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weemadarthur

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Watching Season Two of Deep Space Nine and there are some episodes where I just do not disagree with the main message. "Sanctuary" and "Paradise" ended with these on the nose messages that did not seem realistic at all. Especially "Paradise" where the villain has purposefully ruined the lives of dozens of people, tortures them, makes them her own cult, and is also responsible for the deaths of many. I get them wanting to stay in their little commune that had become their home after ten years but everyone acting like she was a martyr that opened up a new life for them made me want to gag lol.

"Necessary Evil," on the other hand, was great.
Agreed about Paradise. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome. I usually skip it on rewatch, it doesn't do anything for me

Sanctuary gets across just how badly the Bajoran system distrusts everyone after the occupation, but it's also not something that seems praiseworthy. But then, realistic people don't always make good decisions (if you consider their computer models were wrong), and they certainly don't always make altruistic ones.
 

Poodlestrike

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Paradise has the bit with Sisko getting back in the box - really impressive moment, to me. The story as a whole is solid up until everybody in the colony sides with the lunatic who got so many of them killed and tortured a bunch of others.
 

Meows

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Paradise has the bit with Sisko getting back in the box - really impressive moment, to me. The story as a whole is solid up until everybody in the colony sides with the lunatic who got so many of them killed and tortured a bunch of others.
Yeah, it actually was an interesting and well-made episode but the ending was a huge disappointment. Let's all forgive the lady who held us captive. Lmao.
 

Pluto

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, it actually was an interesting and well-made episode but the ending was a huge disappointment. Let's all forgive the lady who held us captive. Lmao.
Those people should have been removed from that planet by force if necessary, they were obviously suffering from stockholm syndrome and were not capable of making a decision like that. Sisko leaving them behind was irresponsible, they needed treatment not an extended stay in their prison.
 

weemadarthur

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Those people should have been removed from that planet by force if necessary, they were obviously suffering from stockholm syndrome and were not capable of making a decision like that. Sisko leaving them behind was irresponsible, they needed treatment not an extended stay in their prison.
He DID take the abusive leader away. Surely the rest of them could, like, not vote in a new one.
 
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Now I don't know much about TV production but seems to me filming on location would be expensive and wouldn't typically be afford to shows that were doing bad or on the verge of being canceled.....just my two cents though.
 

JonnyDBrit

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Oct 25, 2017
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Now I don't know much about TV production but seems to me filming on location would be expensive and wouldn't typically be afford to shows that were doing bad or on the verge of being canceled.....just my two cents though.

Don't you know? Iceland is something you only do when you can't afford studios in California anymore! A clear sign the production is in dire straits!
 

Cheerilee

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Oct 25, 2017
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Now I don't know much about TV production but seems to me filming on location would be expensive and wouldn't typically be afford to shows that were doing bad or on the verge of being canceled.....just my two cents though.
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Teiresias

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Now I don't know much about TV production but seems to me filming on location would be expensive and wouldn't typically be afford to shows that were doing bad or on the verge of being canceled.....just my two cents though.

Hehe, they're going all out for the finale!! /s It is amazing though, TNG-era Trek barely ever left the soundstages, the back lot, or the California desert, so the fact that they're getting location shooting to that extent is just another example of the stark difference between modern TV production and 90s TV production.
 

Quinton

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Midgar, With Love
Pretty sad that Star Trek is moving beyond Vancouver forests and Californian badlands. Just goes to show how little is left of the gold and silver heart and soul of this franchise. Gene Roddenberry must see this crystal clear.

location shooting hyyyyype
 

Meows

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The Wire was a great watch just because Andrew Robinson went all out as Garak and I loved every minute of it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So I was watching The Vengeance Factor and Data and Riker see some evidence on a 50 year old picture and some girls face is like 2/3rds covered up so they have the computer can fill in the rest. 10 years ago I would have thought that was ridiculous but with all the deep fake stuff going on that's pretty realistic now lol
 
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LeVar Burton to Return as Geordi La Forge in Star Trek: Picard?

"Each of us, I would say certainly, right? It is unreasonable to assume that he doesn't know those people anymore, or that he stopped talking to them. And if he did there's good storytelling in why."

