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Star Trek Discovery - Season 2 |OT| Exploration is logical

Oct 25, 2017
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While it would have been a lot trickier to produce, I would have loved if they would have had the characters mouthing their native tongue, but hearing the language the translator was outputting. Kinda like what they did when Michael was talking with Kol. Would have helped sell the confusion even more. After all these years of Star Trek, is this the first time the universal translator has malfunctioned? Why haven't the writers ever thought of that before? It was truly a great scene, even if it crowded some of the other parts of the episode.
In person it shouldn't work like that though, and everyone should just be speaking English?

Usually for the universal translator it done via viewscreens or they literally hold it up as some device, like often on Enterprise or when Georgiou first met Saru. There have been scenes where you see Picard or whoever trying to learn a line of alien language for a greeting face to face.
 

Quinton

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
5,658
The Research Triangle
As much as I like Saru I was a little bothered at first that they didnt have the courage to kill him off. But seeing it expose the great lie of his species was a better pay off. He's gonna be flouting some prime directive sooner or later.

Also, yay more Tig, except shes not exactly a great actress. The high stress moments don't suit her deadpan very well.
Yeah, I’m not digging this Jett Reno character. Only real sore spot of the season for me right now. She seems to be clicking with a lot of people but ehhhh.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,588
SoCal
Man, they might as well have titled this COURSE: CORRECTION!

It's fun watching them fix issues from the first season in real time, but this episode was chock-full of corrections:
  • Viewscreens instead of holograms for communication
  • Saru loses his "threat ganglia" (this looks like a great set-up for his character and species going forward)
  • Set-up for "why doesn't anyone use or reference the mycelial network in the future?"
  • Michael was not the problem solver -- others had their time to shine and solve the multiple issues the ship was experiencing

All in all, another great Star Trek-ass Star Trek episode. I'm not sure what's coming up, but this show feels like it's found its identity and you can see it gelling together from week to week. It's comfortable in its own skin -- it looks and feels confident about who it is and how its telling its story. I like it.

*micdrop*

Anyway, tonight’s episode was amazing. Might well be my favorite yet. Doug Jones really knocked it out of the park here.

This has nothing to do with anything, but I think the number one item on my Discovery wishlist is for Sybok to show up. Not just to troll all the haters, but to take one of the more derided elements of Star Trek and reframe it in an interesting way. Star Trek V has always been my favorite bad movie after all ;).
I wholeheartedly agree. #Justice4Sybok
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,359
This season is a real step up from the first. Just the general ongoing storyline, the individual episode stories, the new characters introduced, etc. Just feels a lot more like Star Trek than the first season, and a lot more interesting overall. I do find it amusing how much they seem to "fixing" from the first season. Klingons look more like Klingons, now dropping holograms, and introducing a storyline to get rid of the spore drive...good stuff. This week's episode in particular was fantastic, and Anson Mount has been a great addition to the cast for sure.
 

Quinton

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
5,658
The Research Triangle
I was surprised that one of my roommates tonight made it clear this might have been his least favorite episode to-date. He said some of the scenes were really stilted and there was too much technobabble involved in the problem-solving without it feeling organic.

I have a dread feeling the more the show “course-corrects” for the overall fandom the less he’ll take to it. Last week’s episode was his favorite of the season so far. <_>
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,349
Pennsylvania
I was surprised that one of my roommates tonight made it clear this might have been his least favorite episode to-date. He said some of the scenes were really stilted and there was too much technobabble involved in the problem-solving without it feeling organic.

I have a dread feeling the more the show “course-corrects” for the overall fandom the less he’ll take to it. Last week’s episode was his favorite of the season so far. <_>
I feel like I like the variety in episodes and tones. Episode 3 was a bit weak though. Probably my least favorite so far this season. Episode 4 may have been my favorite. 1 was the prettiest episode, 2 was very classic Trek like and I really liked the Red Angel stuff. A good variety so far. As the show continues I think they will continue improving on the show.
 

