- Oct 25, 2017
Wow, I didn't even realize it, but they do have the same breathing mechanic.
Wow, I didn't even realize it, but they do have the same breathing mechanic.
Yeah i feel like the writers are treading really close to Homerizing her.. where her quirks are emphasized too much and end up defining her character. I hope they dial it back next season. Being smart shouldn't be the only qualifier for the Command Training Program.
Which somewhat feels like a misdirect. But we'll see i suppose
Its like your trying so hard to find flaws that you arent paying attention. It was stated earlier in the episode that the Section 31 headquarters was a former prison as such all the signals were cut off by Control and that it had ridiculous shielding in place.Did they really expect me to care about a character dying who didn't have any character up until 40 minutes ago? Why not have the memory scene earlier in the season? Maybe show them playing that game throughout the season? Why couldn't they beam her out? Why couldn't they beam a security force over to help subdue her? This show has no respect for the viewer. Like, I'm all for making things up as you go, especially in Star Trek, but come on... at least try. Things were finally starting to look up after last week, and now we get whatever the hell this was.
Beam her where? To the brig? Where Burnham showed in the pilot she could easily access the computer even there? The rogue ai had already compromised Discovery's system by disabling the spore drive. Who knows how much access it actually had.
I don't see how Michael would get the time travel tech to begin with unless someone from the future delivers it to herself in the present or someone from the future with time travel tech takes her to the future.
I find it funny that the officers just no-sell Tilly for 10 seconds then get her to focus while the bridge crew smile because they know what she's like.I'm beginning to dislike the Tilly character. They continue to have her do things that are ncomprehensible, out of olace would never be done by anyone in a military modeled organization ever. No ensign ever would address an admiral or captain directly, especially with rambling and non-sequiturs. Ye they continue to have her do this.
But... they beamed over initially... so?
I agree with that spoiler (not necessarily the name bit)
Discovery does have a lot of reaction shots in bridge scenes.
They don't work on penal colonies, unless specifically allowed to (already established as early as season 1 of TOS). Control allowed them in because it wanted Airiam there, then didn't want them out because it wanted Airiam there.
Sorry but this is entirely in your head.
Ah, you're one of those who requires everything to be spelt out in expository dialogue. Of course Pike said that, because Control and Airiam hadn't "turned" at that point and enabled the transport block.Sorry but this is entirely in your head.
There is nothing in this episode that suggests there is any problem beaming back and forth to this station. In the mission briefing they just say they'll beam over with no mention of any problems or security issues doing it. All the way to the airlock scene there is no mention of problems, then when the airlock scene happens nobody even suggests beaming her out, they just all "Well she said open the airlock so do it, that's an order".
In fact, when they first beam over Pike even says "Standing by to beam you out".
The entire thing was dumb.
There is no transport block. You are making it up.
This isn't a penal colony anymore, nothing blocks them transporting over, nothing in the episode says there is ever any problem with the transporters. They even say it potentially only blocks lifesign readings.
The scene is already weak by it being a nobody character they are offing. I think there have been redshirts with more development. So they can at least make the death good instead of dumb. The entire scene was two things for me, first was why Micheal doesn't go check on the Barzan girl who got her breather ripped out (clearly done for the surprise 'she hit the eject' moment, though still dumb that Micheal didn't check). The second was just "Why they not just beaming her out". It defuses all tension from the scene because just waiting for that to happen. Then it doesn't and I think 'well that was dumb'. Because it was.You know, it's weird. I used to think I was the nitpicking asshole who picked apart plotholes and so on. Like, cinema sins is still trash, but I don't agree when some people say that it means that having internal consistency shouldn't matter. And maybe it's because people bickering over how the force works billion times has softened me up on this stuff, but I don't see the teleport thing as a problem even without necessarily being given a reason.
I mean, is your viewing experience really THAT hurt by them not taking a split second to say something like "Our teleport beam has been password encoded, it'll take a while to hack, Ariam must have made it so we couldn't teleport people back without her wanting us to"
Like, okay even if I admit that maybe they should have added that in just so they covered every possible base with how this plays out, that isn't the point of hte scene, it's merely the set up. I find it hard to believe that anyone who wasn't affected by her death now would otherwise been to tears by the 'well executed' set up of them communicating that the teleport beams were not an option.
We're watching a melodrama play out. The point of that scene wasn't a hard logic puzzle, it was to punch you in the feels. And I know that if the set up is bad, then scenes might not work for you, I get that, but this just feels really frivolous to say that one line of expository dialogue that confirmed the teleport wasn't working would have fixed it for anyone.
How can you beam anyone when you can't read there life signs?This isn't a penal colony anymore, nothing blocks them transporting over, nothing in the episode says there is ever any problem with the transporters. They even say it potentially only blocks lifesign readings.
You are saying things the episode has proved not true.
Dagger of the Mind shows them beaming to and from a penal colony once shields are lowered, so it's just basic "Cannot beam through shields" rule. Where in this episode were the station's shields ever mentioned? Oh right, never.
No, you'd have either found some other logic problem or else simply said, "I don't care about this character" anyway. That's not an accusation, just to be clear. I'm just saying that in my experience the only kind of people who pick apart scenes like this, especially as their watching it, are doing so because they aren't engaged enough to the action happening right then and there. I'm not saying you should have been emotionally invested or anything...watching any show is each persons individual experience and if it doesn't jive for them, that's not my problem.The scene is already weak by it being a nobody character they are offing. I think there have been redshirts with more development. So they can at least make the death good instead of dumb. The entire scene was two things for me, first was why Micheal doesn't go check on the Barzan girl who got her breather ripped out (clearly done for the surprise 'she hit the eject' moment, though still dumb that Micheal didn't check). The second was just "Why they not just beaming her out". It defuses all tension from the scene because just waiting for that to happen. Then it doesn't and I think 'well that was dumb'. Because it was.
Yeah, a single line of dialogue can completely change the tension and so the quality of a scene. A dramatic death was instead a dumb death. Of course that makes a difference.
They do it by comm badge often in TNG/DS9. Pike says they can so it doesn't matter how really. Besides the 'possibly' masking lifesigns line was just to hide that they all really dead.
Put her in the brig, which given all the cybernetics and stuff in that time period I assume is designed to not have a 'hack me' panel on it, and instead 3 thick walls with no circuitry. But that's just my thoughts on a brig. (I'd also not have one wall be a forcefield that could drop in power but whatever).I just assumed they didn't want to beam her over because she was compromised, why risk the chance she takes over disco, she had already sabotaged the spore drive, it's not illogical to think she could have taken control and killed anyone, as far as Micheal not checking in on the other officer, she just escaped with her life and still had to deal with Ariam, I don't see the issue
Have we ever seen Discovery fire phasers? They shot a torpedo when they blew up that space station last year, but that's all I can think of.Why didn't Control beam Aeriam or Spock out when Discovery's shields were down?
Why didn't Discovery fire phasers at those massive mines?
Why didn't they beam more people over to assault a space station?
Why didn't they beam Aeriam out once she was clear of the station?
The show looks great, but man is the writing sloppy. Gaps like these completely undercut a poignant death scene when it seems to be a result of stupidity instead of necessity.
I mean that pretty much describes her entire character. Her face only has two settings: Concerned, and very concerned.