But I was told if guns were banned mass knifings would have the same effect
They didn't bank on this:
But I was told if guns were banned mass knifings would have the same effect
The Project just reported that he may have white supremacist links. So the allahu akbar thing makes sense if he wants to cause trouble and more hatred.There will be a lot of misinformation flying around on social media because the guy was yelling "Allah Akbar"- please don't repeat this misinformation until the police have had time to investigate it. A Couple of things regarding misinformation and confirmed facts:
1. NSW Police have confirmed that the man was known to them and had known mental health issues. He was apparently known to be carrying around material on mass shootings, and was found with a USB in his pocket, but no word yet on the contents.
2. There are unconfirmed reports suggesting he was actually a mental patient until a few days ago.
3. NSW Police are not treating this as a terror incident. The person was not on any terror watch lists.
4. The man was caught on video shouting "Allah Akbar" but it is unclear whether he was Muslim. He was also caught on video shouting "Shoot me" so there is some suggestion he might have just been yelling that to incite the police to shoot him.
Please remember - it was only a few years ago that we actually did have a lone wolf terrorist attack in the city by someone who was indeed yelling "Allah Akbar", so if the NSW police say this incident has nothing to do with terrorism then I believe them.
One other thing - while this event is absolutely awful, and a woman is dead, to me this is an example of gun control in action. In America this guy would almost certainly have been able to obtain a firearm in some states. In Australia, given his mental history and monitoring by the police, he would have been ruled out immediately by any background check. Because he didn't have a firearm, some good samaritans were able to overpower him with some chairs and milk crates.
It's a lot easy to be a "good guy" when you don't have to have a gun.
What. Guy did nothing wrong other than get worked up having watched a random stabbing.
I can absolutely empathise with what the bloke was presumably feeling, and totally understand his reaction; I imagine inwardly, many of those involved in pinning the assailant down felt the same. But the way he responded to that crisis could seriously have done more harm than good, and you could tell his presence was genuinely unwanted by all those telling him to "stop" and "back-off". Some of them even had to remove a hand from restraining the attacker to ward the bogan back - what if the attacker had broken free in that moment and hurt someone?
TrueBut I was told if guns were banned mass knifings would have the same effect
I can absolutely empathise with what the bloke was presumably feeling, and totally understand his reaction; I imagine inwardly, many of those involved in pinning the assailant down felt the same. But the way he responded to that crisis could seriously have done more harm than good, and you could tell his presence was genuinely unwanted by all those telling him to "stop" and "back-off". Some of them even had to remove a hand from restraining the attacker to ward the bogan back - what if the attacker had broken free in that moment and hurt someone?
My concern isn't about protecting the attacker. It's about bystanders with 'hero complexes' endangering others by adding to the chaos.
If there was an award for most practical use of a milk crate, that guy should win.
Apparently the guy killed another woman in a nearby hotel before the stabbing on the street.
Where are you getting this from? I can't make out what he's shouting.
So you're saying that we shouldn't make fun of a guy who stabbed a bunch of people and proceeded to get dunked by a milk crate and two chairs? I'd say he's the kind of pathetic person we should be memeing about. In no way are we memeing about the victims mate, you should let people have a bit of fun at the expense of bad human beings, IMHO.
I can absolutely empathise with what the bloke was presumably feeling, and totally understand his reaction; I imagine inwardly, many of those involved in pinning the assailant down felt the same. But the way he responded to that crisis could seriously have done more harm than good, and you could tell his presence was genuinely unwanted by all those telling him to "stop" and "back-off". Some of them even had to remove a hand from restraining the attacker to ward the bogan back - what if the attacker had broken free in that moment and hurt someone?
My concern isn't about protecting the attacker. It's about bystanders with 'hero complexes' endangering others by adding to the chaos.
Dude give it a rest. He may have been slightly too aggressive but that's human and the fact is this is why you don't want good people with guns roaming the streets either. He caused no harm.
Again, I wholly understand his response and it's not a rare one among people. In my work I've dealt with individuals like this regularly, and have also experienced firsthand how things can go severely south when individuals idiotically intervene, much in the manner of how this man was here.Our attitudes and behaviour don't often match. It is hard to say how any of us would react to a situation like this. What I really doubt is he ran in thinking he was a hero. I doubt he was thinking about much at all, he probably couldn't think about much at all.
Again, I wholly understand his response and it's not a rare one among people. In my work I've dealt with individuals like this regularly, and have also experienced firsthand how things can go severely south when individuals idiotically intervene, much in the manner of how this man was here.
I'm not going to lose sleep over it - the real villain of the story was caught. But this man's reaction is something I take huge personal issue with, due to personal anecdotes.
I wasn't looking for merit or to win an argument, I was explaining why I feel as I do. But keep fighting the good fight.It's good that your argument is based on experience, that definitely gives it more merit.
However the video doesn't show us how the stabber was actually subdued, and I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a certain level of aggression was warranted in order to do that, considering he was armed with a knife and had demonstrated he could use it lethally and they were armed with a chair and plastic crate.
They were still short of breath speaking on camera so until further evidence shows up I'm going to assume the video was taken just as they managed to get him under control. Hormone levels are obviously still high at this point. They asked him to stop and within seconds he did.
Happy to hear he was caught. Truly terrible a woman was killed.
Those men who stopped him are incredibly brave and I can't blame that one man for being so angry, I would feel the same after watching a murder I'm sure.
I meant "argument" in the sense of claim or opinion. Either way I apologize if I was argumentative.I wasn't looking for merit or to win an argument, I was explaining why I feel as I do. But keep fighting the good fight.
The link you attached doesn't say he was a white supremacist at all. It mentions he was shouting allah akbar but has no connection to terrorism. And he had things relating to the attack in New Zealand on his usb.Yep. White supremacist shit on the usb he was carrying. I mean it was fairly obvious why he yelled allahu akbar and it was to stir shit up with conservatives but I wonder how much the media will report his real beliefs. I know the project already did but it hasn't got the best tv ratings.