Heck CIG has even shown up to small claims court to put down some of the heavier spenders attempts at getting a refund. That's what happened to some guy last year who had spent $4.5k on the game and wanted out.
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Squadron 42 Beta has been delayed by another 3 months
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LOL at using strong language to deflect that ppl here whine constantly about game delays and never consider the relationship between meeting deadlines and crunch. It's not just a few thread titles, but maybe you're new.
They've been telling their developers the game has a 2 year deadline, for the last 7 years running. If you think that's a good recipe for avoiding crunch, I don't know what to say.
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CIG has always been crunching. Maybe they are crunching less now given that they've pretty much cut down on their usual second half of the year media tour where they would crunch for the game shows to push out a demo that wasn't at all indicative of the state of the game. But I can guarantee you that they still crunch and its more noticeable toward the end of the year since thats usually the time where they set up the "Jesus Patch" thats supposed to fix all the problems of the game before stripping it up and relegating a bunch of its points to the year after.
It wasn't that long ago that CIG had basically everyone hands on deck to try and push out an update that was half baked on the fucking 23rd of December.
It doesn't really matter what they're telling their devs, it only matters if they're actually crunching. MasterOfMagnet suggests that they have been, but I've seen the opposite problem. CIG operates like there is no real deadline and constantly adding features, which further exacerbates the problem.
Well how long should you be able to get refunds on a crowdfunded project? For Steam it is two hours max and GOG pays your refund in their own store credit.
Despite neither necessarily having any work put into that game. With PS4 you have no refunds.
Cloud Imperium handed out refunds until the big 3.X Alpha version development leap in early 2018 with planetary technology. You had up to five years to ask your money back which I think is fair in comparison.
Especially when you bought into resourcing a crowdfunded game project which can either deliver whatever was it to you in the first place or not. Not into an investment or pre-order.
Sure I doubt anyone guessed the various troubles but they werent't either promising that people who worked as leads on Crysis 3 would by the way be making these games from 2015 on.
Kotaku already did an incredibly well sourced article.
They might as well gather information and wait for the post mortem.
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They are definitely crunching.
Post mortem would come after release, where this is a shambling zombie that will avoid both dying or releasing.
Delaying the beta release is not proof that they aren't crunching btw, God of War had to delay the release date because they couldnt meet even while crunching.
Also, it isn't even commented as a reason why it's delayed from the devs at all.
Also, it isn't even commented as a reason why it's delayed from the devs at all.
To be fair, even Sony offered refunds when some game was delayed (I think it was South Park).
It's weird because I've seen and been a part of so many scam kickstarters that I just consider it gambling now. But this is a kickstarter that is in scam territory but somehow is still in business and has hundreds of millions of dollars behind it, which makes it actually seem reasonable that you could get your money back somehow even if it's probably been long spent.
Given that crowdfunders didn't get a long term bank account from Cloud Imperium Games but helped to make and shape the company that was released upon the world I do not think there is that much to blame. At least anyone involved. Or at least none other than those who made pledges to get the project over the minimum line and in action. Maybe they should pay those who are in agony.
Kickstarter type of crowdfunding is quite horribly risky as you get nothing by default. Yet is has potentially brought myself and others games like Kingdom Come: Deliverance, a Czech national romantic medieval RPG and Squadron 42, potential resurrection of space war opera. Which are not exactly your usual game projects available for purchase elsewhere eventually.
CIG at least has put those dollars gathered into fueling passions of their talented workers who only began to have effect during the great European transformation of CIG in 2014-2016. I wouldn't say scam is the proper word to describe that process of employing hundreds of people since is easy to forget the difficulties it took for a crowdfunded game studio to even become much a game studio in terms of talent. And now they are employing Cryengine masters which was never promised.
No, I think it's much more likely that you've fundamentally misunderstood both what's happening at Star Citizen and the nature of the crunch debate. To the point that you're muddying the waters of a serious issue because you're so desperate to not drown in this argument but all you have left are straws. But hey, maybe you're new.
It's getting incredibly hard trying to believe you're arguing in good faith at all, because Roberts promised refunds in case of non-delivery and then tried to weasel out of honoring that promise. This is, like, a matter of public record, you can't spin it.
I would be interested to see that oath. Or how legally binding document it makes given the nature of crowdfunding where you are not owned about anything. The gameless again shall not have a game while the only refund any backer is offered is a broken dream.
'Chris Roberts' promised a minimum viable product in the game client contractual lingo and released 3.X-versions upon the world. I am glad he didn't stop there. Or when the first troubles began given the fruitful expansion to Europe that followed.
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I'm sure it will get delayed again. I point this out in almost every Star Citizen thread, but the project has been horribly mismanaged and I think is probably is a scam. You shouldn't sell jpegs of ships for thousands of dollars before there's even a game to play with them.
Elite Dangerous released, has had expansions with another coming this year, and many other updates.
In the time since SC's Kickstarter Shemue 3 was announced, kick-started, and will come out this year. We have had two Smash Bros. games. Final Fantasy 7 Remake (part 1 that is) comes out early next year.