Quinton

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
5,658
The Research Triangle
I feel like I like the variety in episodes and tones. Episode 3 was a bit weak though. Probably my least favorite so far this season. Episode 4 may have been my favorite. 1 was the prettiest episode, 2 was very classic Trek like and I really liked the Red Angel stuff. A good variety so far. As the show continues I think they will continue improving on the show.
The variety has been great. I’ve liked to loved each episode so far so I’ve been very fortunate. Next week looks like it might be the fifth episode in a row with its own unique tone, too.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,424
I was surprised that one of my roommates tonight made it clear this might have been his least favorite episode to-date. He said some of the scenes were really stilted and there was too much technobabble involved in the problem-solving without it feeling organic.

I have a dread feeling the more the show “course-corrects” for the overall fandom the less he’ll take to it. Last week’s episode was his favorite of the season so far. <_>
As I said before, I don't think what Trek fans want from Trek is what works for the average person. I think they prefer more character drama and more action. And being the main "Trek" thing, Discovery has to try to please Trek fans and those people. Otherwise, it'll end up... where Trek ended up. Luckily, one of the things that helps with being CBS All Access is Trek fans are rather fervent, so they're willing to sub to watch the show, which is why CBS is leaning on it.
 
Oct 27, 2017
692
Another fantastic episode, season 2 is on a roll. This was such a TNG episode I loved it.

I laughed so hard when Pike said: WAS IST PASSIERT?!
 
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Soap

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,783
I think the budget constraints are forcing the show back into canon with the holograms, and I'm okay with that. The budget can be used much better elsewhere like the FAR superior ship shots this season.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,819
Sheffield, UK
I think the budget constraints are forcing the show back into canon with the holograms, and I'm okay with that. The budget can be used much better elsewhere like the FAR superior ship shots this season.
I don’t think so. Pike said they wouldn’t use them on Enterprise, as a nod to the TOS nerds. I’m sure Discovery will continue to use them.
 
Oct 26, 2017
7,564
While I did enjoy the ep, I could have done with it just being Saru and the sphere. Adding the Tilly issue in at the same time could have been saved for another ep maybe with less other peril.

It also seemed to take ages for anyone to think it might be communicating, while it was one of the first things I thought of.

I think the budget constraints are forcing the show back into canon with the holograms, and I'm okay with that. The budget can be used much better elsewhere like the FAR superior ship shots this season.
They've only said they won't be on Enterprise to keep the continuity complaints down. We've already see it used this season and will probably see it again yet.
 
Feb 10, 2018
11,025
While I did enjoy the ep, I could have done with it just being Saru and the sphere. Adding the Tilly issue in at the same time could have been saved for another ep maybe with less other peril.

It also seemed to take ages for anyone to think it might be communicating, while it was one of the first things I thought of.


They've only said they won't be on Enterprise to keep the continuity complaints down. We've already see it used this season and will probably see it again yet.
I share your opinion.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,696
They've only said they won't be on Enterprise to keep the continuity complaints down. We've already see it used this season and will probably see it again yet.
Just need excuses now for the other races TOS ships, all ~175 TNG, ~175 DS9, ~175 Voyagers and 10 movies. Especially including the episodes where holo communications are treated as some new technology.
 

Soap

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,783
Just need excuses now for the other races TOS ships, all ~175 TNG, ~175 DS9, ~175 Voyagers and 10 movies. Especially including the episodes where holo communications are treated as some new technology.
You could argue that the holograms in ds9 are better technology since the image quality is crystal clear vs the more ghostly look of discovery... That is a stretch though.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,667
As I said before, I don't think what Trek fans want from Trek is what works for the average person. I think they prefer more character drama and more action. And being the main "Trek" thing, Discovery has to try to please Trek fans and those people. Otherwise, it'll end up... where Trek ended up. Luckily, one of the things that helps with being CBS All Access is Trek fans are rather fervent, so they're willing to sub to watch the show, which is why CBS is leaning on it.
This has been a concern I've had and one that was really worrying me until last weeks episode. There are things about season 1 that I feel could be done differently and readjusting here and there is what is to be expected. What I didn't want them to do is swing to far in the other direction to please those that complain the most. Especially since those people can easily be people that aren't forking over any damn money. Last week made me believe they're not going to go to far. They're still going to do what they want and know needs to be different for Trek to live on in a modern setting. So for ever New Eden we get a Point of Light and a episode like Brother then great. Switch things up. It's okay if not every episode hits for some people but what doesn't need to happen is returning the franchise to what it used to be.

