Square Enix removes offline play capability of PC version of Final Fantasy X/X-2 [UP: It was a bug; update rolled back]

Dr. Caroll

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I guess there's a defense on ERA for everything.

Stealth added online DRM and shity business practices. Lovley.
Technical incompetence and "stealth added DRM" are wildly different things. Unless you think that Final Fantasy Type-0 crashing on Windows 10 was "anti-Windows 10 DRM" or something.
 

bigol

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Is it confirmed that it's really a drm, or not? The store page doesn't show added DRM description.
 

Unkindled

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Make's no sense they would add DRM after 3 year's, if they did they must have some personal vendetta against buyers to do that.
 

Yappadappadu

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That's sickening. Have the game in my library and was planning to play it with mods. Good to know that it's possible to downgrade.
Doesn't Steam allow disabling auto updates to avoid this type of customer abuse?
 

Gradon

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I just wish that it'd crash gracefully if you're just launching the game in Offline Mode. The way it is right now, it doesn't tell you WHY it crashed.

With the Internet outright disconnected, but with Steam running online, it at least tells you it struggled to sychronize online files. What files it's synchronizing is beyond me.
Yeah this just sounds like a really bad bug, not DRM at all.
 
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Durante

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I'm 99% certain this is a bug.
The question is how long it will take S-E to patch it.

Steam reviews are not bug trackers. The community forums exist for such feedback.
Writing a review based on the product you receive is perfectly fine.
Whether it's a bug or intended DRM doesn't have any bearing on the end result for players who expected to play the game offline.
 

KnightimeX

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Maybe if they gave the game a solid sale price piracy wouldn't jump so high.
Adding drm does nothing of value for those who already paid.
I mean...it has to be because of that. right?
 

Mars People

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Isn't this the game where you have to mod it to access the Japanese voice track, that's actually already in the game files?!
 

YuSuzzune

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lmao SE is mad they cant taste success on pc like capcom and from soft. they will go epic store exxclusive.
At least Capcom when remaster something you know it will be 20€ or 30€, in a way the game can be accessible to everyone. Square prices their release randomly, FFXII whish is a simple remastered costs 50 fucking €, the same price FFXV with all dlcs released on PC. Romancing Saga 2 is 25€, Lost Sphear is again 50€ like a triple A release, I'm Setsuna is 40€, how can they hope to sell as much as Capcom does? The baffling thing is when they started porting the FF games on PC the prices were very accessible, FFXII was like 13€ if I remember correctly, than they sold many copies and went crazy and saw they could charge more.
 

Marow

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There's no DRM info on the Steam Store page, which I think all always-online games have? Has anyone tried contact Square Enix?
 

test_account

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Regarding reviews, are those being updated or removed if issues like this are fixed? Or dont people bother updating them with relevant information?


Maybe if they gave the game a solid sale price piracy wouldn't jump so high.
Adding drm does nothing of value for those who already paid.
I mean...it has to be because of that. right?
More likely a bug. I havnt heard of anyone adding online DRM to a single player only game about 3 years after its initial release. The update is also a small one (supposedly only fixes some smaller bugs), so its not a patch that brings new content to the game and try to breathe new life into it, or anything like that. If that was the case, maybe i could see them add DRM.
 
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MilkBeard

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Could be a bug, we can wait to see. I tried to boot the game. It worked first time, but controller support didn't work, so reset it, restarted it, and it crashed a couple of times. I am running Kaladien's mod, thankfully it has an autoupdate option, so I updated it and now it seemed to work fine.

However, I went offline on steam, and found that the game crashes even before the game selection menu pops up. Could be a bug, could be drm. We will see. I'm going to assume the former unless they never say anything or try to fix it. Hopefully they will respond soon.
 

bigol

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Say it with me, folks.

DRM complaints are "off-topic review bombing"
Yes, they are. When a game description clearly states it has DRM denuvo on store page and you still buy it despite not wanting a game with DRM, it's stupid giving a negative review. Would be much better to not buy it at all if you want your voice heard.

In case it's confirmed that Square Enix stealthly added DRM after release that's scummy and deserves to be called out with a negative review.
 