Yet it seems CIG has little progress to show for it all. SC is a scam and the only way to convince me otherwise is when the game comes out.
Elite Dangerous released, has had expansions with another coming this year, and many other updates.
In the time since SC's Kickstarter Shemue 3 was announced, kick-started, and will come out this year. We have had two Smash Bros. games. Final Fantasy 7 Remake (part 1 that is) comes out early next year.
Yet it seems CIG has little progress to show for it all. SC is a scam and the only way to convince me otherwise is when the game comes out.
they removed so much stuff from the roadmap its not even funny anymore
Little progress? I mean if it had little progress I wouldn't be able to play the game. It has full fledged modes already part way in it. It's not some pipe dream that doesn't exist. It very much exists.
If Steam took your money in exchange for something whose alpha only showed up 5 years later, I'd probably call their refund window a bit short
'it has full fledged modes already part way in it' about a $200mil game developed over 7 years is one of the funniest lines itt so far.
*something related to star citizen gets delayed again*
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tbh, S42 looked fucking fantastic. I mean honestly I would rather have a finished product than a rushed one, but cmon now, don't announce something centuries before it even touches the market.
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tbh, S42 looked fucking fantastic. I mean honestly I would rather have a finished product than a rushed one, but cmon now, don't announce something centuries before it even touches the market.
Its at about 285 million dollars right now. Its i think the most expensive game in all of gaming history
I did stumble onto this article:
This was written in 2015. 4 years ago. A time some people claim development had barely started, and it was already at the stage where we had interviews on feature creep, missed dates, and mismanagement.
This was written in 2015. 4 years ago. A time some people claim development had barely started, and it was already at the stage where we had interviews on feature creep, missed dates, and mismanagement.
Yep.
Some of the backers go to such lengths to explain away the deadlines and release dates that CR and CIG themselves set.
How dare people be upset about poor expectation management. Because it's the players fault that those deadlines and release schedules were set up in the first place right? So any disappointment when they aren't met is unjustified because we as players created this problem.
Wait, no, that makes no sense.
Maybe we should indeed be responding as we are at Chris Roberts and his continued failure to either run his operation smoothly, set reasonable, deadlines control the scope of his project or probably all of the above.
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Roberts hasn't respected a single deadline in all his career, you're not expecting him to compromise his vision and utopia with such trivial matters now, do you?
There's a reason the industry wants nothing to do with him
This quote from Ken Lord, the subject of the piece, is so on point I can't believe it: "They didn't just figure out how to sell DLC for a game that didn't yet exist, they figured out how to sell scope creep itself."
That's like a perfect summation of what it feels like hearing about star citizen currently.
"No one at Origin had much time to bask in the rapturous reception accorded to Wingleader at the 1990 Summer Consumer Electronics Show. Their end-of-September deadline for shipping the game was now barely three months away, and there remained a daunting amount of work to be done.
At the beginning of July, executive producer Dallas Snell called the troops together to tell them that crunch time was beginning in earnest; everyone would need to work at least 55 hours per week from now on. Most of the people on the project only smiled bemusedly at the alleged news flash. They were already working those kinds of hours, and knew all too well that a 55-hour work week would probably seem like a part-timer's schedule before all was said and done.
At the beginning of August, Snell unceremoniously booted Chris Roberts, the project's founder, from his role as co-producer, leaving him with only the title of director. Manifesting a tendency anyone familiar with his more recent projects will immediately recognize, Roberts had been causing chaos on the team by approving seemingly every suggested addition or enhancement that crossed his desk. Snell, the brutal pragmatist in this company full of dreamers, appointed himself as Warren Spector's new co-producer. His first action was to place a freeze on new features in favor of getting the game that currently existed finished and out the door."
At the beginning of July, executive producer Dallas Snell called the troops together to tell them that crunch time was beginning in earnest; everyone would need to work at least 55 hours per week from now on. Most of the people on the project only smiled bemusedly at the alleged news flash. They were already working those kinds of hours, and knew all too well that a 55-hour work week would probably seem like a part-timer's schedule before all was said and done.
At the beginning of August, Snell unceremoniously booted Chris Roberts, the project's founder, from his role as co-producer, leaving him with only the title of director. Manifesting a tendency anyone familiar with his more recent projects will immediately recognize, Roberts had been causing chaos on the team by approving seemingly every suggested addition or enhancement that crossed his desk. Snell, the brutal pragmatist in this company full of dreamers, appointed himself as Warren Spector's new co-producer. His first action was to place a freeze on new features in favor of getting the game that currently existed finished and out the door."
Ouch. I feel really bad for that guy. Hopefylly this story deters some people who will get sucked into this project most likely to fail by spring 21.
I think the only thing that will end up turning its most die hard fans against this game is egs exclusivity
I can kinda see both sides, This is crazy how much it's delayed and what should have been out by now
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A game of this scale and scope has never been done before not even close. There are going to be some unexpected roadblocks
BUT
A game of this scale and scope has never been done before not even close. There are going to be some unexpected roadblocks
No.
Also here's a trailer for a 800 dollae ship that they just released.