They aren't going to get many pro subs then, most will use the free service
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Stadia Reddit AMA: ''Stadia Pro isn't “Netflix for Games” ...a closer comparison would be like Xbox Live Gold or Playstation Plus''
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The Xbox gamepads service is the closest thing we've seen to the Netflix for games. If Google can't promise that, then I don't see Stadia doing as well as they'd hope.
curious what their revenue will be from, commission on games?
Google is giving you games every month because hey, we want you to pay for 4k. Destiny in the Stadia Pro pack includes all the existing and upcoming DLC, which is not "next to nothing". If you just want to think of it like you're getting Shadowkeep for free, that's $35.
As for Gamepass, it's obvious that gaming subscriptions are going to be a big part of streaming in general (including Xcloud). We already know Ubisoft will be streaming their games on Stadia. I don't think it's much of a jump to believe EA Access will also come to Stadia soon. Google doesn't have any first party content to build a subscription around yet. Probably there's going to be many different subscription packages in the years to come.
Data. Everything Google does they do for data.
But yeah, probably profit share.
I'll give you data caps and latency as serious issues, but digital rights? You don't think twice when you buy a digital game from PSN or Steam but you think Stadia is going to cut you off from the content you've purchased? Google has been handling digital rights for billions of people on Google Play, pretty sure they can handle digital rights for streaming games.
I didn't say it is my concern (although it is a concern I have regarding all digital content). Just that it is one of the larger concerns I've seen pop up in this thread & elsewhere.
I feel like that's how they keep costs down (or profits up). If you don't "claim" it then Sony/MS/Google don't have to pay the developer for that license of the game. Not user friendly but makes business sense.
True, but they're the ones making the deal. They could just as easily base licensing on whether you ever actually accessed the game. The "claiming" thing has always felt like a bullshitty user experience to me.
kind of like mail in rebate. they amake the process complicated so people just ignore it
I remember thinking that Xbox Live Gold was dead on arrival. You're selling me the right to use my own, paid for internet to peer-to-peer connect with other players, something I've been accustomed to doing for free?
"Gamers" proved me wrong then, and I suspect they'll prove a lot of people wrong with Stadia. Its a different market than what I associate with gaming, but then so was mobile gaming until it matured.
"Gamers" proved me wrong then, and I suspect they'll prove a lot of people wrong with Stadia. Its a different market than what I associate with gaming, but then so was mobile gaming until it matured.
If you don't use the sub stadia is the cheapest console you can buy, and if you do use the sub it's still pretty cheap overall since online play is free
There is no time frame yet when xcloud will be available as a service that can be independent of owning an Xbox. So right now it is not a competitor
Yep.
This shit is dead in the womb. Early backers, get your money back while you still can. Don't be a sucker.
Look at it as a console not Netflix, stadia isn't selling movies
If this also provided a Shadow type streaming service where you can utilize your existing library of PC games to leverage their cloud systems this would have a lot more value. I'd use that for cranking PCVR games to maximum res/supersampling which my current rig can't do. As it is for the current Stadia model I just can't see anyone wanting this over the other subscription services actually offering libraries full of games. xCloud+Gamepass+Scarlett+PS5 is gonna devour this thing.
I am so damn frustrated by the discussion around stadia. If they rolled this out as a beta, no one would have a problem. It gives every single person in America (with internet) which will be 5g covered in the next couple of years a 60 dollar entrance into gaming. Literally, the guy who just wants Madden no longer has to buy a 400 dollar console. It's not for us, but it's reach is astronomical. Not to mention "influencers" who travel will go ape shit for this service, boosting it's popularity similar to how gaming media boosted switches popularity.
I think Stadia has a great value proposition, I just don't get why they start with the Pro version and only introduce Base at a later date.
At least I get that they want to milk the first adopters, but it just feels like it will achieve the opposite. The first adopters in gaming already have all the consoles. Stadia Base is where the new value is; once you get people onto the system they may want to pay extra for a better experience.
I doubt many people get the most expensive Netflix tier right away (unless they want to share accounts). They take a cheap tier and then go Okay yeah this is dope, I'll pay some extra for better quality.
By going with Pro first and Base only (half?) a year later, I feel like they're going to tarnish the well. The first adopters go "yeah not interested bye", and by the time Base comes around this will feel like a failed experiment.
At least I get that they want to milk the first adopters, but it just feels like it will achieve the opposite. The first adopters in gaming already have all the consoles. Stadia Base is where the new value is; once you get people onto the system they may want to pay extra for a better experience.
I doubt many people get the most expensive Netflix tier right away (unless they want to share accounts). They take a cheap tier and then go Okay yeah this is dope, I'll pay some extra for better quality.
By going with Pro first and Base only (half?) a year later, I feel like they're going to tarnish the well. The first adopters go "yeah not interested bye", and by the time Base comes around this will feel like a failed experiment.
Except the base version is free so people will definitely give it a shot. Instead of buying the next Assassin's Creed on my aging PS4, why not try buying it for Stadia? It's going to be the same price, after all.
It's not about milking anyone, it is about controlling the amount of initial users who can connect to do adjustments. Imagine a beta where potentially 100 million people could try to connect, it would be a disaster
Just hard for me to envision being successful when people own none of the important parts AND are being asked to pay full price for something that -- were the service to terminate in a year -- they'd be stuck trying to find out if their save data will work for them if they buy the Steam release.
Risk isn't something gamers are known for.