Durante

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"ALWAYS ONLINE DRM!" on a game that does not in fact have always-online DRM is not. Kinda like those people who leave negative reviews complaining about FOV sliders on games that do in fact have FOV sliders.
No, not at all like that.

If a game doesn't work without an online connection, then from the consumer perspective it's always online. Whether that is by choice or by accident isn't actually relevant to the capabilities of the product.
 

Dr. Caroll

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If a game doesn't work without an online connection, then from the consumer perspective it's always online. Whether that is by choice or by accident isn't actually relevant to the capabilities of the product.
It is wholly relevant when you consider how hysterical and paranoid and conspiracy-minded portions of Steam's userbase tend to be. The difference between noting accurately that a game is crashing for an unknown reason, and making (likely false) claims about always online DRM being inserted into a game is a very large one. Noting that Final Fantasy Type-0 crashes on Windows 10 is one thing. Claiming that Square Enix inserted anti-Windows 10 DRM into the game would be something very different. Steam's general community has a conspiracy-mongering problem. The way literally anything associated with DRM is handled is a good demonstration of this.
 

daxy

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Yes, they are. When a game description clearly states it has DRM denuvo on store page and you still buy it despite not wanting a game with DRM, it's stupid giving a negative review. Would be much better to not buy it at all if you want your voice heard.

In case it's confirmed that Square Enix stealthly added DRM after release that's scummy and deserves to be called out with a negative review.
I tend to agree, but I don't think the new system will make distinction between these two cases.
 

Mindwipe

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"ALWAYS ONLINE DRM!" on a game that does not in fact have always-online DRM is not. Kinda like those people who leave negative reviews complaining about FOV sliders on games that do in fact have FOV sliders.
The diagnosis of why being incorrect does not change much about the validity of a review that something doesn't work.
 

Code Artisan

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The amount of software piracy on PC is astounding. IIRC, more than 80% of the people who played World of Goo on PC did it with a pirated copy. Square Enix probably got the same statistic and then decided to act upon it.
 

horkrux

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Not sure why reviews constantly have to be used for these sorts of complaints, when they also have forums.
Imagine this was an error on their part and they get review bombed for it Lol
 

YuSuzzune

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The amount of software piracy on PC is astounding. IIRC, more than 80% of the people who played World of Goo on PC did it with a pirated copy. Square Enix probably got the same statistic and then decided to act upon it.
What a dumb statement. Three years after the release of the game, when the game is available to pirates from three years, you put a drm so that legit owners can only play it while connected to the Internet. It makes sense.
 

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Not sure why reviews constantly have to be used for these sorts of complaints, when they also have forums.
Imagine this was an error on their part and they get review bombed for it Lol
Because that's what these reviews are for.
Imagine a product getting bad reviews because it does not work lol

The amount of software piracy on PC is astounding. IIRC, more than 80% of the people who played World of Goo on PC did it with a pirated copy. Square Enix probably got the same statistic and then decided to act upon it.
Please tell me more
 

bigol

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I tend to agree, but I don't think the new system will make distinction between these two cases.
i don't think that Steam will think it's offtopic when people leave a negative review to a game that is stated to work offline but it doesn't. That is 100% a product being non functional.
 

Dogui

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My personal speculation is that SE thinks PC piracy will cannibalize sales of the upcoming Switch/XB1 ports
That doesn't make any sense, but that's the only reason I can think of, not sure why else DRM would be added now
If that's true, really cute of them to think this would stop piracy.
 

TeHi & BuSp

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What a dumb statement. Three years after the release of the game, when the game is available to pirates from three years, you put a drm so that legit owners can only play it while connected to the Internet. It makes sense.
But in 2019 who dont have a "always on" home internet connection? This drama is just stupid.
 

Zafir

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Well that's frustrating. Surely it's gotta be a bug since there's no point adding DRM to a 3 year old game.

I'd like to believe it'd get fixed but considering their track record with past ports...

Annoying it breaks mods too. Having to roll back to previous versions is kind of a pain since you have to play them with steam offline. :/