar you arguing to demonstrate your worldview as the only just, ethical, and universal way of thinking, using others' religious oppression to deflect from your own chauvinism?And that interpretation has historically been stated by men, not necessarily women. Are you really going to suggest the 3 main religions and their institutes haven't been controlled by and ran by men? Is there even any female Imams? I don't think so. Just like the Catholic Church won't allow female priests. Only some Christian denominations have let female pastors be the head of churches.
It is 100% my place to critique religion and religious culture. As it is anyones. Freedom of speech goes hand in hand with freedom of religion. That is necessary to stop blasphemy laws or people stating blasphemy should be punishable/avoided. That has never ended well throughout history.
No, it was due to a Dark Souls 3 topic. Searching your memory banks for confirmation bias it seems. Someone else like yourself did decide to say I created too many topics about Islam, then ran a mile when I pointed them to more topics created about the Catholic Church and multiple instances of paedophilia/corrupt priests. Funny how that mirrors exactly what I said above, each religious person thinks it's only their religion being spoken about because they ignore the others. You don't care about the others being spoken about because it's only personal if your religion is mentioned.
And how is it disingenuous to compare the Abrahamic religions that all take from similar sources and often say similar things? I know each religious person thinks they have the right religion and the others are wrong, but to live in any society where religions are mixed and it's not a theocracy, all of them will be challenged and criticised.
It attracted too much attention from Muslims when they saw me with a boy, at a bar, and other activities that Muslims (especially women) don't usually engage in. I was constantly judged and shamed by people in the Arab Muslim community when they were able to identify me in those situations, so I just wanted to look less visible.
It's also selfish when hijab wearing Muslims don't protect and speak out against their community for shaming those who don't wear the hijab. As someone who was a house barred victim, I had no one from the Muslim community help me when I was suffering from abuse from my parents. To this day I am excommunicated from the Yemeni-American community in New York, and will be referred to as the woman who shamed her family for removing the hijab and leaving home.
So much domestic violence happens because of a piece of cloth. When I start seeing more hijab wearing Muslims advocating for non-hijab wearing women, instead of being condemned for making our choice, then I can celebrate these initiatives with them.
'Cuz under the guise of rational criticism and free thought you're really just attempting to show intellectual and moral superiority. Are you arguing against religious oppression and bigotry? Or ar you arguing to demonstrate your worldview as the only just, ethical, and universal way of thinking, using others' religious oppression to deflect from your own chauvinism?
And that interpretation has historically been stated by men, not necessarily women. Are you really going to suggest the 3 main religions and their institutes haven't been controlled by and ran by men? Is there even any female Imams? I don't think so. Just like the Catholic Church won't allow female priests. Only some Christian denominations have let female pastors be the head of churches.
It is 100% my place to critique religion and religious culture. As it is anyones. Freedom of speech goes hand in hand with freedom of religion. That is necessary to stop blasphemy laws or people stating blasphemy should be punishable/avoided. That has never ended well throughout history.
As I said, you have the right to, but it just makes you come off as a rude, bigoted fool. There's levels to these things. We all have our thoughts about different things, and some of those thoughts can be negative, insensitive, unhealthy or unkind to bang on about. For example I think Goth clothing looks rather silly (sorry Goth people of Era), but I'm not going to go around criticising people for choosing to wear such clothes for whatever reasons they have. If anything I'd support them because that decision is something that gives them peace, comfort or joy, and it certainly doesn't negatively impact me in any way.
Likewise I wouldn't criticise high heels for the reasons I've stated above (even though I happen to love the look of heels, call me culturally brainwashed).
The reality is that millions of women around the world choose to wear the hijab for a multitude of reasons, and as much as you may not like that, if you were a decent human being you'd accept it, because it is ultimately a harmless decision they've taken that is actually none of your business.
Honestly I've read countless posts from you about Islam, about Muslim women etc, and I feel like you have a lot of growing up to do. This narrow minded, bigoted, superiority complex that you have, it's not healthy, and it's not likely to help you in life either. Try and learn to be more accepting and understanding of different people, and worry about and concentrate on improving yourself before criticising others who are at the end of the day doing you no wrong.
'Cuz under the guise of rational criticism and free thought you're really just attempting to show intellectual and moral superiority. Are you arguing against religious oppression and bigotry? Or ar you arguing to demonstrate your worldview as the only just, ethical, and universal way of thinking, using others' religious oppression to deflect from your own chauvinism?
