Just a small tidbit but this has not been true for Brazil in quite a while. People are mostly on cheap mobile plans now and access to PCs and broadband internet is far more common than before.
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Stadia launch dev: Game makers are worried “Google is just going to cancel it” thinks such concerns are "kind of silly" (dev responds, see threadmark)
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Just a small tidbit but this has not been true for Brazil in quite a while. People are mostly on cheap mobile plans now and access to PCs and broadband internet is far more common than before.
Google have plenty of successful things people use in everyday life, the examples given are good examples of that but the difference is that the likes of Gmail, Calendar etc are free to use. There are huge downsides involved for a consumer buying into a streaming service with full price games, if worst case the service was closed or if licensing for games becomes a problem (like it has for MS/Sony) there's no way to, at the very least, download a copy on your own hardware, it's just completely lost.
I don't think Google will have the wherewithal to stick it out. This seems like a shoddy launch, and with PS Now and xCloud I think Sony and Microsoft are going to divide the pie enough that Google won't want just a slice of a new segment of the gaming market as the underdogs.
That would be an insane promise though, especially because they probably will pull the plug eventually.
Did no one read the article? It's actually saying that the Devs that think that are silly. And to all of the people who keeping decrying that google kills everything - the response was " It's not like Google cancels every fucking thing they make." You folks on Era need to wake the fuck up and and reaaaad.
Eh, the Google graveyard just reads to me like a list of projects that were redundancies from the moment they were announced. This is a far different sort of undertaking than something like Hangouts or whatever else. Scope and ambition seem pretty big. I don't see any reason for them to not let it ride for several years.
I could fully see them never gaining any footing because xCloud and PSNow are coming from established platforms. If they're well executed, and Stadia doesn't produce compelling exclusives in time, they'll probably be ran out of the market. But I don't think "I don't want to port my game because what if Google shuts it down in ~3 years" is a particularly rational concern. I mean, even if they do, you might as well get your game on this marketplace.
Epic refunded all the money everyone spent on Paragon when they cancelled that. Google absolutely could at least promise to refund game purchases, but maybe not subscription revenue to Stadia Pro.
Basically, Google has to be prepared for a few years of slow growth while they build trust. I know I won't spend money on it in the first couple of years at least.
Just mentioning the fact this service might be shut down one day would be a disastrous PR. Imagine if back in 2013 when everyone was freaking out about consoles dying Sony said any game purchased on the PS4 would be refunded if they shut down Playstation. People wouldn't be assured, they'd be paranoid.
No one reads. Stadia Hate Boners in full effect. She called it, "kind of silly."
Not sure this follows -- porting has non-zero costs because you have to pay the salaries of the software developers who do the ports. If you're looking at potentially publishing an older game on Stadia you're probably assuming that the sales will follow a long-tail distribution (rather than a huge bump up front like you'd see with a new title), and it could be perfectly rational to conclude that the chance of Stadia shutting down before the sales pay off the cost of the port is too high for it to be worth the risk.
This is what I've been hearing among friends in different studios / teams.
Been relaying that worry to folks, including friends at Google, in the hopes that they can figure out how to counter such issues but... well, we'll see heh
Been relaying that worry to folks, including friends at Google, in the hopes that they can figure out how to counter such issues but... well, we'll see heh
because steam has a demonstrated record of creating features and full blown programs and then closing shop to go focus on other shit?
she's saying the devs that think that are silly. The devs who maybe have more investment or can't easily pick up and move to mobile are sweating it out, while she's shielding herself in optimism.
Eventually, you have to come to the conclusion, that no circumstances, bad communication, or the market is at fault, but the guy himself.
Let's look at his timeline:
Left Sony after the disastrous PS3 launch
Got into Atari when they had issues and couldn't change the inevitable
Left Microsoft after the disastrous XBOne launch
Either he
- is at no fault at all and the universe is conspiring against him...
- completely mismanages his teams and the direction of his division
- always makes bad choices when it comes to his employment
When I see Phil Harrison mentioned, competence and the ability to deliver a viable and competitive product doesn't come into my mind.
