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Squadron 42 Beta has been delayed by another 3 months
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Throwback to the thread earlier in the week when everyone lied and said they didn't want devs to crunch.
I absolutely don't want devs to crunch, I also don't want them to scam people, however.
Pushing a release a quarter for QA isn't uncommon in the industry, but S42 is a real mess at this point.
I'm buying it when it comes out, as long as the reviews are not dire, but I do feel bad for the devs stuck in their death march up in Manchester.
When you look at their roadmap, it reads like they are mostly still in level construction, and it's pretty stunning that they've not got a single chunk of the game to near-final yet.
I can only assume their tooling is abysmal.
I'm buying it when it comes out, as long as the reviews are not dire, but I do feel bad for the devs stuck in their death march up in Manchester.
When you look at their roadmap, it reads like they are mostly still in level construction, and it's pretty stunning that they've not got a single chunk of the game to near-final yet.
I can only assume their tooling is abysmal.
Bold prediction, it won't be out until well after the ten year anniversary of their kickstarter.
I like the idea of star citizen but it has been quite ridiculous and is getting even more ridiculous with all of the delays. I bet they delay it even further to add RT or something.
- October 2016
We're going from long tough development territory to "are they just delivering the bare minimum thats believable to string people along perpetually and get shit tons of money"
Maybe this is how long a games takes to make when the developers get to go home at night?
I backed mainly for S42, and I'll play it when it comes out, but I'm not checking out every release any more. There are plenty of other games to play, and my interest petered out years ago.
That roadmap is mind boggling
robertsspaceindustries.com
In Q2 2020, just before beta they're planning to add things like
Yet most of the stages are meant to be entering gameplay balancing like right now!
Star Citizen Roadmap - RSI
The Roberts Space Industries Star Citizen and Squadron 42 roadmaps.
robertsspaceindustries.com
In Q2 2020, just before beta they're planning to add things like
Yet most of the stages are meant to be entering gameplay balancing like right now!
??? Do you think every game out there suffers from crunch? And if so, do you somehow believe this game won't have a crunch period? You're looney.
I love how I can post this video in every SC thread and somehow it's always current and on topic:
If reports from glassdoor are to be believed SC was under heavy crunch for a few years. Maybe still is.
If reports from glassdoor are to be believed SC was under heavy crunch for a few years. Maybe still is.
Just 3 months? Their internal tracker already has a bunch of of the games chapters down at least a quarter and they even haven't hit the heaviest portion of development, full production. You know the place where you find out shit has gone horribly wrong and you need to allocate more time to fix it in polishing.
Based on posts I've seen from you on this topic, I take you at your word. I have zero confidence in that "90%+ of Resetera posters favor developers over crunch" that we saw in that poll though. In any case, do you really think the game is a scam. It's microtransactioned to about 50% of a 2k Sports game, but the roadmap and updates they provide point strongly to an actual game being built.
To my earlier point, there are several of these threads every week complaining about game delays. We have dozens of others complaining about the level of content in a game. If a game isn't ready, and a game delay is cause for a heart attack, then how do you avoid crunch? Magic? A DBZ hyperbolic time chamber?
Can you imagine if No Man's Sky had delayed until August 2019 so that they could deliver the game they did in the latest update? We'd see the exact same posts that are in this thread. The conclusion is that most Resetera posters want a game that takes 5 years to be released in 1-2. Afterwards, they want a biweekly update cycle. Anything short of that is cause for endless hand-waving that exposes how ppl here really feel.
It's probably looks nicer to continually give it small delays rather than one large one. Plus it keeps people on the hook which they want so they continue giving them money.
More like this is how long a game takes to make when they've had ~70 positions to fill for months and nobody with any experience willing to take them so most of the team is basically kids right out of school who are almost certainly not equipped to make something even half as ambitious as what CIG is claiming to be making.
I mean how long has that "crouch too much and your heart explodes" bug been in there? And people think they're going to get living AI bartenders and fully crewed cap ships in this thing? Come on.
When people say that its a scam they dont mean that the director is running with all the money away from the project. Its that they are selling a product that they know that they cant make.