1) Wait, who said I'm a Muslim?
2) People can wear the same things for different reasons. Now you may wish to take a seat for this because it's a very complex issue. See, one person might wear a pair of jeans because they think they look cool. Meanwhile another person might wear a pair of jeans because they are tough and durable. I know right? It's fucking mind blowing! But wait there's more! Some people buy brand new jeans that are pre-torn because it's fashionable. Meanwhile another person might wear a pair of 5 year old jeans that are torn just because they are comfortable! I know that sounds absolutely insane so we understand that you may need a few hours to digest this information.
3) I don't do it because I don't want to. I haven't sat down and written a 30,000 word thesis on every clothing choice I have ever made in my entire life, nor have I hired yougov or Gallup to conduct extensive polling on the thinking behind every fashion choice made by every man on the planet. I simply lack the resources to pay for such an endeavour and if I'm being honest, even if I did have that kind of money I don't think it would be all that productive or helpful for society.
4) Your reaction to a women exercising her freedom to wear what she wants is to insist that men wear what you want them to wear which is an interesting take to say the least.
5) Go eat a bag of circumcised dicks.
Well he's obviously not arguing against religious oppression, He is arguing in favour of it. Obviously we have a crisis of extreme Neo Nazi bigotry in the west. Not only does he ignore this, he is literally following in their footsteps of bigoted obsession over Islam. Mini Tommy Robinson we got over here. So brave.
His response to you tells you everything you need to know. He thinks he is collecting scalps, defeating people and being a badass. Jesus Christ. A boring bigoted Hitchens knock off thinking he is collecting scalps. Hilarious. Just another brave white man, proving his worth on an anonymous message board.
Dudes, a bigoted prick. Not sure why the mods here don't ban such people.
If you go back a hundred years or so, Christians will have been saying they were discriminated against. In fact, just go to America in the last few years. Evangelicals will tell you abortion laws, gay marriage laws and trans rights are oppressing their religious beliefs/rights. Evangelicals routinely think they are being discriminated against.
The difference in the West, largely speaking, is it has been normalized to criticise Christianity/Catholicism because we've had generations of doing so. Not that that doesn't stop some Conservative Christians or Catholics stating they're being discriminated against.
If you're going to start talking about racism or Trumps Muslim ban, then those clear cut cases of genuine discrimination have nothing to do with me challenging religious texts, cultural views and male dominance.
JFC. Why are we tolerating someone repeating racist alt right talking points?
Repeated complaining that its okay to criticise Christians, and that even they claim they are oppressed like Muslims. Holy shit. No wonder you are such a bigot.
Nothing to do with you? LOL. You are ranting and raving about Muslims non stop. Not just in this thread. You contribute to Islamaphobia. Nothing to do with you. Don't know what you are more, boring or bigoted.
No idea what to think. This is too complex an issue for me to dissect properly.
I don't know why I posted in here.
Thank you for sharing this. You are a brave person.It attracted too much attention from Muslims when they saw me with a boy, at a bar, and other activities that Muslims (especially women) don't usually engage in. I was constantly judged and shamed by people in the Arab Muslim community when they were able to identify me in those situations, so I just wanted to look less visible.
It's also selfish when hijab wearing Muslims don't protect and speak out against their community for shaming those who don't wear the hijab. As someone who was a house barred victim, I had no one from the Muslim community help me when I was suffering from abuse from my parents. To this day I am excommunicated from the Yemeni-American community in New York, and will be referred to as the woman who shamed her family for removing the hijab and leaving home.
So much domestic violence happens because of a piece of cloth. When I start seeing more hijab wearing Muslims advocating for non-hijab wearing women, instead of being condemned for making our choice, then I can celebrate these initiatives with them.
Um, there're no authority figures in Islam, you have scholars, but 95% of Muslims wouldn't be able to name one (or their madhhab for that matter), and no, imam in a local mosque isn't a relegious authority, just a guy who can recite Quran, read Arabic and has a little training in Muslim theology. There's no equivalent of Pope in Islam (ayatollah is close, but Shias of the forum can explain his role better and with more nuance than me). I don't see a point in conflating socio-cultural and religious issues, just because Saudi royal family uses bogus religious justification to silence their critics, including scholars by the way, doesn't mean that their actions are actually justified by religion.Because a large part of its existence has been communicated through religious indoctrination and from authority figures representing the religion.
