Control seems pretty aware and even able to pass for human as it is. Why does it even need the sphere data to evolve to a full AI?
Yeah this is pretty much my take in terms of 'things best to ignore and enjoy the ride' lol.
Control seems pretty aware and even able to pass for human as it is. Why does it even need the sphere data to evolve to a full AI?
I don't like Control. It seemed to come out of nowhere and suddenly be fucking with everything. I don't understand its motivation and I don't really care.
I like watching Discovery try to fight it, but they might as well be fighting a glittering cloud of prehistoric M&Ms made from dreams and pins, that seeks to end all life because it wants to paint the universe lilac and doesn't want any creatures touching the wet paint. I'm ready for this arc to be finished.
I'd be curious how much discontinuous TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are if put under this same level of scrutinyThis show has no respect for continuity at all, so just accept it or choose to view it as an alternate timeline.
They totally were, and the reaction to each of them from the "real" (this is sarcasm) Trek fans was absolutely venomous. Even TNG went through a LOT of shit from people who thought it was the worst thing ever and was ruining their childhoods.I'd be curious how much discontinuous TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are if put under this same level of scrutiny
I'd be curious how much discontinuous TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT are if put under this same level of scrutiny
They totally were, and the reaction to each of them from the "real" (this is sarcasm) Trek fans was absolutely venomous. Even TNG went through a LOT of shit from people who thought it was the worst thing ever and was ruining their childhoods.
Control seems pretty aware and even able to pass for human as it is. Why does it even need the sphere data to evolve to a full AI?
I don't like Control. It seemed to come out of nowhere and suddenly be fucking with everything. I don't understand its motivation and I don't really care.
I like watching Discovery try to fight it, but they might as well be fighting a glittering cloud of prehistoric M&Ms made from dreams and pins, that seeks to end all life because it wants to paint the universe lilac and doesn't want any creatures touching the wet paint. I'm ready for this arc to be finished.
And yes, as I think I mentioned before, having a lead character who by definition holds back her emotions is problematic, it has stopped me really caring about her.
I was gonna say, she doesn't hold back her emotions at this point at all. That's what I meant by my previous comment on her characterization having taken a sharp turn since early season 1. She's maybe the most emotive and neurotic person on the ship at this point (okay maybe Lily takes that one).The thing is that the writers seemingly realised this because she was apparently adopted by Sarek to help Spock with his emotions and she is having a breakdown in pretty much every episode. Part of that is the absolute dire stakes of every episode but I have to imagine it was also to give her something. Though at this point her stoic Vulcan upbringing is basically a nonfactor.
SAnd yes, as I think I mentioned before, having a lead character who by definition holds back her emotions is problematic, it has stopped me really caring about her. I just can't gel with Michael at all..
I still don't know how the idea of Spock having a half sister got approved haha.
This Queen that suddenly appeared in the most recent episode and was super important ... I don't even remember who that was.
That was unintended though. There was a lot of weirdness between jumping across universes. Though that might have ensured Control never got it. Terrans would tho.Watching The Return of the Archons, where Kirk and Spock talk down an AI which is controlling human society into self destructing was...interesting. Spock should try that with Control.
The above post reminds me, why do they need the suit + time crystal to jump in time? Can't the spore drive already do that?
So I forgot that Terralyceum - or however you call it - is actually in the Beta quadrant, decades from the federation at standard warp speeds.
I was wondering, if Disco is jumping forward in the same timeline, how they would handle interaction with future Starfleet, but I guess that's the answer. I guess the spore drive will become broken in the process, so they can't simply jump about at will, and will be stuck out there ... leaving it to be a new Star Trek, future beta quadrant edition, with no interactions with any known factions, let alone Starfleet.
I suppose meanwhile, Starfleet 'in the past' might classify all knowledge of Disco and it's crew. That maybe might tie up why nobody ever talks about Michael thereafter. And since Disco was their only working spore drive prototype, I guess that's how that tech disappears.
Perhaps not as clean an excise as a timeline change, but I guess it can work.
That just leaves what their mission will be out there, and what motivation there'll be to 'Star trek' around, rather than to just settle on Terralyceum.
So, I just want to say, I am on S2, Episode 2. Like right at the beginning. Right now I just can't like Tilly. She seems to be stage front thus far, and I just can't get used to her. S1 was bearable, but she seems so over the top in this season it just makes me cringe.