Just because the employees are working hard toward a goal doesn't mean that the managers and executive staff aren't scamming the shit out of people by selling them products that they know will not be feasibly implemented into the game without a massive amount of time of development and the idea that they've got infinite resources to maintain development forever.
the road map is not a guarantee so all this does is buy them short term good will among backers because they have been "transparent"
fast forward several months from now and i bet they will delay it again. kicking the can down the road.
fast forward several months from now and i bet they will delay it again. kicking the can down the road.
I don't get, don't they just release everything they have done every month or so? Isn't the game like just any other early acess game?
The excuse not to do that for the single player part of the game was because they didn't want Chris Roberts grand story be spoiled by a half baked game, instead falling back to the whole "It'll release when its done" line. Of course now they want to release a "beta" (Have they even mentioned what a beta even means in this context?) of the game in late 2020. Your guess is a good as mine as to why they are doing this instead of toeing the old line, I'm guessing its because of funding.
No "must" about it. Senua's sacrifice has better mocap and facial animations than what theyve shown from SQ42 and that was released two fucking years ago by a much smaller team.
I think the SC criticism is good because it should fuel them to work hard to accomplish their goals. But on the other side, they really are inventing something that's never been done. Criticising delays for something thats never been done comes across as ignorant and unreasonable to me. Are we critical of NASA for not putting a man on MARS? They have wanted to for years (far longer than SC existence), and are making progress. Basically, as long as the funding happens, eventually it will be accomplished. So we can be snarky about it on internet forums, or just be patient and be happy for those really into it right now regardless of current status and progress. A little criticism is probably good to keep them honest though. SC isn't really a major accomplishment for humanity like a man on Mars would be.
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People who say shit like "Star Citizen is a money laundering operation" should be ignored. However, saying SC is a scam is not inaccurate because Roberts promised the moon when he should know good and well the moon isn't achievable.
But isn't the campaign supposed to be released in chapters? At least that's what I seem to remember, from when I followed it a while back. And does that mean the beta is a sample of chapter 1?
The whole "is never been done" and "development is hard" are excuses that the dwindling fanbase keep using. I can get into a space ship right now, lift off from the planet, initiate a warpdrive, jump into another system, fight off a bunch of space pirates, FTL to a station, sell off my cargo, get back into my ship, fly to another planet, land and gather some resources.
In not just one game, in at least 2. Elite Dangerous and No Man Sky. Both of which, took a whole lot more level headed way of developing their game than CIG
Original release for SQ42 was supposed to be 2014. SQ42 was the original pitch for SC; the persistent universe that is now the focus was something they pivoted to after they realised it brought in more money.
I like to compare it to space X, their active test program began in late 2012 for reusable rocket started around the same time SC had it's kickstarter.
And with their current Starhopper test it now feel like we are closer to getting on mars than we are from Star Citizen release.
All the criticism ever done was never enough to prevent incredibly optimistic estimates for everything they ever announced ( but it did finaly got us to see those proper roadmap ). For years Squadron 42 was supposed to be ready "the next year", years later it's hard to think it wasn't lies for the sake of PR.
We both know SC is attempting something far more complex, detailed, and rich than what those 2 games do.
Not right now it isn't. "Attempting" is not good enough. Maybe in a future where both of these stop production and SC gets another 10 years of development on top of them.
As for visual quality, let me bring out my favorite FFXIV 1.0 GDC quote
Star citizen's development is 3 for 3 in the cardinal sins of failed MMO development according to the guys that successfully turned around one of the biggest failures in gaming history into one of the most successful MMOs in the market.
I contributed like a moron. Thinking more clearly, even the best studios wouldn't attempt to make a fully featured space sim single-player game AND an MMO with as many 'features' as they've laid out. It's just not feasible and it seems like they're burning through money so fast that they have no choice but to sell ships for thousands of dollars and have $200+ dinners with the 'fans'.
Star Citizen as currently constructed isn't so much a "game" or even "part of a game" as it is a really expensive series of tech demos.
Like they aren't even within a galaxy's breadth of even the hint of anything that can be called a cohesive "product" at this stage of development. The difference between what they have now and what they're roadmapping for is about the difference between a basic generic platformer prototype written in Game Maker in two hours and Ori and the Blind Forest.
