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Stadia launch dev: Game makers are worried “Google is just going to cancel it” thinks such concerns are "kind of silly" (dev responds, see threadmark)
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Considering Google routinely kills products that are plenty successful I completely understand why some devs would feel that way. I'll change my mind when they revive Google Reader, put out a modern update to Picasa, and they quit fucking with Google Photos for PC, among other things.
Good, there should be consequences for the just "try a business to see if it hits" it almost like a form of massive corporate gamberling.
The only problem Google is that companies are judged by the past actions.
I'm guessing Google have put in about $1 billion into stadia, when they realise to compete with Sony/ms and steam they need to spend another $billion and to break even will take like 10yrs, the higher ups will be like "er why did we do this again"
Google/stadia need to put there mouth is if they are serious about being a serious player then need to provide the good, they need to demonstrate shock and awe tactics, they should buy take 2, or EA plus several other smaller companies, or buy remedy, Io interactive, avalanche, playdead, from software, crytek and capom.
The only problem Google is that companies are judged by the past actions.
I'm guessing Google have put in about $1 billion into stadia, when they realise to compete with Sony/ms and steam they need to spend another $billion and to break even will take like 10yrs, the higher ups will be like "er why did we do this again"
Google/stadia need to put there mouth is if they are serious about being a serious player then need to provide the good, they need to demonstrate shock and awe tactics, they should buy take 2, or EA plus several other smaller companies, or buy remedy, Io interactive, avalanche, playdead, from software, crytek and capom.
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Surely you agree that when you're releasing 12 games at launch on a console and 3 of them are tomb raider games that have been out for over a year that's an issue? It hasn't got the History or promise of support that those other platforms had, either.
I think saying they'll kill it is hyperbole at this point but as things stand it isn't looking fantastic.
I think Schrier said he gave Stadia 2-4 years until it's officially dead. I agree with him.
Phil Harrison is 0/3. He was at Sony for the PS3 launch. He was at Microsoft for the Xbox One launch. Now he's managing Stadia. Dude can't get a hit.
Phil Harrison is 0/3. He was at Sony for the PS3 launch. He was at Microsoft for the Xbox One launch. Now he's managing Stadia. Dude can't get a hit.
I compare Stadia to their movies and tv business. I have bought a few movies on google play. I can still stream them years later.
I understand the concerns, because Google has shut down small free services in the past. But Stadia is a much bigger deal, and deals with content you will spend money on. They aren't going to leave you hanging if you invest in that ecosystem imo.
I understand the concerns, because Google has shut down small free services in the past. But Stadia is a much bigger deal, and deals with content you will spend money on. They aren't going to leave you hanging if you invest in that ecosystem imo.
Wtf about internet cafe in Brazil? Don't remeber the last time I saw one here in Rio. Is it still a thing?
I'm not sure how much of those faults are on Harrison.
PS3 had the cell, which was notoriously difficult to develop for (especially for 3rd parties). You had Kaz saying a bunch of stupid shit like folks will be glad to work two jobs to buy a PS3 (paraphrasing), etc. It had early bombs like Lair and Haze. CG fueled E3 trailers that led to hype which fell once real gameplay was shown. etc etc
Xbox One was just a misstep by Microsoft. You had Don Mattrick in charge. Folks like J Allard weren't part of the vision, and they took a gamble on Kinect, and they had a lot of marketing/product launch set backs (Tier 2 countries, wtf?). And the way Xbox was set up then isn't like the Xbox team today. Microsoft was going through a transition period and imo they didn't know what they wanted Xbox to be.
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Since it's also essentially a store that you steam from, why isn't Every current game available, available to buy? Publishers have nothing to lose by putting their games on it.
It still takes time to port the games, and I'm guessing the launch titles are just everyone who jumped on early and had something for the release date. Also consider that EA, Microsoft, and Bethesda are all looking to make their own streaming services
i get the concern from dev/pubs but if i (a consumer) was interested in stadia my games being yanked wouldn't be a concern.
i know i'm supposed to be cynical of the corporate big bad but nullifying a bunch of $60 purchases a few years later would be egregious even by google standards. if this was some start up ragtag outfit i could understand it, they need to shut down servers with no cashflow. but it's google
i know i'm supposed to be cynical of the corporate big bad but nullifying a bunch of $60 purchases a few years later would be egregious even by google standards. if this was some start up ragtag outfit i could understand it, they need to shut down servers with no cashflow. but it's google
Wait...your first sentence does not match your second paragraph.
They have to specifically made/altered to run on Stadia, can't just grab any game and throw it on the cloud.
And when they won't, where will you move the goal posts to so your hate boner remains in tact?
it does, i'm just talking about me personally. i can fully understand why anybody would think otherwise
but if i may project myself onto joe six pack consumer (who doesn't pore through forums) i would think they would enter it with a mindset like google play or whatever, you buy a game you'll probably 'own' it for a very long time
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See now that would be a statement. If they put their money where their mouth is and said they would give people a full purchase price refund if they kill the service, i'd be completely on board. That would show their commitment.
Instead, i'm left in this kinda weird spot where I love the idea of Stadia, but i'm way more likely to just wait for a company I 'trust' like Microsoft or Sony and just use their version.
I'm extremely hesitant to invest in the service, exactly for this reason, despite being very interested and curious about trying it out.
Of course Google will cancel Stadia. I don't think anyone will give a shit though, it's dead on arrival.