Yeah, same thing. PS had already 3 consoles in its portfolio with over 300 millions sold and a continuing support since 1994, and XBox had 2 with over 100 millions and a decade of support behind. Precisely the same I'd say
Just because people think the article and quotes are untrue or disagree doesn't mean they didn't read it. I read clearly that this dev has an opinion on Google products and yeah its true they don't cancel everything...duh, ok so what? No one says google does not have products it made and people use. But how does that convince me to buy into Stadia when you have to pay 60 for a game when gmail and google maps are FREE? Its a totally irrelevant comparison that seems really desperate.
I wrote an oft-reposted argument about how the Google Graveyard is super-exaggerated and that site that is commonly linked to is complete bull shit. The Google Graveyard site is bull shit.
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But over the last 3 months my optimism towards Stadia has turned, as Google seems to be started to treat it like they do their forgotten children. Weird messaging, really lousy launch lineup, inconsistent follow through on earlier promises, seemingly cutting back scope, etc.
I was so blown away by the tech in Google's Project Stream, and impressed with how they described the technology and some of the unique aspects of Stadia (the controller connecting directly to your instance of the game, for instance), that I was happy to be optimistic about it. But, now ... I'm pessimistic about it. Just seems like they're really bungling this launch more and more.
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But over the last 3 months my optimism towards Stadia has turned, as Google seems to be started to treat it like they do their forgotten children. Weird messaging, really lousy launch lineup, inconsistent follow through on earlier promises, seemingly cutting back scope, etc.
I was so blown away by the tech in Google's Project Stream, and impressed with how they described the technology and some of the unique aspects of Stadia (the controller connecting directly to your instance of the game, for instance), that I was happy to be optimistic about it. But, now ... I'm pessimistic about it. Just seems like they're really bungling this launch more and more.
Those are two different things. Whether you buy it or not is up to you. Whether they kill it or not is also different. Equating the two is obnoxiously wrong. Google simply won't kill Stadia because a microcosm of gamers will not purchase Stadia games. Also, Stadia has an infrastructure of servers and Edge Nodes that Google has invested in not only for Stadia but for possibly other endeavors to compete against AWS and Azure.
In Steam's early days, with the Half Life 2 launch, people were enormously concerned that if and when Steam shut down the loss of access to their DRM servers would render their purchases useless, yes.
Yeah I don't understand the defense force for this. This is an actual concern and while it may not be a concern worth having, Google hasn't been doing a good job of responding to those concerns beyond "don't worry, we've got a lot planned" while stumbling to deliver SDKs and such.
Calling devs silly for being worried isn't doing anything to alleviate their concerns.
And people bought that promise? When a company goes bankrupt, customers refunds are among the last debts to be honored
We won't be given refunds, we'll be given DRMless copies of our games. Since Stadia is streaming I don't think that would be possible on their front, so a refund would be the next best thing. They should offer insurances on one or the other at least.
Valve didn't actually say they'd refund everyone. What they said to reassure everyone was that if they ever shut down, they'd release a final version that disabled their DRM checks, so that people could continue to run their existing purchases indefinitely.
The situation is obviously a little different from Stadia because you can retain and run purchases locally.
I would bet it's part of the deal when you sell your game through steam, someone else with better knowledge might know.
Yeah I'd be interested to know as well, but do you really think rockstar agreed to have DRM free RDR2 out there if steam went tits up? I just don't see it.
DRM as far as needing Valve/Steam. You'd still have to go through rockstar's servers since they have their own system. Anything with "3rd party DRM" would still go through that DRM if it still existed too.
You've been getting a lot of response to this post and I apologize for piling on but - the real key difference here is if Day 2 of X1 and PS4, MS and Sony both said "Fuck this we done", you would still have your console and your 20 games each until they die a physical death.
If, next week, Google says "Fuck this", and you bought all 12 launch titles, you have nothing at all. And you might say this is just digital v. physical, but every other digital service has an offline mode you can leave on as you like even if their service did go down. Stadia has no safety net and that's a big deal for people's money.
Were they ever, really? With the current offerings with GamePass and PSNow, hard to think that Stadia would ever really be of any competition.
Well, there were some concerns with the "We're paying close attention" statements from the both of them.
Ugh, reminder that Google killed Trips when I was in Mexico City, on the first day of the trip when I had all my planned destinations and routes and it was my first time there. I literally opened trips and had a heart attack when the deprecated message came up. Thank god my list was still there, just not my routes.
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if google expect this to be huge within the first year or two, they will be really disappointed.