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Quinton

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I'm really tired and on my mobile so I'm not going to post detailed quotes but trekmovie.com has reported several lore bits courtesy of the Picard exhibit going on right now at SDCC. He left Starfleet in 2386 after departing the captaincy of the Enterprise-E in 2381 (two years after the events of Nemesis). There is further confirmation that the first season of the new series is set in 2399 too.
 

Spectromixer

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I'm really tired and on my mobile so I'm not going to post detailed quotes but trekmovie.com has reported several lore bits courtesy of the Picard exhibit going on right now at SDCC. He left Starfleet in 2386 after departing the captaincy of the Enterprise-E in 2381 (two years after the events of Nemesis). There is further confirmation that the first season of the new series is set in 2399 too.

So about 700 years before Star Trek Discovery season three 🙃
 

Dary

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Been watching the last season of DS9 lately, which I stalled out on about a year ago. I don't like most of it but the good parts of season 7 are great.
I know the fifth season of B5 isn't exactly popular, but DS9 really needed something like that - a post-war Scouring of the Shire to tie up loose ends, with Sisko overseeing Bajor's entry into the Federation, but at great personal sacrifice.

The novels go some way to dealing with that, at least.
 

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I know the fifth season of B5 isn't exactly popular, but DS9 really needed something like that - a post-war Scouring of the Shire to tie up loose ends, with Sisko overseeing Bajor's entry into the Federation, but at great personal sacrifice.

The novels go some way to dealing with that, at least.
I felt the same about Voyager. I wanted to see them actually get home, see some consequences and finality
 

Quinton

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So about 700 years before Star Trek Discovery season three 🙃

Haha, yep.

I know the fifth season of B5 isn't exactly popular, but DS9 really needed something like that - a post-war Scouring of the Shire to tie up loose ends, with Sisko overseeing Bajor's entry into the Federation, but at great personal sacrifice.

The novels go some way to dealing with that, at least.

The back half of Babylon 5's fifth season is honestly kind of beautiful IMO. The thing about it that upsets me is all those loose character threads that were intended to have been resolved in future televised content and were ultimately relegated to novels. But if I try my damnedest to remove that unfortunate element from the equation? Hell of a ride.

I would kill for a limited run DS9 revival like that.

I felt the same about Voyager. I wanted to see them actually get home, see some consequences and finality

Me too, man. :/ I wish the series finale were more like 7x15/7x16 and we got another 10-11 episodes after that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm expecting at least a Picard trailer and maybe some screenshots for the animated shows. Very curious what kind of style they'll go with.

 
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Probably too soon for a Discovery season 3 trailer, and even if it wasn't they'd want all attention on Picard anyway. I hope we get something though.

I also hope the Picard show had hella LCARS everywhere.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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they already are tho

like stuff in the Picard show explicitly references the movies, as do previous series
I don't know the exact details, it's all very murky

https://www.dailydot.com/parsec/star-trek-cbs-viacom-paramount/

The trilogy, while it would stream on TV network CBS All Access, is still three movies. Potentially, that clashes with the big-screen franchise. At the same time, the idea of a CBS/Viacom merger is definitely interesting for Star Trek. The TV and movie franchises have been separate since J.J. Abrams' Star Trek reboot, which follows a new canon timeline. In theory, a merger could allow the movies to rejoin the main TV canon, as they did before CBS and Paramount split in 2005. And unlike Marvel or DC's TV/movie divide, Star Trek fans view the TV shows as "real" canon. The recent reboot movies are more like an optional extra.

However, that kind of speculation is pretty far ahead of where we're at right now. The current legal conflict isn't really about Star Trek. CBS is now battling for independenceagainst its controlling shareholder, National Amusements—which also controls Viacom and Paramount. National Amusements wants to merge CBS and Viacom, but CBS wants out. So now they're embroiled in a legal dispute so complicated that the judge actually said on Wednesday, "I've never seen anything like what's transpired here in terms of moving parts." He just granted CBS a restraining order against National Amusements.

https://screencrush.com/star-trek-tv-rights-return/

As often as we'd heard rumors of potential Star Trek TV series in development, Forbes laid out a comprehensive timeline of the franchise's TV rights between Paramount, CBS and even UPN, the messy 2000s division of which made TV Star Trek a tricky proposition. After the lion's share of Star Trek series emerged under a Paramount production company and CBS distribution, the 2000 merger of CBS with Viacom saw several subsequent splits that ended up separating Paramount TV and Paramount Studios, who went ahead with J.J. Abrams' reboot.


Essentially, a return to TV would require some notable cooperation between the now-separated holdings of CBS and Viacom, as well the old UPN rights that may have been absorbed by Warner Bros' in the merger to create The CW. That means both CBS and Viacom may be absent pieces of the overall rights, though the report suggests that with Star Trek's 50th Anniversary looming next year, a deal might well be struck to keep Star Trek alive on either front.