People are going to complain no matter what I think. This time though it's a put up or shut up situation. If one isn't paying any money then their opinions should matter less. Yes you want more people to pay to watch but not at the expense of those already there and are coming for what the show is and the new shows will be. If Discovery or any of the shows turn into 90s Trek I feel that's the quickest way for CBS to lose my money. I'm not paying extra for something I've watched all my life.
 
Nov 6, 2017
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As someone else mentioned, the whole Saru thing was bullshit.

Like I know the ship was in a bit of a state, but sickbay was fine.

There's no way Saru would have been allowed to die, cos that's what his race has always done, especially as not too much is known about him medical wise. There would have been endless tests, research, experiments etc, not "oh, you're not feeling great, of course I'll get that knife out of your draw and kill you, totally the logical think to do"
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,861
As someone else mentioned, the whole Saru thing was bullshit.

Like I know the ship was in a bit of a state, but sickbay was fine.

There's no way Saru would have been allowed to die, cos that's what his race has always done, especially as not too much is known about him medical wise. There would have been endless tests, research, experiments etc, not "oh, you're not feeling great, of course I'll get that knife out of your draw and kill you, totally the logical think to do"
Picard was prepared to let Worf commit ritual suicide despite being capable of living a full life as a parapalegic. It's about respecting other cultures beliefs.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,236
Austria
There is just so much in one episode its a little overwhelming.
Also the balance between science and fiction is a bit off at times, as I said, it sometimes feels a bit too much like Star Wars.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,667
My friend loved her acting lol she texted me as she was watching the scene between her and Saru, I guess she's very polarizing lol

I think she's really good. What I've found at times is some people don't really know how to judge acting or are only able to appreciate certain types of acting and drop the ball with others. Overall taste come into play. The general like or dislike of a actor or character and biases one has will influence that as well I think. More often then not though I think some just can't judge acting and/or don't know what actual bad acting really looks like and confuse and mix up not liking a delivery or how emotion is being delivered for being bad acting when they're not at all the same.

Then there are those that just single her out for the obvious reasons but you can spot those people.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,900
As much as I like Saru I was a little bothered at first that they didnt have the courage to kill him off. But seeing it expose the great lie of his species was a better pay off. He's gonna be flouting some prime directive sooner or later.

Also, yay more Tig, except shes not exactly a great actress. The high stress moments don't suit her deadpan very well.
I mean, I've seen Tig live before doing stand-up and knew she'd acted before, but it was fairly surprising seeing her show up in Discovery. She doesn't bother me really, and frankly, I think it's better to get some people that actually have skill at delivering comedy if they're at least going to try and write it. Take TNG, it's the main reason Data was able to get away with comedic moments and it always feel flat for someone like Dr. Crusher.

The whole thing with Saru's circumstances annoys me. Through the whole New Eden episode I kept thinking they're being a dick to this poor guy that knows the truth, when they just up and take Saru off of his planet and lets him into Starfleet - something I don't think we've ever seen happen in any situation on the show (unless you count mitigating circumstances like the marine biologist hitching a ride back to the future in STIV).