It was intended, Lorca orchestrated it. The 100+ (or whatever it was) jumps they did in the battle against Klingons was to perform some calculations to arrive his intended location in the MU. I guess the fact that it takes a lot out of Stamets is reason enough to not consider it as an option (but if that was due to the excessive jumps or due to MU Stamets siphoning energy from the mycelial network is not clear to me).That was unintended though. There was a lot of weirdness between jumping across universes. Though that might have ensured Control never got it. Terrans would tho.
The jump to the MU was intended but the time jump wasn't. It was merely a method to allow them to skip to the end of the war and resolve it in the season finale.It was intended, Lorca orchestrated it. The 100+ (or whatever it was) jumps they did in the battle against Klingons was to perform some calculations to arrive his intended location in the MU. I guess the fact that it takes a lot out of Stamets is reason enough to not consider it as an option (but if that was due to the excessive jumps or due to MU Stamets siphoning energy from the mycelial network is not clear to me).
Sure but they could just do what Lorca did to arrive at exactly the intended location (both in time and space).The jump to the MU was intended but the time jump wasn't. It was merely a method to allow them to skip to the end of the war and resolve it in the season finale.
Seems like a natural way to end the series but I don't think CBS have the balls; it's bound to trigger a few fans.
I'm gonna be in the minority here but I definitely prefer everyone's characterisation from S1 than S2 (Pike excepting as he wasn't around in S1), though S2 has had some stand out character episodes.
Sure but they could just do what Lorca did to arrive at exactly the intended location (both in time and space).
Yeah as I said the effect it has on Stamets is reason enough to not do it (but even then I'm not sure if that was because of excessive jumps or the mycelial network being corrupted by MU Stamets). However they don't have to jump to Terrans/MU. They can go anywhere else.Well that still leaves the problem that Stammats might die in the process and that honestly, could you imagine what the Terrans would do if they ever get a working Spore Drive and the Sphere Data ontop?
Because of the nature of Discovery, it's technology, the sphere data it is very very likely that any mention of it would have been classified on penaltynof treason by the Federation and the Klingon empire. For reasons that a single data point would give Control or another source the potential to repeat the incident. The time travel neatly removes it from the equation.Time travel question:
The suggestion seems to be that by doing this, Discovery will be erased from the current timeline. That it will be as if it wasn't ever there.
(It being that way also, obviously, neatly ties up everything 'odd' about Disco and the existing Star Trek timeline...why Spock never mentioned Michael, why the Spore drive is never mentioned etc).
But is that how going travelling to the future works via this method? After all, the history of Michael's Mom didn't change just because she threw herself forward in time via this suit.
Or do we just accept it'll be this way in this case for the sake of the plot...
And I guess that Control is doing nothing while it can't find Discovery? No, it is going to continue to amass power and take over Starfleet.It just seems like they all think there's only one solution and the scaffolding is flimsy on why that is. They have for all practical purposes the ability to indefinably delay Control by jumping Discovery, but they don't think to use it to let everyone know that their AI is trying to take over the Galaxy .
It's easier to pretend you're beaten and hide than amass power without the abilities you don't have yetAnd I guess that Control is doing nothing while it can't find Discovery? No, it is going to continue to amass power and take over Starfleet.
Yeah as I said the effect it has on Stamets is reason enough to not do it (but even then I'm not sure if that was because of excessive jumps or the mycelial network being corrupted by MU Stamets). However they don't have to jump to Terrans/MU. They can go anywhere else.
Because of the nature of Discovery, it's technology, the sphere data it is very very likely that any mention of it would have been classified on penaltynof treason by the Federation and the Klingon empire. For reasons that a single data point would give Control or another source the potential to repeat the incident. The time travel neatly removes it from the equation.
It's easier to pretend you're beaten and hide than amass power without the abilities you don't have yet
Except everyone knows now. Those are Section 31 ships but it's likely everyone is dead on board. And quit with the shade throwing man, no need to show your ass to other fans who are just here for funControl is already controlling communications, directing an entire division of Starfleet and impersonating high ranking Federation members without anyones knowledge. it already has enough power to take over Starfleet. What we don't know is if it has enough power or a reason currently to eliminate life in the galaxy. there is absolutely nothing about Control's status right now to suggest that it is weak.
It's like some of you are cpletely disregardng obvious and blatent logic so the narrative of the show not making sense fits your worldview.
Having major character development and all about a new character hidden away in an short. I don't live in the US, I watch Discovery on Netflix. There has been nothing on Netflix about these shorts, I only just found out that they are in the trailer section in this thread a few hours ago.