'Member when Audioboxer was stanning hard for Neo Nazi and all around cuntbag Count Dankula?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
It attracted too much attention from Muslims when they saw me with a boy, at a bar, and other activities that Muslims (especially women) don't usually engage in. I was constantly judged and shamed by people in the Arab Muslim community when they were able to identify me in those situations, so I just wanted to look less visible.
It's also selfish when hijab wearing Muslims don't protect and speak out against their community for shaming those who don't wear the hijab. As someone who was a house barred victim, I had no one from the Muslim community help me when I was suffering from abuse from my parents. To this day I am excommunicated from the Yemeni-American community in New York, and will be referred to as the woman who shamed her family for removing the hijab and leaving home.
So much domestic violence happens because of a piece of cloth. When I start seeing more hijab wearing Muslims advocating for non-hijab wearing women, instead of being condemned for making our choice, then I can celebrate these initiatives with them.
Can you read the post you are quoting? It's pretty clear what the point being made is. You can see examples of Christians and Catholics stating they are being discriminated against because people challenged some of their views. To an extent, you may have to go further back in time because we have had multiple generations of the "enlightenment movement" enabling more and more Westerners to feel comfortable criticizing the Catholic Church/Christianity. Go back far enough and we had blasphemy laws and were putting gay people in jail.
Leading us to things like the paedophilia scandals being reported on, you know, something the Church was able to hide for many years and people were scared to speak up. It didn't matter how much the Church said they were lies or priests were being persecuted, the truth was dug up and people lay criticism on the Church.
What discrimination are you talking about? No, Trumps Muslim ban or pockets in Europe hating all brown people is not the same as Evangelicals being upset gay marriage passed. All of my points in this topic are about the religions and their cultural views, I've never been talking about the extremities you are somehow suggesting I am comparing between religions?
I can't actually quite tell if you're trolling or something.
If you go back a hundred years or so, Christians will have been saying they were discriminated against. In fact, just go to America in the last few years. Evangelicals will tell you abortion laws, gay marriage laws and trans rights are oppressing their religious beliefs/rights. Evangelicals routinely think they are being discriminated against.
The difference in the West, largely speaking, is it has been normalized to criticise Christianity/Catholicism because we've had generations of doing so. Not that that doesn't stop some Conservative Christians or Catholics stating they're being discriminated against.
If you're going to start talking about racism or Trumps Muslim ban, then those clear cut cases of genuine discrimination have nothing to do with me challenging religious texts, cultural views and male dominance.
Um, there're no authority figures in Islam, you have scholars, but 95% of Muslims wouldn't be able to name one (or their madhhab for that matter), and no, imam in a local mosque isn't a relegious authority, just a guy who can recite Quran, read Arabic and has a little training in Muslim theology. There's no equivalent of Pope in Islam (ayatollah is close, but Shias of the forum can explain his role better and with more nuance than me). I don't see a point in conflating socio-cultural and religious issues, just because Saudi royal family uses bogus religious justification to silence their critics, including scholars by the way, doesn't mean that their actions are actually justified by religion.
What are you talking about? I don't know what relevance this has.
This post is just disgusting. Completely downplaying the existence of Islamaphobia is western society. Fucking insane. It really just tells me everything I need to know. Carry on ranting about Islam, young Dawkins. Passionate badass collecting scalps. LOL. The way you see your self is so sad.
JFC. Why are we tolerating someone repeating vile racist alt right talking points?
Its damned bizarre that someone who completely downplays the existence of Islamaphobia in western society as if it does not exist at all, is allowed on these message boards.
We literally have a guy here excusing racism, claiming its just something people claim and Islamaphobia is not a big deal at all. This tells you everything you need to know.
Nothing to do with you? LOL. You are ranting and raving about Muslims non stop. Not just in this thread. You contribute to Islamaphobia. Nothing to do with you. Straight up delusional. Taking scalps. LMAO. Those are some sad responses.
I think you made the right decision. Also I'm very sorry to hear of the issues you faced. I agree with you that more Muslim women (and men) should support those who choose to stop wearing it, but as with life in general, too many people these days are sad, judgemental and petty, and feel the need to put others down in order to make themselves feel better or more superior. It's a sad and sorry thing. Just take solace in knowing that those people probably have their own set of issues they're dealing with, hence they are the way they are.