"Are you gonna see all of us together, again, in a scene or episode? I don't know. There's a lot of paper that needs to be papered, before we get there."

Kinda sounds like he knows more than he's letting on, but we'll see
 
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Chalphy

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I would welcome the appearance of the TNG, just as long as they don't have them overshadow the new cast.
 

Man God

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Been watching the last season of DS9 lately, which I stalled out on about a year ago. I don't like most of it but the good parts of season 7 are great.
 

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Jesus, is the Voyage Home a great movie.
One of the best. I enjoy it more than Khan.
Been watching the last season of DS9 lately, which I stalled out on about a year ago. I don't like most of it but the good parts of season 7 are great.
I think the Dominion should have held the station for a whole season, and ended with the Fed Alliance recapturing aftera previously failed attempt.
Move Jadzia's departure to mid season when the assault on DS9 fails
Have more engagement type missions where they take out Dominion outposts in the Bajor sector, learning from what's left of the Marquis
End S6 with the recapture of DS9, but the detonation of the minefield which in turn collapses the wormhole.
S7 begins with Sisko on Earth still, but Bajor blames the Fed for losing the prophets.
Some Bajorans are openly hostile, and then Dukat tricks them into releasing the prophets so it becomes a crisis of faith instead of bad Winn versus the emissary.
 

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BrokenFiction

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Seven Things We Learned:

1. Yes, Picard is going back into space. Strangely enough for a Trek series, nothing space-y has yet been shown regarding the new show, which has entirely terrestrial marketing images so far. Even our basic questions like, "Can you at least say if the show is set on a spaceship?" were dodged when we asked the producers. But Kurtzman confirms the new Star Trek will live up to its name. "Events began to unfold that conspire to take Picard back to the stars," Kurtzman says.


2. But that doesn't mean Picard is returning to Starfleet. "He will [go to space]," Kurtzman adds, "but not in a way that anyone expects." What does that mean? It sounds like Picard won't simply get drafted back into commanding a starship — especially considering what Kurtzman reveals next.

3. Picard seeks to fight a specific injustice, yet won't have his usual resources. "Because he's no longer in Starfleet, he no longer carries the weight of that behind him," Kurtzman says. "In some ways, it's easier to be [a great man] when you're a captain. But it's an entirely different thing when you don't have an army behind you. When you want to get something done and fight an injustice, how do you do that when you're really only one man?"

4. His quest will be a serialized story in the first season, unlike the episodic The Next Generation. "Which isn't necessarily new for Star Trek," Chabon said, noting that Discovery is often serialized too, "but that is new for Picard."

5. Picard is "haunted" and older but fundamentally remains the same character. "There are many things that haunt Picard," Kurtzman teases, adding the ill-fated Romulus mission is just one of those things. And Chabon notes the series will incorporate that the character is a different age. "He's a lot older and we're not shying away from that at all — we're dealing with a man who's in a very different place in his life," Chabon says. Yet at the same time, Picard will still be the man you know and love. "It was terribly important to us that he remains fundamentally Picard," Kurtzman says. "You will not see a version that betrays the man we loved from Next Generation. We're not doing that. But we wanted to put a character with that level of morality and leadership and who always does the right thing no matter how hard the circumstances … we wanted to put that to the test."

6. Other Next Generation actor appearances are not being ruled out. The producers just want to make sure they're not, you know, cheesy. "What we don't want to do is just throw in cameos," Kurtzman says. "There would have to be an incredibly specific story reason [for them to be there]." Former Next Gen star Jonathan Frakes was previously announced as directing two episodes in the first season, but there's no word if he appears on camera. The show's new regular cast members (Alison Pill, Michelle Hurd, Evan Evagora, Isa Briones, Santiago Cabrera, and Harry Treadaway) are not playing any familiar Next Gencharacters, Kurtzman confirms.

7. Stewart as Picard is better than you've ever seen him. "The quality of Patrick's acting, if anything, has gotten even better over time and he was already a master," Chabon says. "He has an ability to hold you riveted even when he's just sitting and listening." Naturally. Picard is always at his best when he looks … engaged.