Me neither. I doubt "everyone" will to go to cafe's to play Tomb Raider
The way they presented everything as a whole makes it feel entirely rushed and unfinished. You have to rally gamers with exclusive gaming experiences you can't get anywhere else. As far as I can see it they are just selling everyone a gimmicky device that is has latency as a feature being it entirely done via online and no hardware support.
context is a developer who has a stake in the platform's success trying to push back against its poor reception with arguments that seem like non sequiturs to me
and if google were actually 100% confident that the service will be up in several years they could easily make a guarantee to that effect, but they won't
If you are willing to jump through some hoops, you can still buy google glasses
I personally and professionally have had their services retired out from under me.
'do not trust google with your games. they have refused to share a way to play them once Stadia closes.
Google isn't the future of gaming. This has nothing to do with cancel culture. You may want to look up the term.
Microsoft had to tough out a couple of years before finding their place in gaming, it remains to be seen if Google is willing to do the same
Isn't it Starbucks? At least it is for me and some friends in RJ.
Also, most of their competition are going to offer a similar service. Sony has a massive back catalogue to put in theirs. Xbox Game pass is going to have every Msoft release at launch and you can bet xcloud will do the same.
If you are going in for a streaming service...are you going to pick the one with a small library of games you can get everywhere and hope that 3rd parties (or steam!) don't go for their own streaming service, or go with either one of of major console makers who already have an established library, established fan bases and multiple other revenue streams to draw from in gaming.
Certainly could, but I'm assuming it's mostly slapping low cost to develop PC ports on there so what really have they got to lose?
For like the Ubisoft's, they can easily take any small financial hit.
For indies, I would imagine being one of the early few games on the platform would VASTLY outweigh any other avenues of publicity. At least initially, which would seem to be when the worries of closure would be strongest anyway.
For like the Ubisoft's, they can easily take any small financial hit.
For indies, I would imagine being one of the early few games on the platform would VASTLY outweigh any other avenues of publicity. At least initially, which would seem to be when the worries of closure would be strongest anyway.
So the person they interviewed doesn't hold this opinion at all it seems. They're pointing out it's in the back of minds of other devs.
"I have a Pixel in my pocket..."
and with that sentence more than any other Stadia's doom is confirmed
and with that sentence more than any other Stadia's doom is confirmed
I have yet to see a single reasoned argument explaining why Google would kill Stadia.
Most of the stuff on that killedbygoogle site are obviously engineer pet projects that were probably faded out as teams moved on.
Alphabet wasn't going to pull in gaming market level billions of dollars of revenue from that one RSS feed reader that everyone loved.
Google really only has one service that is directly comparable to Stadia, and it was also an incredibly rushed and messy launch known as the Android Market back in 2012(?). The argument would only make sense if they canceled that one before it started pulling in billions of dollars of revenue a year as Google Play.
Most of the stuff on that killedbygoogle site are obviously engineer pet projects that were probably faded out as teams moved on.
Alphabet wasn't going to pull in gaming market level billions of dollars of revenue from that one RSS feed reader that everyone loved.
Google really only has one service that is directly comparable to Stadia, and it was also an incredibly rushed and messy launch known as the Android Market back in 2012(?). The argument would only make sense if they canceled that one before it started pulling in billions of dollars of revenue a year as Google Play.
The title is not inaccurate though.
The fact that she called it "kind of silly" doesn't mean that there are no concerns about it among Stadia devs.
In fact, her calling it that in fact actually proof that there ARE concerns about it among the devs. See? She just thinks its silly, but the worry is there.
Maybe before you two complain about "hate boners" or "circle jerk", you'd do well to give an effort to think just a little bit.
Precisely. It's not hard at all to reach this conclusion.
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I don't believe Google would "kill" or suddenly discontinue Stadia, if it were to struggle. It would certainly look bad for them, considering customers are paying to purchase the rights to play games on the service.
A more likely scenario is that Google would wind Stadia down gradually. They would cease pouring resources into marketing and development. They might leave the store up for existing customers, but they wouldn't take any new customers. They might eventually strike a deal with one or more other online game marketplaces (such as Steam or GOG), and work out a method to allow customers to transfer their purchases of Stadia games to versions on these other online stores.
A more likely scenario is that Google would wind Stadia down gradually. They would cease pouring resources into marketing and development. They might leave the store up for existing customers, but they wouldn't take any new customers. They might eventually strike a deal with one or more other online game marketplaces (such as Steam or GOG), and work out a method to allow customers to transfer their purchases of Stadia games to versions on these other online stores.
It's silly that developers wouldn't want to excitedly jump headlong with exclusive products into a new Google hardware ecosyst- *trips over Google Daydream*
I thought at first Daydream may not have been added to this list, but no, it just had several things that got killed after it, and several other things that have an expiration date soon.
(I wasn't a big fan of Daydream personally, but I know people who were trying to make things for it, and it's a pretty good example of "It didn't initially work out and Google really didn't try that hard to salvage it.")
Killed by Google
Killed by Google is the open source list of dead Google products, services, and devices. It serves as a tribute and memorial of beloved services and products killed by Google.killedbygoogle.com
I thought at first Daydream may not have been added to this list, but no, it just had several things that got killed after it, and several other things that have an expiration date soon.
(I wasn't a big fan of Daydream personally, but I know people who were trying to make things for it, and it's a pretty good example of "It didn't initially work out and Google really didn't try that hard to salvage it.")
I don't think the title is inaccurate. That's literally what she said people think. Whether she agrees with that view or not is immaterial to the fact that the view is common in her circles
stadia is a virtual pc you can access. there really is no reason why they shouldn't have access to most of all pc releases that aren't locked behind another service.
then going with microsoft's streaming solution is gonna be a much better idea then.