Also, whoever the "hunting" species is on Saru's planet seems known to the Federation, why isn't he asking why they sanction such behavior (though I guess they could be pre-warp too, but I thought they weren't?).
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,474
I mean, I've seen Tig live before doing stand-up and knew she'd acted before, but it was fairly surprising seeing her show up in Discovery. She doesn't bother me really, and frankly, I think it's better to get some people that actually have skill at delivering comedy if they're at least going to try and write it. Take TNG, it's the main reason Data was able to get away with comedic moments and it always feel flat for someone like Dr. Crusher.

The whole thing with Saru's circumstances annoys me. Through the whole New Eden episode I kept thinking they're being a dick to this poor guy that knows the truth, when they just up and take Saru off of his planet and lets him into Starfleet - something I don't think we've ever seen happen in any situation on the show (unless you count mitigating circumstances like the marine biologist hitching a ride back to the future in STIV).

Also, whoever the "hunting" species is on Saru's planet seems known to the Federation, why isn't he asking why they sanction such behavior (though I guess they could be pre-warp too, but I thought they weren't?).
Eh that's no different than that one species that kills their elders at age 60, I forget which series that was. Or that other species that has a digital war going on and based on calculations estimate who would have died and have those commit suicide. The Federation has a lot of instances where they don't interfere even if the species are doing things like murder and slavery.
 
Oct 27, 2017
189
lurkertown
The whole thing with Saru's circumstances annoys me. Through the whole New Eden episode I kept thinking they're being a dick to this poor guy that knows the truth, when they just up and take Saru off of his planet and lets him into Starfleet - something I don't think we've ever seen happen in any situation on the show (unless you count mitigating circumstances like the marine biologist hitching a ride back to the future in STIV).

Also, whoever the "hunting" species is on Saru's planet seems known to the Federation, why isn't he asking why they sanction such behavior (though I guess they could be pre-warp too, but I thought they weren't?

Eh that's no different than that one species that kills their elders at age 60, I forget which series that was. Or that other species that has a digital war going on and based on calculations estimate who would have died and have those commit suicide. The Federation has a lot of instances where they don't interfere even if the species are doing things like murder and slavery.
the cardassian slaughtering and enslaving the bajoran is another good example of this
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,900
the cardassian slaughtering and enslaving the bajoran is another good example of this
Half a life is a good example since they are part of the Federation. However, the Cardassian's are not making that have mitigating political circumstances since the Cardassians aren't beholden to Federation rules. However, the "Half a Life" situation with them dying at 60 is completely internal amongst one society where everyone has full knowledge and accepts the norms of that society based on the same basis.

In the case of Kelpians, assuming the predator species is in the Federation (it may well not be in which case this argument is moot) that would be the Federation sanctioning one of its members to essentially kill a lesser species that is subjugated to the status of a pre-warp society by their subjugators and led to believe things that are not true. Seems rather draconian for the Federation to allow such an arrangement.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,900
No, they're not. They're actually quite xenophobic.
Well then it's not analogous to the Saru situation then, but I need to rewatch the short, for some reason I was given the impression that Phillipa said the Kelpian's hunter species were in the Federation, and obviously it's a different situation if they're not.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,474
Half a life is a good example since they are part of the Federation. However, the Cardassian's are not making that have mitigating political circumstances since the Cardassians aren't beholden to Federation rules. However, the "Half a Life" situation with them dying at 60 is completely internal amongst one society where everyone has full knowledge and accepts the norms of that society based on the same basis.

In the case of Kelpians, assuming the predator species is in the Federation (it may well not be in which case this argument is moot) that would be the Federation sanctioning one of its members to essentially kill a lesser species that is subjugated to the status of a pre-warp society by their subjugators and led to believe things that are not true. Seems rather draconian for the Federation to allow such an arrangement.
If they are part of the federation, the Ba'ul would be who the Federation deal with (and Philipa acknowledges them when she rescues Saru) they would have told the federation that the Kelpians had an 'expiration' date and were showing mercy to the Kelpians. Remember Saru thought he was dying for sure and it was either through the Ba'ul where it was supposed to be painless or if they stayed on the planet would die in agony. So it's very much in line with Half a Life.
 
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