I find myself wondering if people who demand explanations for things like that, also demand an explanation for the different models and textures in, say, Halo: MCC.
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I find myself wondering if people who demand explanations for things like that, also demand an explanation for the different models and textures in, say, Halo: MCC.
The ending of that DS9 episode confirms that in the historical records Bell wasn't supposed to look identical to Sisko
Yes that I know of, I've seen it too maaany years ago. What I don't get is, isn't that episode set in the future technically? In the canon. But Pike knew who Niva is as if the episode had already happened. That confused me, I must've missed something.
The Cage takes place around 10 years before the rest of The Original Series. Discovery takes place after The Cage, but before TOS.
The Cage happened during Pike's 5 year mission, which he just got back from in Disco. Enterprise then goes out for another 5 years under Kirk's command.
No. Read my previous posts. The Cage, as the Star Trek pilot, was set before the Discovery year. The original series was reworked and when the series launched the story begins ten years after The Cage.
So the timeline is The Cage -> Discovery -> Star Trek original series.
That episode was already past to Pike and was used as a flashback in The Menagerie episode of ST.
But now I am thinking: The original 5 years mission of Enterprise with Pike was before/during the Klingon war. After Discovery he will be on the captain's charge of Enterprise for more like 8 years before got promoted. What Enterprise was doing at that time? Is it covered by anything in the lore? That another opportunity for a series....
Nah. That was three years prior to this weeks episode. The war didn't start for at least 12-18 months later I think?
Agreed. Just assuming people are intelligent enough to know that things look a little different because it's filmed a bunch of decades apart is fine.
Klingons not having ridges could have been completely ignored were it not for the DS9 time travel episode where worf has them.
Oh yeah. Either before or after disco there is a series there for the Enterprise and Pike if they wanted to do it.
Honestly I don't get people demanding a explanation of that either. I always saw these things as, Star Trek is a tale of a story that is told and as our own technology advances we are better able to show how the technology in Star Trek is handled, that's it.
But after we will not get to see the fancy hologram tech 😄
Hummm... that may be the reason they may be reticent to make an Enterprise show. They will have to show its bridge and in any case that will start a storm of complains....
Or set the show in the original 5 years mission and say any change was due to the remodeling/downgrading of Enterprise after the massive mechanical failures it suffers in its return (as show in Disco). Poor Kirk got robbered on a second hand ship.
Yeah that could easily be a reason for it. Certain people will be up in arms.
Oh, yeah. I always forget April. But that was mostly because The Animated Series was out of the canon for a while.
The time period of the squid thing that attacked the shuttle is the 2700s, same century as Future Guy from Enterprise, who are not meant to have the ability to time travel, so I don't know how this future force have the ability.
Spock says it will wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy. That would mean it's either a threat from outside of the galaxy or more likely the Runaway AI theory that was posited earlier in the thread. I'll assume Spock was excluding whatever force was doing the destroying from being destroyed itself.
It is kind of strange the handwavium they come up with to explain some things, while completely whiffing on other tech like this.
The "Control" referenced briefly last episode is an AI that runs Section 31 and eventually decides to wipe out organics. Remember Georgiou's throwaway line of "taking orders from AI".
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/az2rqm/a_summary_of_what_the_novelverses_control_is_mild/
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/az2rqm/a_summary_of_what_the_novelverses_control_is_mild/
If this is the case then
Kirk immediately destroying any computer in control of a society makes more sense.
Considering how much time travel there is in Star Trek it's kinda stupid to assume they haven't figured it out by 2700, however the tech could come from elsewhere, doesn't have to be human tech that the red angle is using.
That is
Battlestar Galactica and not Star Trek
However I can see the thread being
an a.i. from the future that envolver from Control
Whenever you get around to watching TOS, check out the episodes featuring:
Landru
The M-5
Vaal
The planet where they use a computer to determine who dies in a war
Kirk is like a bloodhound. If he even catches the whiff of computer control over a society, he'll destroy it.
The M-5
Vaal
The planet where they use a computer to determine who dies in a war
Kirk is like a bloodhound. If he even catches the whiff of computer control over a society, he'll destroy it.
Yeah, I remember that. What I am saying is
that story would be too similar to BSG to be made these days, even if ST touched the subject first
And I agree with the theory that
the red angel is someone from the future trying to change the past to save it from a Control A.I. eliminating all sentient carbone-based life, also a part of its A.I. came back to through the time vortex and hacked Discovery, now currently in the body of Airiam.
I just don´t see this storyline to be the justification of different level of technologies between series. The original series was like that just because it was made 50 years ago.
I just don´t see this storyline to be the justification of different level of technologies between series. The original series was like that just because it was made 50 years ago.
Ah, I gotcha. I see what you mean. I just figure if that's the way they go, it adds further context and shading to Kirk's zeal in destroying computers that regulate society.
The way he says the angel is lonely and upset right after he pushes Micheal away after she tries being friendly makes me think it actually is Micheal.
Clearly Captain ArcherThe hips don't lie, Red angel is female.
I thought that at first but the Angel cannot be Michael because the Angel went back in time to save Michael from death. So Michael was not alive in the future to be the angel, who changed the timeline.
Micheal travels back to tell Spock because she knows that is how Spock saves her.
It's just a bootstrap paradox and is used often in sci-fi.
Google 'Doctor Who bootstrap paradox' for a clear example.
Edit: I'll do it.
Yup, it's the Leia Rule.
What are they gonna just pull out another female character that's as important to the plot as Michael, but as yet unintroduced?
Red Angel is Georgiou, lol
Well she clearly hates A.I.s.
Wait a minute, thinking about that she can be, as she already mention that she never let an A.I. tell her what to do, and surely an opositing A.I. is against her plans. Plus it would be a redemption arc for her, being alone for that much time. But she also said she knew her version of Michael. Who saved Michael in the Terran Universe?
Wait a minute, thinking about that she can be, as she already mention that she never let an A.I. tell her what to do, and surely an opositing A.I. is against her plans. Plus it would be a redemption arc for her, being alone for that much time. But she also said she knew her version of Michael. Who saved Michael in the Terran Universe?
I just finished watching the latest episode again, and I not only love the "Previously on Star Trek..." bit at the beginning, but the cut to Pike at the end was really effective. It really hit the mark for me, knowing his fate and how much he's entangled with Talos IV. His scenes with Vina later on add a lot more shading to their relationship as well.
In a way, this episode serves as a nice bridge between The Cage and The Menagerie.
In a way, this episode serves as a nice bridge between The Cage and The Menagerie.
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Hey, the huge lifeform that's possessed the cyborg crew member has a red hue to its possession signature...
I just had a thought regarding the red angel
My guess is that it's probably going to be Airiam, since she's part cyborg, it would make sense for her to be able to survive somehow until ~2700, since she's been hijacked by whatever is in the future, she might have knowledge about future tech that might help her survive until then and time travel
"GENESIS!"
"Yes! Genesis! How can you he deaf, with ears like that?"
I wouldnt mind some more OG Georgiou.
The whole storyline reminds me a bit of Babylon 5's War Without End 2-parter, with Sinclair hopping around in time.
Assuming that next season will feature a different captain, I really hope that Pike gets some great scenes in the final episodes because I think Anson Mount really nailed that role. Please don't let him go out like Lorca :(
He can't, Pike returns to enterprise and we know his fate 10 years down the line thanks to the Menagerie.