It's a fascinating read overall, but could the various entities get together to create a new Star Trek series to coincide with Beyond? Which, if any of Star Trek's existing eras and continuities should a new TV branch follow?
 

Effect

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What would be the in universe ramifications of this be? I don't really feel like the shows have shyed away from referencing movie stuff
I struggle to see what it would be. CBS typically does what it want in terms of Star Trek and elements it wants to use. Maybe access to some movie only characters? More control over the films and to push them instead of letting Paramount to be on their own and not get anything done for years. My understanding is that CBS controls all things Star Trek but licensed out the movie rights to Paramount when the original split took place. So CBS can't do films themselves (they don't need to at this point. Look at the production of Discovery). I remember when the first Kelvin film came out there was talk that JJ wanted there to only be merchandise for that film so it would be the only focus but word was CBS said no and that was that. So I'm not even sure what a merge would really bring. I hope it doesn't change anything really and it's just excuse to try and work on the merger.

The CBS, National Amusements, Viacom court stuff is kinda insane. I haven't checked out any of the more recent stuff but my understanding in the past was CBS was/is straight up more successful and profitable then Viacom and didn't want to be weighed down by them if a merger were to happen. They especially didn't want any Viacom people on boards. Which I fully get. If you're successful and breaking records you wouldn't want people from another company, the likely cause for why that company isn't doing well, fucking up what you got going on. Especially if it's being forced upon me by the parent company owner. Who seemingly favored Viacom and it's people who would normally vote with her.

As long as CBS is the controlling interest, it doesn't screw up their Star Trek plans, then I don't really care about a merge. I would hope people don't lose their jobs though because at that point you'll have redundancies.
 
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the only difference between the Kelvin timeline and the others is that we follow what happens in the Kelvin, Star Trek has shown that there is a multiverse. (and it's the easiest way to remove most time travel paradoxes)
 

StallionDan

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the only difference between the Kelvin timeline and the others is that we follow what happens in the Kelvin, Star Trek has shown that there is a multiverse. (and it's the easiest way to remove most time travel paradoxes)
But time travel in Trek has nothing to do with multiverse. If it did then the problem to solve in all those episodes and movies wouldn't exist.
 
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Time travel worked pretty consistently up until ST09, but then out of universe excuses could be ignored as was nothing set post Romulus SuperNova.
I mean shouldn't the time cops have stopped Janeway from changing the final? She just completely changed what should have been the prime timeline and nobody seemed to care since the TNG movies followed that ending....it's just a mess made worse by them constantly going to it.
 

StallionDan

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I mean shouldn't the time cops have stopped Janeway from changing the final? She just completely changed what should have been the prime timeline and nobody seemed to care since the TNG movies followed that ending....it's just a mess made worse by them constantly going to it.
Depends if the time cops saw the entire series of events from the altered timeline. Captain Braxton at end of Future's End never experienced being a hobo for 30 years despite that version of himself being on Earth still.
 

Effect

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Remember the Hall H panel starts at 2:30pm EST. Don't think any of it is being live streamed but the usual hash tags are there to follow (#StarTrek, #StarTrekDiscovery, #StarTrekPicard, #StarTrekUniverse, #StarTrekSDCC) and twitter accounts (@Trekmovie, @trekcore) are in attendance. Of course there is @startrekcbs and @startrek.
 

Lagamorph

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How did the time cops handle Worf jumping from universe to universe?
They wouldn't care about that since it wasn't time travel. He was travelling to parallel universes, not through time.

I think the general opinion in terms of the Kelvin-verse and Prime-verse existing alongside each other is the method that was used for time travel. The method we saw in ST09 was different from any other forms of time travel we've seen. Hell, they could easily explain it away as everything thinking it was time travel, but it was infact travelling to a parallel universe where time happened to be running a century or two behind but had been exactly the same up to that point.

Or the time cops couldn't correct this particular issue due to how singificant of an incursion the Narada made, so the only way they could save the prime timeline was to 'section off' the Kelvin timeline into its own new timeline.


There's all kinds of ways to explain it. All of them far better than the end of Discovery Season 2 explaining that nobody talked about Discovery because Starfleet told them not to tell anyone.
 

JonnyDBrit

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Or it was, you know, effectively an established part of history and thus part of what they have to allow happen, even if it means there's some quantum alternate timeline or whatever. Same way they don't show up to stop the Enterprise-C being out of place, because that it (albeit temporarily) creates an alternate timeline is part of the overall timeline they have to preserve.

Timeloops are annoying like that.
 

firehawk12

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Star Trek is broken because both the many worlds interpretation is true, but also causality is true. So they can "fix" a timeline but also cause different universes to appear. lol