Ironically in my family it was the polar opposite. My parents would actually pressure my sisters to stop wearing the hijab, because they felt that post 9/11 it made them too much of a target for bigotry, racism and even potential hate crimes.
On your last note, your support of those who choose to wear the hijab should ideally not be on the condition that more people support those who choose not to wear one. One wrong doesn't justify another, and just because others did not support you in your decision to stop wearing the hijab, it doesn't mean you should stop supporting those who make a decision to start wearing one. That only lends to a cycle of a lack of support that ultimately lends to more pain, loss or suffering for more people. The more moral support for either decision among committees, the better.
He is not excusing racism. Obviously there's some inter-poster history relating other threads in the past that I ain't getting into, but it's pretty clear cut in this thread that he is differentiating between Muslims as people and certain aspects of Muslim communities customs.
You can tell him he's wrong if you think so but repeatedly posting he's an anti-islamic bigot is obviously a attempt to get the mods to ban him. And that would be an interesting turn of events when the only Muslim woman in this thread seems to say she doesn't wear the Hijab for reasons that aren't too far off what Audioboxer is describing.
It attracted too much attention from Muslims when they saw me with a boy, at a bar, and other activities that Muslims (especially women) don't usually engage in. I was constantly judged and shamed by people in the Arab Muslim community when they were able to identify me in those situations, so I just wanted to look less visible.
It's also selfish when hijab wearing Muslims don't protect and speak out against their community for shaming those who don't wear the hijab. As someone who was a house barred victim, I had no one from the Muslim community help me when I was suffering from abuse from my parents. To this day I am excommunicated from the Yemeni-American community in New York, and will be referred to as the woman who shamed her family for removing the hijab and leaving home.
So much domestic violence happens because of a piece of cloth. When I start seeing more hijab wearing Muslims advocating for non-hijab wearing women, instead of being condemned for making our choice, then I can celebrate these initiatives with them.
just dropping some facts to give ppl some perspective
for the majority of women born in Islamic societies (you know where %99 of worlds Muslim populations actually live in), you are expected/advised/forced to wear the hijab, you don't have the luxury of choosing not to wear it.
the repercussions of not wearing include being ashamed, being cast out by your community, being beaten, being jailed.
the only places where Muslim born women have right choose not to wear the hijab, are either in the west or in secularized countries (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, etc)
this lady like a lot of muslim women living in the west made hijab part of her religious & cultural identity and want to express herself this way, all the power to her. yet this doesn't change the fact that hijab is a symbol of oppression and a tool for patriarchal control for hundreds of millions of women in Islamic societies.
Why is it soo touchy for you to discuss with me your own modesty dressing as a man? What hits a nerve when I discuss that with you? It's clothing, it shouldn't be that hard for you to discuss with me and let me know if you yourself would wear clothing that covers your head and/or hair 24/7 and if not, why not?
just dropping some facts to give ppl some perspective
for the majority of women born in Islamic societies (you know where %99 of worlds Muslim populations actually live in), you are expected/advised/forced to wear the hijab, you don't have the luxury of choosing not to wear it.
the repercussions of not wearing include being ashamed, being cast out by your community, being beaten, being jailed.
the only places where Muslim born women have right choose not to wear the hijab, are either in the west or in secularized countries (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Bosnia, etc)
this lady like a lot of muslim women living in the west made hijab part of her religious & cultural identity and want to express herself this way, all the power to her. yet this doesn't change the fact that hijab is a symbol of oppression and a tool for patriarchal control for hundreds of millions of women in Islamic societies.
To be clear, I am not in support of when Muslim women don't wear hijab. I'm just calling you out on this false info. According to the religion they are sinful and there's no two ways about it, but they are our beloved sisters and by no means are they outside the fold of Islam.They should be told in no uncertain terms that they're doing wrong and encouraged with love and compassion to wear the hijab. At the time of the early Muslims there were women that weren't wearing hijab in public and they weren't punished or forced to wear it.
To be clear, I am not in support of when Muslim women don't wear hijab. I'm just calling you out on this false info. According to the religion they are sinful and there's no two ways about it, but they are our beloved sisters and by no means are they outside the fold of Islam.They should be told in no uncertain terms that they're doing wrong and encouraged with love and compassion to wear the hijab. At the time of the early Muslims there were women that weren't wearing hijab in public and they weren't punished or forced to wear it.