This needs to be the sales pitch, right here. It gets across what it is, and it includes the idea of still buying games individually.
This is going to bomb hard, isn't it?
Anyway, isn't Destiny 2 going F2P or am I remembering wrong?
Anyway, isn't Destiny 2 going F2P or am I remembering wrong?
it probably depends on your definition of bombing, but it's deffo something that's gonna need some time to work out the kinks and really see widespread adoption, and historically google has not been super willing to let stuff have time to grow.
Landlines have much more generous data caps.
thebishop provided data for mobile so we're gonna talk about mobile data.
For mobile data in the US, if you're using a smartphone, the cheapest you can get is (using special discounts) 40 for a line but limited to 2Go of data.
I can tell you that you're not using Netflix everyday on this cap.
Sony and Msft don't have to care about mobile data caps because their main driver is stationary consoles that can use landline for most of its use.
It's great you have fiber but it's kind of irrelevant to the conversation of mobile data that we were provided data for.
As a Plus subber....yeah, it kinda does. :/
Not an enticing enough offer at all to jump ship on the streamable future. I'll stick to my old physical ways. :P
"Its like Playstation Plus except its not in any way at all!"
I want to like Stadia. I actually have it pre ordered. But every time more news about it comes out, i'm a step closer to cancelling. Nothing about it feels compelling right now, except for a very specific, extremely niche group of users like "People who love games, but travel a lot but never stay at hotels only airBNBs, and don't want to own a console, but don't care about spending money at all".
At a very high level, "theory only" the idea of playing games streaming only on any device you want and all the cool features that can unlock sounds AWESOME. But every single little detail makes it a lot less appealing.
I want to like Stadia. I actually have it pre ordered. But every time more news about it comes out, i'm a step closer to cancelling. Nothing about it feels compelling right now, except for a very specific, extremely niche group of users like "People who love games, but travel a lot but never stay at hotels only airBNBs, and don't want to own a console, but don't care about spending money at all".
At a very high level, "theory only" the idea of playing games streaming only on any device you want and all the cool features that can unlock sounds AWESOME. But every single little detail makes it a lot less appealing.
Xcloud continues to look better and better every single day. I predict it will dominate streaming easily next gen. With stadia a far second place. And psnow a distant third.
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All? Nah. Just a nice collection to get you started. So you don't need to pay $60 to play anything besides Destiny 2.
I have T-Mobile and there is a soft (emphasis on soft, google it) cap, but even then it's not noticeable. The soft cap is at 50gb's so... I'm not sure what plan your talking about. Idk anyone that doesn't pay for unlimited tbh and T-Mobile's probably the most popular in my area because of the price and how good the service is around here.
I mean I can see how starting a new platform scratch is an uphill battle and I would be willing to accept a bare-bones launch which eventually evolves into a full-fledged revolutionary fact...except for the fact that by the time it will become a compelling product, google would probably either cancel or scale it back
Google hasn't done shit so far to ally my fears about the most central issue here i.e. their commitment to gaming and new products in general
Google hasn't done shit so far to ally my fears about the most central issue here i.e. their commitment to gaming and new products in general
A lot of people don't have $300-$500 to spend on a console at once excluding a game or two. Now at $10 a month? A lot of people can do that + a game or two.
The whole "over x amount of years thing is more expensive than xyz console" doesn't matter because people aren't looking at costs over x amount of time, they're looking at costs on a monthly basis just as they do with their Netflix, Hulu, Prime sub or other monthly bills they may have.
If I can get access to a machine that plays games at 4k/60 at $10 a month and I can't afford a new console you bet your ass I'll be subbing. This is a no brainier for a lot of people who can't shell out a lot of money at once but can do $10 a month.
As far as data caps? The 3 largest providers in the US offer options for unlimited data at a cost of course after 1TB. That includes Comcast (#1) and Charter (#2). AT&T U-Verse (#3) (which I have) doesn't have a data cap at $80/m for 1gb down/1gb up.
Ah, that is something I have not been aware of.
I'll check this out.
With U Play+ coming to Stadia I wonder whether they'll offer their own Netflix style subscription at all. Rather, they'll let the third parties offer their own subscriptions on the platform, with Google getting a cut of the revenue.
Short of acquiring a publisher, it'll be a long while until Google has a steady flow of first party content to support their own subscription service.
Short of acquiring a publisher, it'll be a long while until Google has a steady flow of first party content to support their own subscription service.
given the limitations of current tech, cloud streaming makes far more sense as a value-add - which Ubisoft is doing with Stadia and Uplay+, and MS is probably going to do with xCloud and XGPU - than it does as a service in and of itself. I don't really see a market for Stadia unless there's a really amazing exclusive lineup or something
Base game is going F2P.
Expansions and seasons cost money, and first free game for premium Stadia service is complete D2 package [including Shadowkeep and its season].
Damn it Google. I am trying to find a reason to support Stadia and you aren't helping your case!
And what is the business model of Xcloud? Fans are praising Xcloud because of their hopes and dreams, and MS is happy to remain silent while Google gets bashed.
Not post about it here, this place is already toxic to Stadia when it is facing an uphill battle. If it succeeds....
This was pretty much what they've said in the past, people just wanted to believe it was some sort of amazing super deal for free gaming. But really it's just like the competing consoles, a free (likely older/low budget) game or so every month, and the games don't collect while you aren't subscribed. You do get a discount on the games you buy for Stadia though.